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Voice for Peace

(13,141 posts)
194. one big difference unless it's my imagination between rail and pipeline
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 12:47 PM
Nov 2014

You can get a leak in a pipeline that goes on for years and
years undetected until one day you are taking a bath and
light a smoke and BOOM.

Now I realize that's hyperbole; of course you would taste
or smell something funny sooner. But probably not until
you had been drinking cooking and bathing in it for months.

A train accident is terrible and can be catastrophic of
course in a different way. But the danger is not hidden,
and the causes are not disputable.

absolutely not. spanone Nov 2014 #1
nope. nashville_brook Nov 2014 #2
NO. truebluegreen Nov 2014 #3
Keystone is not a major factor for me, really. MineralMan Nov 2014 #4
I read that thread, and there were good comments in there... TreasonousBastard Nov 2014 #12
Yes. I'm not sure all of the opposition is fact-based. MineralMan Nov 2014 #16
Can you point out what part of the opposition you're not certain is fact-based? sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #66
:crickets: BeanMusical Nov 2014 #98
Bullshit! I was away from my computer. MineralMan Nov 2014 #112
You seem angry. BeanMusical Nov 2014 #142
I've been pretty clear on all of that. MineralMan Nov 2014 #110
Yes the people use the oil, just not in your country. arthritisR_US Nov 2014 #153
Yes, as clear as tar sands: BeanMusical Nov 2014 #171
I agree! To me the result is the same either way, using antiquated energy sources. That said, RKP5637 Nov 2014 #253
MM didn't say he wanted the oil transported ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #199
The US Government has no say in who takes over land in this country for the purpose of making sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #214
Maybe there has been a disconnect here ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #218
The point that is coming across to me is that oil will be transported across the US so rhett o rick Nov 2014 #226
I, mostly agree, ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #237
Good point. I agree. nm rhett o rick Nov 2014 #238
No one who understands this issue, this particular oil, can be agnostic about the pipeline. sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #245
Potential to lower fuel costs AnalystInParadise Nov 2014 #252
The flow of goods and services moved across the globe long before, what is going to be, the sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #257
LOL AnalystInParadise Nov 2014 #289
By "agnostic", I simply mean ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #267
So in essence what you are saying is that because we have already allowed some really bad sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #271
In a word ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #272
'Little' is better than nothing. But it will do more than a little to protect this environment. We sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #287
Canada has no right to transport shit over our nation. If they want to ship it China so bad then use TheKentuckian Nov 2014 #269
True, Canada has no "right" ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #270
I obviously don't give a fuck about their plan as I oppose it. TheKentuckian Nov 2014 #282
Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #283
In the real world water is required for life. You threaten the water you threaten life. TheKentuckian Nov 2014 #285
I agree ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #286
Hoping for magic future fixes does not address the actual threat no matter how well intentioned. TheKentuckian Nov 2014 #296
Then let Canada make a pipeline across their country. nt Mojorabbit Nov 2014 #259
They can ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #268
I was just reading about this on forbes Mojorabbit Nov 2014 #273
is your heat on? DeadEyeDyck Nov 2014 #216
Oil makes gasoline AnalystInParadise Nov 2014 #250
Get a horse, the world survived without cars that go 'vroom-vroom on the highway for sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #256
