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Post mortem thread. Why did we lose? [View all] lumberjack_jeff Nov 2014 OP
because the country is right wing, and has been so for some time still_one Nov 2014 #1
I don't think that's the case and besides, I know that "right wing" isn't one thing. n/t lumberjack_jeff Nov 2014 #4
Wrong, and its way past time to end this deception. In poll after poll the American people sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #165
If we truly believe this...? kentuck Nov 2014 #168
We are not 'on the inside'. WE are not destroying the party. The Third Way/DLC has destroyed sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #176
I agree with you... kentuck Nov 2014 #180
+1 deutsey Nov 2014 #225
You win this thread my friend workinclasszero Nov 2014 #239
Your title indicates that you disagree with me lumberjack_jeff Nov 2014 #241
If you look closely at what happened in this election, when ISSUES were on the ballot sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #304
voters in *that place*, support *that issue*. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2014 #309
I agree. It's hard to convince people to vote for you if you can't articulate what you stand for. Warren DeMontague Nov 2014 #294
+1 Not only polls by pollsters, but at the ballot box yesterday. Yes, yesterday. merrily Nov 2014 #303
And we were trying to win seats in right-wing strongholds... n/t sweetloukillbot Nov 2014 #5
Wrong! Polling consistently shows that broad swaths of the electorate KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #65
I don't agree. CO, MI, WI are perfect examples, and those are NOT traditionally considered red still_one Nov 2014 #72
Sigh. I don't have links to the relevant polling data, but there are many KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #82
It definitely used to be that way, but a lot of things have changed. Here is a still_one Nov 2014 #91
Oh, puh-leeze. Most Americans couldn't define 'conservative' or 'liberal' to save KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #96
Actually you are proving my point unfortunately. Liberals are far better critical thinkers, and still_one Nov 2014 #106
You do understand that Americans can support a basket of progressive proposals but also KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #113
Sure, "whats the matter with Kansas". We definitely agree and hope Obama does his job and gets the still_one Nov 2014 #117
But I doubt that he will do that.. kentuck Nov 2014 #138
Your attitude, my friend, is exactly why Democrats lost. Really. Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2014 #160
And that would be what? kentuck Nov 2014 #164
You don't need 100% Kentuck. But you rarely even ANY percent. I've witnessed your rhetoric. Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2014 #189
I don't think I am jabbing my fist in the face of the President. kentuck Nov 2014 #194
I saw a few consistent subjects in Rep ads that I think we need to pay attention to... Red State Rebel Nov 2014 #232
Those are issues that won't go away with reframing. amandabeech Nov 2014 #305
This should go well. morningfog Nov 2014 #2
I'm curious about all theories... at least actionable ones. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2014 #7
$$ and apathy. n/t Freethinker65 Nov 2014 #3
I agree LeftInTX Nov 2014 #19
Post removed Post removed Nov 2014 #6
I didn't see any gun grab attempts. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2014 #12
Rumors are enough lancer78 Nov 2014 #39
DiFi isn't running this year. Le Taz Hot Nov 2014 #48
Washington state voted to close the gun show loophole Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 2014 #87
I was surprised actually here marlakay Nov 2014 #190
There's the SAFE Act in NY and some of Colorado's new laws derby378 Nov 2014 #276
See, it's THAT type of Rush Limbaugh lie that persuades ignorant Americans to vote Republican. WinkyDink Nov 2014 #112
Failure to embrace progressivism Lee-Lee Nov 2014 #8
So you think marions ghost Nov 2014 #36
