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baldguy

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196. Liberals run for office all the time - and they win.

Fri Oct 31, 2014, 07:46 AM

Oct 2014

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The fact that they can't get legislation passed to fix your pet issues - mainly because of obstruction by the very same people Greenwald supports - doesn't stop them from being liberal.

Can you see how this works? You support Greenwald; Greenwald supports Republicans; Republicans obstruct any real efforts to help people; then Greenwald attacks the Democrats & you follow right along. Rinse. Repeat. This is the kind of shit Republicans just LOVE.

Just what is Greenwald's position on fracking, BTW? Or the TPP? ACA? Min wage? Voter suppression? Hmmm? You're assuming he agrees with you but you really have no idea. That's what projection really is. So stop falsely accusing others of what you're guilty of yourself.

This is the problem with Greenwald: He has no foundational values other than his own narcissism. He's convinced himself that throwing spitballs at the people who do the hard work is constructive & meaningful instead of vacuous & destructive. And he's seduced a few low-information bomb-throwers into believing the same. Again: Republicans just LOVE this shit.

And Elizabeth Warren thoroughly disagrees with you about Hillary:

Sen. Elizabeth Warren says she hopes Hillary Rodham Clinton runs for president in 2016 — the latest in a series of declarations of support by the Massachusetts Democrat..."All all of the women — Democratic women I should say — of the Senate urged Hillary Clinton to run, and I hope she does. Hillary is terrific"

More projection from you. Warren's loudest supporters on DU don't seem to be listening to her. She understands that to be able to get any sort of progressive legislation enacted into law, we need to have Democrats in office. Period. To that end, she will be supporting the Democratic nominee for President in 2016, no matter who she may be - no hedging, no equivocation, no spoiling any candidates before the primaries even start - and Warren sees the best candidate right now is Hillary.

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A Glenn Greenwald Survey [View all] Algernon Moncrieff Oct 2014 OP

This is NOT Glenn Greenwald Underground!!!! Major Hogwash Oct 2014 #1

DUers seem to like to discuss him a lot. Algernon Moncrieff Oct 2014 #2

must have a mouse in their pocket! wildbilln864 Oct 2014 #3

And you thought he was just happy to see you. merrily Oct 2014 #131

We are not amused. QC Oct 2014 #11

Oh...that "We" Algernon Moncrieff Oct 2014 #12

the "we"? VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #27

So Democrats don't want to discuss Greenwald? Algernon Moncrieff Oct 2014 #36

most of them...nope...but he is an obsession for the Dem Leaning Indies! VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #37

How many Greenwald OPs and posts have you made? whatchamacallit Oct 2014 #60

easy...NONE VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #61

Don't know about OPs, but you've made plenty of posts whatchamacallit Oct 2014 #63

so? Its all some people talk about on DU! VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #64

Yes, mostly on your side of the issue whatchamacallit Oct 2014 #66

that is bullshit and YOU know it... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #67

So ProSense and the others with GDS are not Democrats? whatchamacallit Oct 2014 #68

Wanna supply a link to that totally fabricated FEMA allegation? Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #84

Fair enough. Algernon Moncrieff Oct 2014 #73

What do you mean by 'obsession'? If someone has respect for another person who sabrina 1 Oct 2014 #144

The Times they are a'changin. JDPriestly Oct 2014 #65

Thank you, I can't wait to see it. sabrina 1 Oct 2014 #146

I saw it on Monday and I want to see it again. Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #153

Thanks, these are true heroes, and a clear threat, as we can see, to the corrupt powerful elite who sabrina 1 Oct 2014 #175

Stop worrying, Glenn will not hurt Hillary's chances! nt Logical Oct 2014 #81

This is the first Greenwald thread I've seen in ages Capt. Obvious Oct 2014 #14

I know, right Algernon Moncrieff Oct 2014 #15

By your apparent criterion . . . markpkessinger Oct 2014 #97

Why don't you stop saying that? rhett o rick Oct 2014 #136

I like pie shenmue Oct 2014 #4

I like pie too, but I have some bad news Algernon Moncrieff Oct 2014 #5

Not me shenmue Oct 2014 #6

Okay, I erased the linky part. Maybe that will help. shenmue Oct 2014 #7

No need to be sorry. Not your fault their server was hacked Algernon Moncrieff Oct 2014 #8

Thank u shenmue Oct 2014 #9

pompous, ego inflated douchebag. nt dionysus Oct 2014 #10

Always count on some here to sling the mud. It is easier than actually entering into a discussion. rhett o rick Oct 2014 #161

no,no it's not specifically about that. i think that he is, from reading his stuff, a pompous douche dionysus Oct 2014 #171