I don't want a horse AnalystInParadise Nov 2014 #288
Admittedly it takes a little skill to handle a horse. Anyone can handle a combustion engine. So I sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #291
LOL AnalystInParadise Nov 2014 #292
You can't hug a combustion engine! sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #293
Well you can AnalystInParadise Nov 2014 #294
Speak to my good mates in Quebec, the ones who arthritisR_US Nov 2014 #154
Without the pipeline, less of it will move. jeff47 Nov 2014 #19
The current low prices for crude won't last, and it will again MineralMan Nov 2014 #24
I'm not basing that on the current price. jeff47 Nov 2014 #29
Finally someone with knowledge. The problem isn't arthritisR_US Nov 2014 #157
I wholeheartedly agree Art_from_Ark Nov 2014 #158
He was light years ahead and people mocked arthritisR_US Nov 2014 #160
Create jobs for Koch and Calgary, thanks. The arthritisR_US Nov 2014 #156
Don't you mean Voice for Peace Nov 2014 #189
You are correct. A few CEO's benefit and that's arthritisR_US Nov 2014 #232
This is true, they will find a way to move the oil. NYC_SKP Nov 2014 #140
one big difference unless it's my imagination between rail and pipeline Voice for Peace Nov 2014 #194
Correct. AND...invisibility of it is preferred by the owners and transporters. NYC_SKP Nov 2014 #196
That's where I'm at. aikoaiko Nov 2014 #190
Thank you very much for that other thread ctaylors6 Nov 2014 #275
Will they say they are voting for the Keystone Pipeline because the people want and need it? L0oniX Nov 2014 #5
People want it... brooklynite Nov 2014 #73
Because they are misinformed. alarimer Nov 2014 #83
Perhaps so, but it puts a crimp in politician's ability to say no... brooklynite Nov 2014 #86
And yet many, many things with majority support from the people are simply ignored for years on end Bluenorthwest Nov 2014 #118
Not if the politician has a spine. nt arthritisR_US Nov 2014 #159
LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #202
Every American I know who supports KXL mistakenly thinks it will move American oil. SunSeeker Nov 2014 #205
Who paid for that poll? American Petroleum Institute? Octafish Nov 2014 #210
Which people, the Chinese? If you think it's arthritisR_US Nov 2014 #162
As far as I'm concerned this pipeline is an illegal immigrant. B Calm Nov 2014 #6
Will obama grant it ammensty Travis_0004 Nov 2014 #36
No I am not, at this point in time I am not OK with the Democratic party on the whole Autumn Nov 2014 #7
No. NV Whino Nov 2014 #8
Kindly explain WTF is so bad about yet another pipeline TreasonousBastard Nov 2014 #9
+1. It is also described as the end of all life on planet earth. I don't get it. FSogol Nov 2014 #14
Besides the dirty crap going over aquifer in Nebraska and Oklahoma.. kentuck Nov 2014 #15
So, Kocks are bad- so we must oppose- ignore the 100's of other pipelines being built snooper2 Nov 2014 #22
Some would say??? rpannier Nov 2014 #94
Very well said. joshdawg Nov 2014 #184
but, "intellectually weak" bobduca Nov 2014 #222
Because there are no pipes over it now... bobclark86 Nov 2014 #225
Yes I did rpannier Nov 2014 #233
Trains kill people more often. bobclark86 Nov 2014 #258
Yes, but we need to upgrade our rail lines cally Nov 2014 #280
I fully agree, but it's unlikely. bobclark86 Nov 2014 #297
Good post. Thank you. woo me with science Nov 2014 #265
OK, so the thing is to beat up on the Koch brothers... TreasonousBastard Nov 2014 #30
unlike the other pipelines, WE do not get the oil, We do not get the jobs larkrake Nov 2014 #21
You're overlooking what we do get LondonReign2 Nov 2014 #26
So Jefferson County Texas is not Louisiana AnalystInParadise Nov 2014 #254
There is a huge fresh water aquifer that it crosses right over. We do not have the technology to jwirr Nov 2014 #33
+1! Excellent post. Enthusiast Nov 2014 #52
Well said! MatthewStLouis Nov 2014 #56
It crosses over a small part of the High Plains Aquifer... TreasonousBastard Nov 2014 #133
This is dirty oil this time and there are many of us who do not want the farmers etc to continue jwirr Nov 2014 #169
Thank you for this information.... LovingA2andMI Nov 2014 #70
Your map is irrelevant to the topic rpannier Nov 2014 #97