I think Lee-Lee Nov 2014 #54
You're absolutely right about articulating values. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2014 #64
There seem to be a lot marions ghost Nov 2014 #70
"Societal Factors" CANDO Nov 2014 #115
You mean the lies? marions ghost Nov 2014 #118
Yeah pretty much lies CANDO Nov 2014 #166
So you tried and you know how hard it is marions ghost Nov 2014 #192
Well for the most part CANDO Nov 2014 #230
How would you suggest they counter marions ghost Nov 2014 #271
Why do you keep parsing my posts? CANDO Nov 2014 #316
And all I'm saying marions ghost Nov 2014 #317
I don't know... CANDO Nov 2014 #318
So you think Democrats lost because they were too extreme? Scootaloo Nov 2014 #136
No marions ghost Nov 2014 #139
Then you don't understand why people sit elections out Scootaloo Nov 2014 #147
I think they sit elections out for many reasons marions ghost Nov 2014 #154
Yes, the game is rigged. How do you beat a rigged game? Scootaloo Nov 2014 #159
Not sure marions ghost Nov 2014 #172
There are two ways Scootaloo Nov 2014 #191
So I get your marions ghost Nov 2014 #197
Feel free to sit on your couch then. Scootaloo Nov 2014 #200
Eh? marions ghost Nov 2014 #203
Well, running moderates and centrists is what we've been trying all this time Scootaloo Nov 2014 #207
Duh marions ghost Nov 2014 #209
The only enemy is apathy Scootaloo Nov 2014 #214
You have to be "inspiring" because people marions ghost Nov 2014 #219
It would GummyBearz Nov 2014 #222
Yes, Dems should not be ashamed of their legacy Lydia Leftcoast Nov 2014 #143
There IS no avenue for Liberals marions ghost Nov 2014 #148
Easily Lydia Leftcoast Nov 2014 #151
OK well bring it here marions ghost Nov 2014 #158
White guys hate the President BeyondGeography Nov 2014 #9
Udall was a white guy. n/t lumberjack_jeff Nov 2014 #20
How'd he do with white guys? BeyondGeography Nov 2014 #27
Obama is no more or less black today than he was when he won... twice. n/t lumberjack_jeff Nov 2014 #60
If you don't have an answer, I'd prefer you didn't answer n/t BeyondGeography Nov 2014 #75
I gave my answer. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2014 #85
How did Udall do with non-college educated white males? BeyondGeography Nov 2014 #105
Yes. Like that one. n/t lumberjack_jeff Nov 2014 #109
White men are noticeably more right-wing in politics-at least, in terms of voting-than other groups YoungDemCA Nov 2014 #140
That's not an explanation, it's a problem statement. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2014 #240
I am uncomfortable with explicit appeals to the votes of white men as a group YoungDemCA Nov 2014 #252
That is apparent. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2014 #258
they are a demographic, like it or not. Warren DeMontague Nov 2014 #299
Here's an issue: Men favor Marijuana legalization, statistically, more than women. Warren DeMontague Nov 2014 #312
The sad reality is that the Senate leader will be an old white guy, just like it is now. BP2 Nov 2014 #21
There does seem to be a problem marions ghost Nov 2014 #46
Political parties don't correct voters, they appeal to them. n/t lumberjack_jeff Nov 2014 #61
If the voters are not hearing you they're not hearing marions ghost Nov 2014 #90
Guys aren't born with a GOP party ID. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2014 #262
+1 Starry Messenger Nov 2014 #49
Yeah, nobody noticed he was black until after this: woo me with science Nov 2014 #73
If he'd only been a TRUE Progressive!!! BeyondGeography Nov 2014 #80
LOL. Way to ignore the point. woo me with science Nov 2014 #97
I knew a lot of Democrats after '08 deutsey Nov 2014 #228
Exactly. The same crowd that refuses to accept that far too many Americans consider Obama to be Number23 Nov 2014 #125
I expect the board will be flooded with such tripe tomorrow BeyondGeography Nov 2014 #128
'Tripe' is an exceptionally kind word for that sort of cluelessness. Number23 Nov 2014 #135
More importantly, polls show consistently that on actual ISSUES, woo me with science Nov 2014 #157