A pompous, ego inflated douchebag who is doing more to save our country from tyranny and putting Douglas Carpenter Oct 2014 #13

+100 truebluegreen Oct 2014 #26

to a Libertarian....DOUBT IT!!! VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #29

There are serious questions about Greenwald's motives YoungDemCA Oct 2014 #16

There you go again Andy823 Oct 2014 #18

Damn the man for making a living!1!11 He should be working for free!!1!!!1 riderinthestorm Oct 2014 #21

Yes selling state secrets to the highest bidder is a truly noble pursuit! YoungDemCA Oct 2014 #45

Link to Greenwald selling state secrets? riderinthestorm Oct 2014 #55

Really? He auctioned them off? merrily Oct 2014 #132

The Strawman AgingAmerican Oct 2014 #23

Showing that GG earned his living in part baldguy Oct 2014 #88

Right. "Wholly irrelevant" probably would have been more precise than "straw man." merrily Oct 2014 #133

More like "precisely relevant" baldguy Oct 2014 #139

He is not and has never been my hero. You will not fnd one post of mine praising him, so merrily Oct 2014 #145

So, if I accuse you of stealing candy from a a baby baldguy Oct 2014 #156

If you accused me of stealing candy from a baby, you'd be a liar. merrily Oct 2014 #157

Why do conservatives all hate investigative journalists and whistleblowers? rhett o rick Oct 2014 #160

You understand that GG is the conservative in this scenario, right? baldguy Oct 2014 #163

I suppose you think Pres Obama is not conservative. I suppose you think his stand on rhett o rick Oct 2014 #168

'Spose you think Ron Paul is a liberal. baldguy Oct 2014 #169

Ah the lame libertarian deflection. "Hey, look there's a libertarian." rhett o rick Oct 2014 #173

The point is that Glenn Greenwald the libertarian whines claiming Obama & Clinton aren't liberal. baldguy Oct 2014 #179

While Obama and H. Clinton are liberal related to social issues, they are definitely rhett o rick Oct 2014 #180

well said, well said. nt grasswire Oct 2014 #186

Nailed it. Bobbie Jo Oct 2014 #183

Yes he nailed it. Winning elections is more important than maintaining Democratic Values. rhett o rick Oct 2014 #190

I refuse to respond to yet another Bobbie Jo Oct 2014 #191

Of course not. Pres Obama and H. Clinton are strongly conservative in the rhett o rick Oct 2014 #192

No, I won't respond because Bobbie Jo Oct 2014 #193

Right, Liberals shouldn't soil themselves by actually running for office. baldguy Oct 2014 #194

Liberals have a hard time running for office because the Ruling Oligarchs put their money rhett o rick Oct 2014 #195

Liberals run for office all the time - and they win. baldguy Oct 2014 #196

How very scary to think that H. Clinton is the "best" Democratic candidate rhett o rick Oct 2014 #197

And you have no clue about Greenwalds positions on any of those. baldguy Oct 2014 #198

How sad that you are so fixated on Glen Greenwald. rhett o rick Oct 2014 #199

Why do conservatives all hate investigative journalists and whistleblowers? rhett o rick Oct 2014 #174

I appreciate your feedback Algernon Moncrieff Oct 2014 #24

the Daily Banter? grasswire Oct 2014 #40

Greenwald's motives don't change what the NSA did and still does to us. merrily Oct 2014 #129

Sibel Edmonds has provided ZERO evidence that any of the documents copied by Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #150

Rationalization is apparently the key to your happiness. nm rhett o rick Oct 2014 #162

People who hate him now had no problem with him when Bush was in office. Marr Oct 2014 #17

Really? Andy823 Oct 2014 #19

Yeah? Marr Oct 2014 #31

Nope Andy823 Oct 2014 #69

Well, I could easily cite the opposite. Marr Oct 2014 #77

He was a non-entity when Bush was in office. nt stevenleser Oct 2014 #20

That's not true. He wrote a lot of high profile pieces during the Bush Administration and was Marr Oct 2014 #28

He had zero impact. nt stevenleser Oct 2014 #110

Is it really that hard to just say, "I was incorrect"? /nt Marr Oct 2014 #111

Well, since you are incorrect, I don't know, is it? nt stevenleser Oct 2014 #112

What you're doing is embarrassingly juvenile. Marr Oct 2014 #113

Nope. The guy had no impact on politics at all until he attacked a Democratic President. stevenleser Oct 2014 #114