That there are almost 200,000 miles... TreasonousBastard Nov 2014 #134
A Fairly decent argument on your part that failed at the end rpannier Nov 2014 #136
I can't believe you are thinking this is ok and I arthritisR_US Nov 2014 #150
I object! I live 20 minutes from Port Arthur, Texas where the Koch refinery will refine this extra Dustlawyer Nov 2014 #178
Its an artificial issue with no economic justification IronLionZion Nov 2014 #276
Nope 2naSalit Nov 2014 #10
That is a rapidly growing sentiment Jackpine Radical Nov 2014 #80
Indeed. 2naSalit Nov 2014 #91
No, and Hell NO! whathehell Nov 2014 #11
Well beyond not okay. n.t 99Forever Nov 2014 #13
Some believe that continually excusing Party betrayals of core constituencies Maedhros Nov 2014 #17
No way. It'll be bad for the environment. Louisiana1976 Nov 2014 #18
I'm very lucky to have JustAnotherGen Nov 2014 #20
No... FarPoint Nov 2014 #23
No. I am in MN and I doubt any of my reps are going to vote for it. jwirr Nov 2014 #25
Three did ISUGRADIA Nov 2014 #119
Nolan is my rep. The other two I do not have anything to do with. I am surprised at Nolan - he is jwirr Nov 2014 #121
I read that Senator Amy Klobuchar is going to vote for it. She needs to hear from you. Maineman Nov 2014 #172
Okay. I will do that right now. jwirr Nov 2014 #173
Done. jwirr Nov 2014 #176
That's not why I voted for them. So, no. Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2014 #27
+1,000 malaise Nov 2014 #28
GOTV! whatchamacallit Nov 2014 #31
No, I am not. I will NOT forget. They vote for it, it's on their record, closeupready Nov 2014 #32
I see the Third Way pivot from denying it will happen to defending the pipeline is in progress. woo me with science Nov 2014 #34
Yep. It has begun in earnest. Union Scribe Nov 2014 #44
Exactly. That is their MO. Jamastiene Nov 2014 #89
Yep-- same play we've seen about 100 times now./nt Marr Nov 2014 #105
I shouldn't be surprised, but I am. BrotherIvan Nov 2014 #144
Naw, man RufusTFirefly Nov 2014 #35
+1 wavesofeuphoria Nov 2014 #108
No. No. No. madashelltoo Nov 2014 #37
To those who say it will reduce gas prices, Mr.Bill Nov 2014 #38
I don't think there is anything congress can vote on. They have to have permits approved to refine t Sunlei Nov 2014 #39
They stink! vlyons Nov 2014 #40
No. The pipeline is a terrible infrastructure investment and money better spent on renewables on point Nov 2014 #41
What money? The pipeline isn't supposed to be built with taxpayer money. n/t hughee99 Nov 2014 #113
The money society has, public and private. The incentives are all wrong if this seems good on point Nov 2014 #116
NO !!! WillyT Nov 2014 #42
no La Lioness Priyanka Nov 2014 #43
kentuck, I'm bookmarking this thread so that DU will remember when it passes Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2014 #45
Agreed Iliyah Nov 2014 #81
Shit, I was writing & calling fucking McTurtle and the far worse Dumbing at least weekly for months TheKentuckian Nov 2014 #88
No, No, and No. Oh and did I say NO! nt Fla Dem Nov 2014 #46
Hell fucking no! ybbor Nov 2014 #47
No,no,no,no,no,no,no,no,no,no,no,no,no,no,no,no,no,no,no,no,no,no,no,no. TNNurse Nov 2014 #48
Hell no CanonRay Nov 2014 #49
The pipeline does nothing for us, as a nation. And it could result in an environmental disaster. Enthusiast Nov 2014 #50
No.... irisblue Nov 2014 #51
No. And this very discussion is indicative of what is wrong with the party. hamsterjill Nov 2014 #53
No. I don't want my reps voting for the Koch brothers' dark money payday. MatthewStLouis Nov 2014 #54
No, but the betrayal is heaped on many such betrayals Tsiyu Nov 2014 #55
Yes and No. You have two questions. ffr Nov 2014 #57
No Jack Rabbit Nov 2014 #58
Just a rhetorical question: who remembers the 2013 Mayflower, Arkansas oil spill? MatthewStLouis Nov 2014 #59
No. Definitely not. H2O Man Nov 2014 #60
NO, NO, NO, NO!!! trueblue2007 Nov 2014 #61
We may want to ask ourselves is it better to continue to transport the oil by rail and road Thinkingabout Nov 2014 #62
Let the Canadians figure it out. Maybe they could ship it by rail to their coastline. B Calm Nov 2014 #96
Oh, yea that would fix the problem. In the meantime is it better to ship by rail or Thinkingabout Nov 2014 #107