The fact is the majority of Americans consider Obama too liberal. Number23 Nov 2014 #188
Well, now you're simply repeating the same argument I already answered. woo me with science Nov 2014 #206
Your argument is not and has never been coherent. So there's that. Number23 Nov 2014 #283
Based on that logic, we're doomed because ... Deny and Shred Nov 2014 #280
As I said, right or wrong, this is a view that many Americans have of this president Number23 Nov 2014 #285
Whoosh. Obama didn't run yesterday. Deny and Shred Nov 2014 #288
Even the president acknowledged that HIS policies were the ones on the ballot Number23 Nov 2014 #290
Easy. I'm all about the conversation. Deny and Shred Nov 2014 #298
Your comments cut right to the core. nilesobek Nov 2014 #216
So how was it that this racism that accounts for low turnout woo me with science Nov 2014 #149
The fact that many of those campaign promises marions ghost Nov 2014 #155
There's that word, "miracle" again. It's a neat way to gloss over the actual record and woo me with science Nov 2014 #167
Nice rant marions ghost Nov 2014 #187
What a surreal response. woo me with science Nov 2014 #205
OK stop ranting, and read and hear me marions ghost Nov 2014 #208
It is nonsensical IMO also marions ghost Nov 2014 #145
That's exactly right. In my later post I posted links to polls that say that many Americans Number23 Nov 2014 #152
Right marions ghost Nov 2014 #161
We voted for him thinking he was going to be a liberal. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2014 #242
I did not vote for Obama because I thought he was going to be a liberal Number23 Nov 2014 #286
You think America's stupid... sibelian Nov 2014 #202
One needs to be careful about painting large groups of people with the same brush. TampaAnimusVortex Nov 2014 #231
As I mentioned, a white woman would get the same treatment BeyondGeography Nov 2014 #233
Then you should rephrase the title of you previous post. TampaAnimusVortex Nov 2014 #237
If you only read the title, yes BeyondGeography Nov 2014 #238
We lost because of Netflix and video games. As long as young people BP2 Nov 2014 #10
And what would your solution to the Netflix and video game problem be? TacoD Nov 2014 #247
ah yes DonCoquixote Nov 2014 #11
The only woman I'd blame is the DNC chairwoman. She helped choose the policies. n/t lumberjack_jeff Nov 2014 #31
and to just said that we depend too much DonCoquixote Nov 2014 #41
I blame Pelosi for taking impeachment off the table back in 2006. Pelosi demonstrated thereby KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #104
Because we ran away from our issues. AleksS Nov 2014 #13
Dark money, Citizens United Wella Nov 2014 #14
Right marions ghost Nov 2014 #55
+1 deutsey Nov 2014 #229
1.) It's a 6-year midterm election Hissyspit Nov 2014 #15
It didn't make a difference for Bill in '98. BP2 Nov 2014 #28
You are correct. Hissyspit Nov 2014 #45
The economy was going gangbusters lancer78 Nov 2014 #50
The economy was unbelievable. amandabeech Nov 2014 #306
In Bill's case, 1998 was backlash against the impeachment circus Art_from_Ark Nov 2014 #77
Because the GOP massively overreached, trying to impeach him over a blowjob. Warren DeMontague Nov 2014 #291
Yes, exactly cemaphonic Nov 2014 #184
We didnt have a real choice,our red/purple state candidates said we are really the same libtodeath Nov 2014 #16
Yes, you have to be DIFFERENT from the opposition Lydia Leftcoast Nov 2014 #132
Centrism AgingAmerican Nov 2014 #17
Agreed. Marr Nov 2014 #103
The media plants the idea of the opposition party TwilightGardener Nov 2014 #18
THIS RIGHT HERE! Problem is, Democrats are just as susceptible for the corporate media memes and Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2014 #163
When the President is successfully blamed for Secret Service not protecting him or his family TwilightGardener Nov 2014 #175
Yep. You're right. Today's Washington Post's op-ed about "6 mistakes Obama made" that cost the Dems. Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2014 #183
Because the lies have been told enough times now that the voters believe them Dont call me Shirley Nov 2014 #22