WHOOP! They it is! "...until he attacked a Democratic President." So predictable. cherokeeprogressive Oct 2014 #178

I chalk it up to professional envy. There is not one whistle blower in the world that would Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #121

I've heard of him ... wavesofeuphoria Oct 2014 #188

Yep. That's why his first 2 books, critical of the Bush admin, were on the NY Times Best Seller list Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #54

Big deal. 9000 books sold in one week gets you on the best sellers list. stevenleser Oct 2014 #109

Looking forward to your best seller book and when Foreign Policy magazine names you one of the Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #116

Nonetheless, being on the best seller list with 2 books does not equal "non entity" merrily Oct 2014 #130

and GREENWALD had no problem when Bush was in Office....funny that! VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #30

You missed his work on the Plame outing? Marr Oct 2014 #33

and that's it? VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #35

Just admit your claim was incorrect. Marr Oct 2014 #39

I am saying that his biggest pet peeve is SUPPOSEDLY spying on Americans... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #48

He wrote regularly about Bush's illegal surveillance while he was in office. Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #49

Do you only read titles? I literally wrote one sentence in the body of that post, and all it said Marr Oct 2014 #75

She's pretending that you didn't also write: "He was also covering NSA warrantless surveillance" Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #50

Lots of articles between 2005 and through the end of 2008 about surveillance Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #47

thanks I found THIS....thans for the trip down memory lane.. VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #51

And? Yes. A preface to his highly critical book about the Bush admin. Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #52

hahahaha keep trying.... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #58

So, are you suggesting that I don't vote for Hillary? Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #59

Clotheslined! whatchamacallit Oct 2014 #71

VR typically setS up about 20 of her own clotheslines to run into. DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2014 #98

so? VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #137

are you going to? VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #138

If she runs and has an opponent in the primary, Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #140

Daily Banter is not a credible source. grasswire Oct 2014 #117

i don't expect a correction from you Enrique Oct 2014 #80

That's the irritating part to me. Marr Oct 2014 #83

I just see him as a name I have to scroll past way too much to read things of actual substance. nt Ykcutnek Oct 2014 #22

Very much APPROVE of his work! ReverendDeuce Oct 2014 #25

Too late to vote neutral. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #32

Generally favorable here deutsey Oct 2014 #34

My opinion of his opinions varies with the opinion, but my strongest feelings are around his Bluenorthwest Oct 2014 #38

I have tried, myself, to understand the bitterness of the hate toward Greenwald. grasswire Oct 2014 #41

I think it's what you first mentioned. Marr Oct 2014 #43

Ding ding ding ding ding ding ding! Ladies and Gents, We Have a Winner! 2banon Oct 2014 #44

I think that is true of some. grasswire Oct 2014 #46

I think all of this is true to some extent, but woo me with science Oct 2014 #57

Thank you for that Re-Post/Refresher....so true..... KoKo Oct 2014 #70

+1. You should teach a course on posting and seeing through message board bullshit tactics. merrily Oct 2014 #135

I don't know if the homophobia motivates them, but clearly they are willing to employ such tactics Bluenorthwest Oct 2014 #62

Hate? No, I don't hate Greenwald. YoungDemCA Oct 2014 #72

What do you mean by 'self promoting opportunist'. I see that talking point aimed at sabrina 1 Oct 2014 #147

i think that's kind of a cheap shield to hide behind. sure, maybe RWers hate him for being gay. dionysus Oct 2014 #184

then why do so many here gut-level DESPISE him? grasswire Oct 2014 #185

or... his arrogant personality plus disagreement with his politics makes him easy to dislike. dionysus Oct 2014 #189

Shines light where few other journalists look. JEB Oct 2014 #42

The haters are few julio_maracas Oct 2014 #53

Hello bigwillq Oct 2014 #82

Just about as "few" as the Bobbie Jo Oct 2014 #182

“News is what somebody somewhere wants to suppress; all the rest is advertising.” Lord Northcliffe Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2014 #56

I neither like nor dislike him, it is what he does that either gets praise or criticism from me. Rex Oct 2014 #74

Too late for me to vote, but AtomicKitten Oct 2014 #76

72 hours seemed like enough at the time Algernon Moncrieff Oct 2014 #78

no worries AtomicKitten Oct 2014 #79

this, I think making it always about HIM overshadows anything important. bettyellen Oct 2014 #85