Rail the toxic goo through Canada would be my choice. B Calm Nov 2014 #130
They can send it to Vancouver, and from there to China. grahamhgreen Nov 2014 #146
Perhaps it would be better to just shut down oil production worldwide,guess we could revert to horse Thinkingabout Nov 2014 #165
Renewables are already cheaper than oil. It's a fact. grahamhgreen Nov 2014 #230
I'm all for renewables for those who wants to do without the luxuries Thinkingabout Nov 2014 #231
Driving is cheaper with electric cars and renewable energy by a factor of 10! grahamhgreen Nov 2014 #239
I forgot, how do you charge electric cars? Thinkingabout Nov 2014 #241
If safety is your concern, then you should want to leave the tar sand in the ground grahamhgreen Nov 2014 #242
No democrank Nov 2014 #63
Yes. If the people want it. It's our country Boom Sound 416 Nov 2014 #64
No. 1monster Nov 2014 #65
No roody Nov 2014 #67
Absolutely NO! sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #68
Hypothetically, yes. In reality, no. pampango Nov 2014 #69
Hell no rosesaylavee Nov 2014 #71
As long as it is NOT PASSED pnwmom Nov 2014 #72
No! mckara Nov 2014 #74
whats in it for us?...payback for alaska oil pipeline in canada. shallwechat Nov 2014 #75
Not only no, Hell NO! onecaliberal Nov 2014 #76
FUCK NO! williesgirl Nov 2014 #77
Absolutely not MissDeeds Nov 2014 #78
Nope and no to Tester also LiberalArkie Nov 2014 #79
NO! ISW Nov 2014 #82
Ditto on the nopes Omaha Steve Nov 2014 #84
The problem is that this isn't a winning issue for Dems. Drunken Irishman Nov 2014 #85
The problem is the Dems haven't figured out HOW to make it a winning issue. Martin Eden Nov 2014 #92
The problem is the potential environmental disaster, and the fact that the only upside to the Marr Nov 2014 #106
+1 RufusTFirefly Nov 2014 #111
a-freakin-men!!! U4ikLefty Nov 2014 #260
Link to people who vote dem being for it, please. grahamhgreen Nov 2014 #147
Considering only 30% or so oppose it, it's a good bet a lot of Dem voters support it. Drunken Irishman Nov 2014 #148
So, it loses us votes, especially among those that sat out the last election. grahamhgreen Nov 2014 #151
It's the definition of a lose-lose political issue. Drunken Irishman Nov 2014 #217
NO. LWolf Nov 2014 #87
They're fucking cowards gwheezie Nov 2014 #90
Nope. BeanMusical Nov 2014 #93
no, but when it breaks onethatcares Nov 2014 #95
First of all this isn't crude florida08 Nov 2014 #99
No, old guy Nov 2014 #100
NO MFM008 Nov 2014 #101
I do not support the Keystone XL Pipeline. Agnosticsherbet Nov 2014 #102
No. That's one of the dumbest ideas ever. PDJane Nov 2014 #103
No. /nt Marr Nov 2014 #104
Nope. Ny abelenkpe Nov 2014 #109
HELL NO DonCoquixote Nov 2014 #114
Do red states deserve what they voted for? IronLionZion Nov 2014 #115
So, it's already there they just want a shorter one LeftInTX Nov 2014 #249
Oh yeah its there, they claim its not big enough IronLionZion Nov 2014 #255
No. nt awoke_in_2003 Nov 2014 #117
No. n/t GoCubsGo Nov 2014 #120
Not at all! tenderfoot Nov 2014 #122
No, absolutely not! Who do they think will benefit? Certainly not any of us! scarletwoman Nov 2014 #123
Fuck no. truebrit71 Nov 2014 #124
Its definitely not a deal breaker bhikkhu Nov 2014 #125
NO. n/t Triana Nov 2014 #126
No. I am not OK with that. JDPriestly Nov 2014 #127
Hell No! Kath1 Nov 2014 #128
Not Okay with that. i have been assured, though, that policy and issues do not matter as djean111 Nov 2014 #129
In no way,shape,or form. 99Forever Nov 2014 #131
No. n/t ms liberty Nov 2014 #132
Yes customerserviceguy Nov 2014 #135
NO! n/t tokenlib Nov 2014 #137
I'm ok with this pipeline sweetapogee Nov 2014 #138
Does it run through your water source? RiverLover Nov 2014 #164
we have a private well sweetapogee Nov 2014 #243
Are you also ok with global warming and corporate control of politicians? Maineman Nov 2014 #175
thanks! sweetapogee Nov 2014 #244
You like higher gasoline prices, and only more jobs to stop terrorists... cascadiance Nov 2014 #198
Only one way that it matters Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 2014 #139
No and I'm extremely disheartened that they're even considering it. Rhiannon12866 Nov 2014 #141
No N O! Against Fossil fuels continuing and the damage that that project is doing and will do. glinda Nov 2014 #143
