The way to win hearts and minds (Reply #33)

In the discussion thread: Single payer advocate gives up and moves to New Zealand [View all]

Mon Apr 16, 2012, 04:38 PM

33. The way to win hearts and minds

is to give people something they can actually use, like, oh, I don't know, maybe healthcare.

Will patriotism pay for your hospital stay?

Democrats would be golden if they had done that, instead of selling us out to a corrupt system. Now it's up to apologists to try and convince us that all we need to do is act in a non-rational manner and things will be better. Clapping for Tinkerbell and all that.

Fuck "hope." That's for suckers. Objective incentives are the only things that matter.

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76 replies	Author	Time	Post
Single payer advocate gives up and moves to New Zealand [View all]	eridani	Apr 2012	OP
"You can’t be about profit and be about a social service."	elleng	Apr 2012	#1
That simple	malaise	Apr 2012	#5
+1	Fearless	Apr 2012	#37
+ another 1 n/t	Beartracks	Apr 2012	#45
Good for her. More people should abandon this shithole. nt	Nay	Apr 2012	#2
I'd LOVE to go there! No resources to do it, though...	Ship of Fools	Apr 2012	#3
I'd love to blow this pop stand of a country. Not able to financially.	SammyWinstonJack	Apr 2012	#6
Try telling this to the "Love it or leave it" crew . . .	HughBeaumont	Apr 2012	#7
+1 n/t	n2doc	Apr 2012	#17
My reply to them is always.	obxhead	Apr 2012	#18
I would leave if it were possible.	dogknob	Apr 2012	#24
The US is a virtual prison.	Snake Alchemist	Apr 2012	#26
You realize that those who can do so are predominantly the upper-middle	coalition_unwilling	Apr 2012	#31
Some people here seem to not give a shit.	Daniel537	Apr 2012	#42
Hmm, Daniel537 only joined DU 9 April 2012 and yet feels comfortable deriding people as	peacebird	Apr 2012	#53
"Surely they can sell their summer home if need be" seems to be the reaction. nt	Snake Alchemist	Apr 2012	#50
She went to NZ and GOT single payer health care. To me that is NOT giving up.	KurtNYC	Apr 2012	#4
+1 nt	xchrom	Apr 2012	#9
+2	Fearless	Apr 2012	#38
Good luck to her. Maybe if we keep losing doctors to other countries our own government	southernyankeebelle	Apr 2012	#8
We're planning to do the same.	LittleGirl	Apr 2012	#10
It's easy to give up.	mmonk	Apr 2012	#11
Unfortunately, not everyone has this opportunity. nt	Snake Alchemist	Apr 2012	#12
this kind of an exodus can be avoided if the left would get more serious about challenging talk radi	certainot	Apr 2012	#13
Rush, arguably the most followed right wing talk radio but has	obxhead	Apr 2012	#20
he's point man for 1000 coordinated stations, creating made-to-order constituencies and alternate	certainot	Apr 2012	#75
Right Wing Talk Radio is a Huge Problem For Us, But What Can We Do About It?	AndyTiedye	Apr 2012	#43
RW radio monopoly can't survive without university sports, and those unis should be ashamed	certainot	Apr 2012	#74
That is a Good Suggestion	AndyTiedye	Apr 2012	#76
+1000... Anyone who questions the power of a broadcast platform to disseminate	shcrane71	Apr 2012	#60
Funny my two daughters have thought about New Zealand	exboyfil	Apr 2012	#14
They damned near had to drag me on the plane in NZ.	sofa king	Apr 2012	#15
Most places people want to go to are hard to get into. nt	Snake Alchemist	Apr 2012	#16
“Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to be free”	harun	Apr 2012	#19
She's lucky she has a profession that can "move" easily. If she were a hairdresser or clerk	SoCalDem	Apr 2012	#21
I don't know if it has changed, but my wife and I looked into relocating 15 years ago	Dragonfli	Apr 2012	#23
Sorry, I am on the fence about this one.	Ruby the Liberal	Apr 2012	#22
But that was New Zealand's choice to let her in.	Quantess	Apr 2012	#27
I am not speaking about one individual	Ruby the Liberal	Apr 2012	#28
Well, I can see your point about that.	Quantess	Apr 2012	#30
She wants Romney to win!!!11!	OnyxCollie	Apr 2012	#25
The sort of attitude displayed in this thread is why the Right is able to label us as Anti-American.	Mr.Turnip	Apr 2012	#29
The U.S. IS a shithole. 50 million Americans currently receiving food stamps. 44 million	coalition_unwilling	Apr 2012	#32
Amen. Plus...we're up to our asses in debt...so far, in fact, we're NEVER going to get out. Period.	BlueJazz	Apr 2012	#48
The way to win hearts and minds	OnyxCollie	Apr 2012	#33
And see that's why someone like you will never win an election in any major capacity.	Mr.Turnip	Apr 2012	#35
Was I trying to win an election?	OnyxCollie	Apr 2012	#36
That's the problem.	white_wolf	Apr 2012	#40
America is a fairly highly-developed Western Nation with a currently flawed Economic system.	Mr.Turnip	Apr 2012	#51
"It's by no measure the worst place in the world" -- aka damning it with faint praise. I guess you	coalition_unwilling	Apr 2012	#54
Whoo hoo! We're better than North Korea!	OnyxCollie	Apr 2012	#62
Of course, there are worse places to live.	white_wolf	Apr 2012	#56
Ok. Let's do this.	FedUp_Queer	Apr 2012	#47
You need BOTH, and they DON'T get along. That's why politics is hard.	saras	Apr 2012	#52
Fair enough.	FedUp_Queer	Apr 2012	#73
+1	Daniel537	Apr 2012	#41
brown nosing has gotten us this far	got root	Apr 2012	#59
Why do you care what the 'Right thinks'?? Surely if you are a Democrat you know that the Right	sabrina 1	Apr 2012	#63
I've Been To Heaven	nwliberalkiwi	Apr 2012	#34
Good luck getting citizenship	SHRED	Apr 2012	#39
Glad she could move to NZ	newfie11	Apr 2012	#44
K&R	DeSwiss	Apr 2012	#46
Wish we could subcontract our healthcare system to France. n/t	SDjack	Apr 2012	#49
Smart people are leaving this country	magic59	Apr 2012	#55
More expats gave up citizenship	EmeraldCityGrl	Apr 2012	#58
The awful truth.	Mimosa	Apr 2012	#57
I was just thinking that the US will have a brain drain first as the most educated	shcrane71	Apr 2012	#61
it will be massive ....what will be left	lovuian	Apr 2012	#64
Move over lavish suburbs! Make way for favellas. nt	shcrane71	Apr 2012	#72
Lucky her	Domingo Tavella	Apr 2012	#65
Hmmm	Bigredhunk	Apr 2012	#66
can't say i blame her	Tax Man	Apr 2012	#67
It's all of our loss that such a dedicated professional has chosen to leave	suffragette	Apr 2012	#68
If she's over 55 she can't get in.	wickerwoman	Apr 2012	#69
The former chair of HCFA-WA got in at age 57	eridani	Apr 2012	#71
Incredibly depressing because it's true	AnnieK401	Apr 2012	#70

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