I've stayed clear of those threads so long, AtomicKitten Oct 2014 #87

good way of looking at it, and better than mine, LOL. bettyellen Oct 2014 #92

okay then, scoot over AtomicKitten Oct 2014 #94

put your feet up! bettyellen Oct 2014 #96

cheers AtomicKitten Oct 2014 #100

"I just don't get the fandom, and accusations of Obama worship or homophobia if you distrust him." Number23 Oct 2014 #176

As much as it seems like GG has a fan club here, it seems like they are more about bettyellen Oct 2014 #181

No it did not. In fact, it has published nothing about FEMA. Zero, nil, zilch. Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #90

Now that you know that The Intercept did not report the homeless RFID lie, do you Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #119

Asking a question about something just mentioned in the same thread is "buying in"? LOL. bettyellen Oct 2014 #125

Which is why DU loves to make it about him and Snowden and not about merrily Oct 2014 #128

I defended Ellsberg when I was 14 years old. I gave a crap when the full force of the U.S. Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #123

I welcome the information about the NSA, but that seemed a different issue to me than merrily Oct 2014 #127

GG hates Democrats, Loves Republicans, supports Ron Paul baldguy Oct 2014 #86

Indeed, that is why he raised money for a Democratic candidate and endorsed Rush Holt. Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #91

From RonPaulForums: "Good Ron Paul Article by Glenn Greenwald" baldguy Oct 2014 #101

Absolutely none of that is true, of course. merrily Oct 2014 #134

When was the last time GG praised anything Obama or the Democratic Party has done? baldguy Oct 2014 #141

Now, you're backpedaling. merrily Oct 2014 #142

If he has, show it. baldguy Oct 2014 #143

Sorry, but it's still your turn. Prove what YOU said in your original post, before you backpedaled merrily Oct 2014 #149

All you need to do is post something from GG that disproves it. baldguy Oct 2014 #152

Wrong. All I need to do is wait for you to prove what you posted in Reply 86 and what I called BS on merrily Oct 2014 #154

So you've got nothing. Thank you for proving my point. baldguy Oct 2014 #158

No, thank YOU for proving my bs call on your reply 86 was 100% spot on. It was obvious, but it's merrily Oct 2014 #159

You got pnw3d... riderinthestorm Oct 2014 #165

What, are you 12? baldguy Oct 2014 #167

Lol. Nope in my 50s but still have kids at home and you are screwn... riderinthestorm Oct 2014 #170

After that bullshit with Matt Taibbi today, my opinion is lower than "unfavorable" Blue_Tires Oct 2014 #89

Greenwald has zero to do with Matt's position or work with First Look. Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #93

Taibbi's "work" with First Look? Blue_Tires Oct 2014 #102

No. Greenwald does not run the show at First Look and you should know that. Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #104

I realize Cook is the ME at the Intercept Blue_Tires Oct 2014 #106

But if you think for one second that Greenwald has any authority over Tiabbi's division... Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #108

Someone has some authority over Taibbi Blue_Tires Oct 2014 #115

And you would think that is Greenwald why? From the beginning it has been clear the Greenwald Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #118

Because Greenwald was tasked with setting the whole thing up Blue_Tires Oct 2014 #120

He was/is tasked with no such thing. Greenwald's role is a reporter not an administrator. Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #122

Fine...So if Greenwald is a lowly peon blogger with ZERO administrative input whatsoever Blue_Tires Oct 2014 #124

You missed it. It already came out, thanks to the hubris of Aaron Barr sabrina 1 Oct 2014 #172

For some reason, I am unable to click on any of the "Vote" buttons . . . markpkessinger Oct 2014 #95

He put a 72 hour time limit on it. Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #99

Thanks . . . markpkessinger Oct 2014 #103

Cause = dumbass survey taker Algernon Moncrieff Oct 2014 #105

Favorable NT clg311 Oct 2014 #107

I suffer from voter apathy on this issue, so no vote. Will just enjoy the show. merrily Oct 2014 #126

The poll is not working for me. Has it been deleted? sabrina 1 Oct 2014 #148

It was a 72 hour poll. Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #151

The idiot who posted this thought 72 hours would be sufficient Algernon Moncrieff Oct 2014 #155

If you change the clock back one hour for daylight savings will it reappear? adirondacker Oct 2014 #166

I find it interesting that those that disparage whistleblowers and investigative journalists rhett o rick Oct 2014 #164

I think he's a slimy tool with a very punchable face. Drunken Irishman Oct 2014 #177

there it is grasswire Oct 2014 #187

You use what you've got. DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2014 #200