Sorry, but I am going to break rule #2. Brigid Nov 2014 #23
I don't know, but I hope it is because Vattel Nov 2014 #24
None of the above. maced666 Nov 2014 #25
Pretty simple. $1tr to fight ISIS passed with no debate LittleBlue Nov 2014 #26
Winner! Puzzledtraveller Nov 2014 #83
"26. Pretty simple. $1tr to fight ISIS passed with no debate" Inkfreak Nov 2014 #217
Mostly because we have a main stream media that uses social engineering to get what they want. Rex Nov 2014 #29
A large part of it marions ghost Nov 2014 #101
Maybe there wasn't enough of an agenda to interest the minority vote? Baitball Blogger Nov 2014 #30
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Nov 2014 #32
The numbers were against us too long on the economy. Qutzupalotl Nov 2014 #33
add to it... H. Cromwell Nov 2014 #52
The Cheap Labor Republicans won't be any help there. Qutzupalotl Nov 2014 #119
harry truman said it decades ago: Given the choice between a Republican and someone who acts like a msongs Nov 2014 #34
That's just what I was going to post. dflprincess Nov 2014 #35
Racism KittyKat13 Nov 2014 #37
No, us overusing this claim did not help us. Puzzledtraveller Nov 2014 #84
For the same reason we lost in 2010 LeftInTX Nov 2014 #38
Yep marions ghost Nov 2014 #114
It all goes back offering a contrast quakerboy Nov 2014 #40
You really want to know? Scootaloo Nov 2014 #42
Yes. n/t lumberjack_jeff Nov 2014 #62
Alright. Scootaloo Nov 2014 #123
Excellent post BlindTiresias Nov 2014 #179
+ a million. nt laundry_queen Nov 2014 #218
I agree about articulating principle and values. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2014 #263
Hey, scoot. Hoe goes? R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2014 #102
Sawright Scootaloo Nov 2014 #127
Its the economy stupid jamzrockz Nov 2014 #43
If that's the case why did Romney not win? Nt maryellen99 Nov 2014 #94
Because putting Romney in charge of money is like putting Jack Sparrow in charge of the rum Scootaloo Nov 2014 #129
Let's hope so nt maryellen99 Nov 2014 #131
Stock market and unemployment TBF Nov 2014 #275
We need to run as LIBERALS. Le Taz Hot Nov 2014 #44
Fuck it. I still have beer. We'll talk tomorrow. Throd Nov 2014 #47
Maybe a good plan. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2014 #56
Red States, Ebola, ISIS , Black President, Whore Media, and Voters actually WANT that Creepy JI7 Nov 2014 #51
Failure to differentiate ourselves from fu**** republicans workinclasszero Nov 2014 #53
I think you're onto something. BKH70041 Nov 2014 #57
To some extent, we're overthinking this Algernon Moncrieff Nov 2014 #58
If Dems are going to be the "not Republican" party... Barack_America Nov 2014 #59
Fancy that --the Men's Rights crowd blaming women. geek tragedy Nov 2014 #63
I'd be interested in seeing the exit polling. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2014 #67
The problem is that the disadvantaged don't vote. geek tragedy Nov 2014 #69
Well maybe today's winners will represent the disadvantaged. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2014 #74
Most people hate the government and then they vote for geek tragedy Nov 2014 #107
True marions ghost Nov 2014 #110
Married WHITE women skew that result YoungDemCA Nov 2014 #144
Married women - in general - supported Romney lumberjack_jeff Nov 2014 #243
Reread what I said. Married white women skew that result YoungDemCA Nov 2014 #251
I'd be interested to see any polling that supports what you're saying. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2014 #257
I'm going to add that the left does not have a voice in the media. Look at us - jillan Nov 2014 #66
They Own the Media AndyTiedye Nov 2014 #86
Thanks to Bill Clinton. I don't understand why DU won't listen to me. As must as liberals/Dems bash Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2014 #193
It Has Been That Way Since Reagan Killed the Fairness Doctrine AndyTiedye Nov 2014 #210
Yes, Reagan dismantled the Fairness Doctrine, but deregulation under Clinton killed ANY Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2014 #211
