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In reply to the discussion: Abraham Lincoln WTF? [View all]rug
(82,333 posts)4. It's hardly a handy fact readily broadcast.
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Since They Are Not Hidden, Sir, Then On Your Showing There Is Nothing To Discuss
The Magistrate
Apr 2012
#31
You Can Call It A Double-Burger With Cheese, Sir, For All The Difference It Would Make To Me
The Magistrate
Apr 2012
#58
And Both 'Nothing' And 'Double Cheeseburger', Sir, Plug The Same Hole In Sentence Structure
The Magistrate
Apr 2012
#67
You seem to have difficulty following a logical argument (including, apparently, your own)...
regnaD kciN
Apr 2012
#85
They thought women voting was as likely as pigs flying, it was "accepted" that women gave up all
MADem
Apr 2012
#69
Exactly. I've known this since my American History classes in high school, if not before...
regnaD kciN
Apr 2012
#84
You're engaging in the sin of 'presentism,' i.e., judging the past by the
coalition_unwilling
Apr 2012
#98
It was so ingrained, it was not noticed, and something like the Lincoln quotes
treestar
Apr 2012
#125
How many of the vaguely educated persons you met consider "the complexities of his personal views"
rug
Apr 2012
#22
Lincoln's views on race, which are racist, are insignificant? Really insignificant?
rug
Apr 2012
#79
Moreover, it was absolutely necessary to make such remarks to be politically violable in that race.
pnorman
Apr 2012
#47
Same (O.P.) can be said of MADISON, LBJ (see thread on MADISON/his slaves by xchrom)
UTUSN
Apr 2012
#57
Why are you making this personal? The subject line and article is from another website
Tx4obama
Apr 2012
#10
actually at that time he only needed those from Southern Illinois as he was running for that Senate
dsc
Apr 2012
#28
I remember learning about this rhetoric when I was in High School and it really floored me.
aikoaiko
Apr 2012
#18
Yet he prosecuted a war that was, ultimately, about freeing black people
MannyGoldstein
Apr 2012
#19
Manny, the war became ultimately about freeing slaves (whether black or
coalition_unwilling
Apr 2012
#100
I want to explain why I rec'd this. It made for interesting replies people might want to read.
Gregorian
Apr 2012
#32
It's hard to belive that any one with a basic knowledge of Lincoln and his history
enough
Apr 2012
#35
This isn't really a surprise to me. A couple years ago I read a quote by Lincoln stating that he
Proles
Apr 2012
#40
If this was Lincoln's personal viewpoint, then why did the South fear him being elected?
Major Hogwash
Apr 2012
#46
Because, Major, the South Was Loaded With, And Led By, Raving Nutters....
The Magistrate
Apr 2012
#60
American history is really ugly; it's why most people prefer American "heritage"
Tom Ripley
Apr 2012
#48
This does not surprise me. He fought the war to stop the south from leaving the union. And
jwirr
Apr 2012
#50
Sure--he was dragged, kicking and screaming, to the place where he saw the point of emancipation.
MADem
Apr 2012
#61
Lincoln WAS NOT dragged, kicking and screaming, to emancipation. That is total and utter rubbish. He
coalition_unwilling
Apr 2012
#103
Oh please. Put the huff-n-puff away. I am talking about his evolution over DECADES.
MADem
Apr 2012
#104
When someone uses the phrase 'kicking and screaming,' the implication is
coalition_unwilling
Apr 2012
#106
And Jefferson had slaves and he SLEPT with them...I mean he really had SEX with them...and George
Rowdyboy
Apr 2012
#62
Very true.... I was unaware there was any controversy about that but thanks for the clarification..
Rowdyboy
Apr 2012
#90
Oh, please. That's engaging in pedantry and Jesuitical equivocation of the worst sort. The
coalition_unwilling
Apr 2012
#105
Yipes. I guess it comes down to what the phrase 'freeing the slaves' actually means, hence
coalition_unwilling
Apr 2012
#114
Seems a lot of folk are feeling superior for having read A People's History of the United States
sadbear
Apr 2012
#80
Therefore, he was actually the bad guy, and the South should have won.
2ndAmForComputers
Apr 2012
#81
Yep, well it's not my fault that folks aren't clicking on the OP link to see that's the title :) n/t
Tx4obama
Apr 2012
#101
Less interesting to me than why we don't talk about which of today's ruling-class families owe
HiPointDem
Apr 2012
#102
Emphatic K&R for the discussion! I had my eyes opened a couple years back
coalition_unwilling
Apr 2012
#116
I remember being taught this in highschool, in addition, his views did develop over the course of...
Humanist_Activist
Apr 2012
#118