No. It's not even oil. It's tar sand. Highly abrasive. grahamhgreen Nov 2014 #145
Here are the 31 davidpdx Nov 2014 #149
No, but it's not a major issue for me. ZombieHorde Nov 2014 #152
Nope. Iggo Nov 2014 #155
A vote for Keystone should be reason enought for removal from the Democratic Party IdiocracyTheNewNorm Nov 2014 #161
NO. & we will know they were purchased by Koch & Friends if they do. ~nt RiverLover Nov 2014 #163
It is none of our business, any more, how people vote once they get into office. djean111 Nov 2014 #166
Nope. fredamae Nov 2014 #167
No (nt) bigwillq Nov 2014 #168
Nordstrom's says they're better off without some customers. Similarly, the Democratic Party ... Scuba Nov 2014 #170
No. Maineman Nov 2014 #174
No! albino65 Nov 2014 #177
Hell No. n/t zentrum Nov 2014 #179
No Way LadyVV Nov 2014 #180
No...n/t obietiger Nov 2014 #181
Are you fucking kidding me? lonestarnot Nov 2014 #182
Not just no, but joshdawg Nov 2014 #183
No A Little Weird Nov 2014 #185
ABSOLUTELY NO. Voice for Peace Nov 2014 #186
No. Fearless Nov 2014 #187
Absolutely NOT... elzenmahn Nov 2014 #188
NO turbinetree Nov 2014 #191
And they wonder why Democratic turnout is so low... kentuck Nov 2014 #192
+1 Couldn't agree more! B Calm Nov 2014 #193
Yes, morons is appropriate. BeanMusical Nov 2014 #195
NO!!! When will politicians stand for the environment cally Nov 2014 #281
NO! Why should the rest of them want to lose for the same reason corporatists lost this election?! cascadiance Nov 2014 #197
Can we have their names? classykaren Nov 2014 #200
No. But I'm coming to the opinion that they don't care Cleita Nov 2014 #201
Keystone XL is why the Kochs spent many millions to buy the election Stainless Nov 2014 #203
Yes. I heard that show. It needs to be shouted far and wide. SunSeeker Nov 2014 #207
This pipeline will hurt middle class jobs, exactly why Democrats and Republicans want it whereisjustice Nov 2014 #204
No way in hell... nt G_j Nov 2014 #206
No. Greed is the opposite of Democratic. (NT) Octafish Nov 2014 #208
The world seems to have enough pipelines ecstatic Nov 2014 #209
No cantbeserious Nov 2014 #211
We need something like the NRA that scores votes.... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2014 #212
Let me add to this chorus- NO! WestCoasterDude Nov 2014 #213
No way! Faux pas Nov 2014 #215
No if it endangers the aquifer in any way. Water is the most kiranon Nov 2014 #219
No, I am not happy Andy823 Nov 2014 #220
Hell No Piedras Nov 2014 #221
Are you okay with GOP congress voting to repeal the ACA, cheapdate Nov 2014 #223
right on still_one Nov 2014 #229
More Third Way talking points conveniently omitting Third Way corporate complicity. woo me with science Nov 2014 #234
Thanks woo... kentuck Nov 2014 #236
Yes, asserting that despite the Party's imperfections and disagreements cheapdate Nov 2014 #247
Thanks, kentuck. woo me with science Nov 2014 #251
Why exactly are you posting on Democratic Underground? cheapdate Nov 2014 #246
Insults. Is that all you've got? U4ikLefty Nov 2014 #261
In case you have any actual interest in this discussion, context is important. cheapdate Nov 2014 #263
Yup. woo me with science Nov 2014 #284
The pipeline is already built. joshcryer Nov 2014 #264
third way is different from blue dog IronLionZion Nov 2014 #266
+1, wish I could rec your post. /nt Marr Nov 2014 #298
Of course not. nt valerief Nov 2014 #224
No. mindem Nov 2014 #227
Only if it goes through their backyard. still_one Nov 2014 #228
It won't pass so it doesn't matter. craigmatic Nov 2014 #235
NO!! Segami Nov 2014 #240
I am completely opposed to it. femmocrat Nov 2014 #248
For the sake of my possible future grandchildren, no. herding cats Nov 2014 #262
The AFL-CIO and big labor in general is backing the Keystone Pipeline - so I suspect that many Douglas Carpenter Nov 2014 #274
No peacebird Nov 2014 #277
No. Absolutely NOT ok with it. eom BlueCaliDem Nov 2014 #278
NO, of course not. bowens43 Nov 2014 #279
No. I'm someone who bases my position mmonk Nov 2014 #290
Only if they move to within 2 miles of it Old Nick Nov 2014 #295
Disgust for sellouts and liars woo me with science Nov 2014 #299
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