No coherent platform, and some felt kicked out of the tent. Just my opinion. KMOD Nov 2014 #68
Agree. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2014 #71
.... YoungDemCA Nov 2014 #142
+1 Puzzledtraveller Nov 2014 #81
overusing same messages Puzzledtraveller Nov 2014 #76
The usual midterm cycle of losing Senate seats. Blaukraut Nov 2014 #78
Doesn't explain our poor performance in Blue State Governorships... brooklynite Nov 2014 #93
Lousy candidates and the reality that white people geek tragedy Nov 2014 #116
Being from Maryland and still in shock, I have several explanations for why Brown lost. Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2014 #177
I'm in Maryland, and the Obamacare roll-out was really a problem for Brown. amandabeech Nov 2014 #308
Democrats squandered all their political capital in 2009-2010 by Zorra Nov 2014 #79
They also squandered a lot of political capital attempting to install post-Newtown gun reform Algernon Moncrieff Nov 2014 #98
You really should look forward instead of backward. R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2014 #108
I've always found that learning from my mistakes helps me avoid repeating them. Zorra Nov 2014 #133
My theories Proud Liberal Dem Nov 2014 #88
re: #3. We should do more to appeal to those who vote. n/t lumberjack_jeff Nov 2014 #272
Republicans succeeded in getting the people to blame Obama for not getting things done AZ Progressive Nov 2014 #89
Refusal to 'natioanlize' the election to counter Republicans' anti-Obama KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #92
There is no question in my mind is it is because of Ebola, and if President Obama hadn't brought still_one Nov 2014 #95
FEAR JCMach1 Nov 2014 #99
1) Repuglikkkan gerrymandering; lastlib Nov 2014 #100
The R-W media drumbeat of ISIS and Ebola and Obama's "incompetence." Geraldo called these the WinkyDink Nov 2014 #111
yep to the drumbeat marions ghost Nov 2014 #122
Sorry for this but - female candidates in mid terms when voters are flamingdem Nov 2014 #120
If the voters are "old white male farts" lumberjack_jeff Nov 2014 #273
Too many people did not vote. Waiting For Everyman Nov 2014 #121
Vast disenfranchisement- 40,000 in Georgia alone Tsiyu Nov 2014 #124
lack of Democratic turnout was a factor steve2470 Nov 2014 #126
The Dems should have learned from the experience of Labour in Britain Lydia Leftcoast Nov 2014 #130
excellent post laundry_queen Nov 2014 #223
The Democrats did not turn out enough voters YoungDemCA Nov 2014 #134
We lost??? LadyHawkAZ Nov 2014 #137
Our club is more pure now. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2014 #246
1) A debacle of a Democratic president brentspeak Nov 2014 #141
You blame women. Shocking. LeftyMom Nov 2014 #146
If you're not Debbie Wasserman-Schultz, I'm not blaming you. n/t lumberjack_jeff Nov 2014 #278
Another factor I would add: the urban-rural divide doesn't favor us in midterms YoungDemCA Nov 2014 #150
Each race had its own reasons frazzled Nov 2014 #153
I hope the explanation is that simple... kentuck Nov 2014 #174
King Charlemagne had a thread a day or two ago.... kentuck Nov 2014 #156
I think you're on an interesting track. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2014 #264
Economic populism should be blueprint for Democrats.. kentuck Nov 2014 #267
Because AnalystInParadise Nov 2014 #162
... . 840high Nov 2014 #315
The democrats don't do enough to improve average people's lives. liberal_at_heart Nov 2014 #169
And if they don't ...? kentuck Nov 2014 #171
oh, I have no doubt we are headed in the direction of having four major parties. liberal_at_heart Nov 2014 #173
Although the Tea Party is only a place where the Repubs dump their "crazies"... kentuck Nov 2014 #185
no argument here. I agree with you. liberal_at_heart Nov 2014 #186
A Parliamentary System Gloria Nov 2014 #277
So why would unmarried female voters vote differently than married female voters? alp227 Nov 2014 #170
This is trolling. True Blue Door Nov 2014 #178
Then offer specific information that it was. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2014 #260
It's pretty obvious why we lost Azathoth Nov 2014 #181
WE ARE NOT AS ORGANIZED AT THE GRASSROOTS LEVEL AS THEY ARE. Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2014 #182
My theory? BlindTiresias Nov 2014 #195
We can thank The Clintons to have mylye2222 Nov 2014 #196
You just had to inject your MRA crap in, didn't you? Odin2005 Nov 2014 #198
No crap. only facts. mylye2222 Nov 2014 #201
You seem to confuse "fact" and "editorial". Easy mistake to make... LanternWaste Nov 2014 #256
Or "crap" for "editorial" for that matter. n/t lumberjack_jeff Nov 2014 #287
It's so simple - because DEMOCRATS are no longer DEMOCRATS Glitterati Nov 2014 #199
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2014 #204
In most places, this was a referendum on the President. Tatiana Nov 2014 #212
We didn't state our accomplishments and were nice little puppy dogs. The Reps had nothing.... kerry-is-my-prez Nov 2014 #213
This message was self-deleted by its author Skittles Nov 2014 #215
We lost because Democrats were afraid to stand on their accomplishments. Vinca Nov 2014 #220
Ask again week from now demwing Nov 2014 #221
People see Obama as a wimp / incompetent, and Democrats as the same. chrisa Nov 2014 #224
IMO because in the US blaming others dominates helping others. HereSince1628 Nov 2014 #226
Koch money Bettie Nov 2014 #227
Money cyberswede Nov 2014 #234
If that snip beyotch JustAnotherGen Nov 2014 #235
They got more votes than we did. deaniac21 Nov 2014 #236
Jobs....jobs...jobs cap Nov 2014 #244
I'd call it economic populism, but yes. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2014 #245
Because the country sucks right now and we hold the presidency. AngryAmish Nov 2014 #248
Because Americans are afraid and paranoid about everything. Avalux Nov 2014 #249
Like Duh, people didn't vote because of many reasons nolabels Nov 2014 #250
The states up for election in the Senate were red states treestar Nov 2014 #253
Campaigning too much on getting out the vote instead of issues sakabatou Nov 2014 #254
The people wanted change the Democrats offered them "more of the same". Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2014 #255
Sometimes they just want change whether it is good or bad LeftInTX Nov 2014 #265
Or, they think anything will be better than the status-quo. Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2014 #266
Lost control of the messaging with the media. IdaBriggs Nov 2014 #259
Unfortunately, a lot of it has to do with Obama being black Niko Nov 2014 #261
Absolutely! kentuck Nov 2014 #268
so utterly sad, sickening...and true noiretextatique Nov 2014 #279
I suspect your post is intended as satire or snark, but in case it isn't Warren DeMontague Nov 2014 #300
Obama's slumping approval rating Awsi Dooger Nov 2014 #269
Maybe pinning our hopes on people who don't vote is a poor strategy. n/t lumberjack_jeff Nov 2014 #270
The analysis I heard was that the Dems needed to win over 6% more votes Gloria Nov 2014 #274
Midterm funk. Happens all the time. DCBob Nov 2014 #281
Several reasons, combined: Warren DeMontague Nov 2014 #282
Well said. n/t lumberjack_jeff Nov 2014 #284
The party needs to back-burner behavioral issues Lydia Leftcoast Nov 2014 #289
Bingo! kentuck Nov 2014 #295
On point BlindTiresias Nov 2014 #293
The party that is seen as intolerant, rigid, ideologically narrow and strident, generally loses. Warren DeMontague Nov 2014 #292
stagnant wages/income /lack of upward mobility Douglas Carpenter Nov 2014 #296
The 6th year into an 8 year presidency ozone_man Nov 2014 #297
The MSM's relentless anti-Democratic pro-Republican propaganda and LibDemAlways Nov 2014 #301
re: "Fraud! Cheating! Vote suppression!": ucrdem Nov 2014 #302
The Pukes figured out customerserviceguy Nov 2014 #307
You forgot Joni Ernst Lydia Leftcoast Nov 2014 #311
Yes, they did have her customerserviceguy Nov 2014 #313
We lost because .... JoeFH Nov 2014 #310
It's the difference between the Tea Party and Occupy Hamlette Nov 2014 #314
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