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Eugentists also wore clothes and ate food, should we stop that too? Kurska Apr 2012 #1
+1. TheWraith Apr 2012 #2
And when a "tool" begins life for the specific Union Scribe Apr 2012 #3
The first serious anti-smoking campaigns were created by the Nazis. TheWraith Apr 2012 #4
Testing was used by eugenicists to rank & categorize populations in order to distribute benefit and HiPointDem Apr 2012 #8
You don't seem to understand the concept of the genetic fallacy. TheWraith Apr 2012 #34
You don't seem to understand my reasoning. It has nothing to do with the genetic fallacy. HiPointDem Apr 2012 #36
I prefer to criticise ST because it sucks, not because I like the genetic fallacy. (nt) Posteritatis Apr 2012 #32
This is an overly simplistic and distorted "history" unc70 Apr 2012 #5
and "who gets into elite colleges" has no relation to the eugenics movement? HiPointDem Apr 2012 #6
No, the tests are not some ploy to maintain control unc70 Apr 2012 #17
Of course they are. The impulse to sort, categorize and rank human beings for the purpose of HiPointDem Apr 2012 #19
That the instruments (tests in this case) are misused ... unc70 Apr 2012 #24
The entire impulse for the extension of testing is to do these things. And always was; to rank, HiPointDem Apr 2012 #25
There is no point in discussing this further with you unc70 Apr 2012 #28
I may know more about the subject than you imagine. So I am not surprised that you call HiPointDem Apr 2012 #29
I stand by my earlier assessment unc70 Apr 2012 #45
Yep. Also, responses #1 and #20. (nt) Posteritatis Apr 2012 #31
where is the test that shows this SwampG8r Apr 2012 #7
Well said quaker bill Apr 2012 #11
You're right. It's a talent you learn to spot. Noodleboy13 Apr 2012 #35
one of us one of us SwampG8r Apr 2012 #44
K & R! proud2BlibKansan Apr 2012 #9
k&r Starry Messenger Apr 2012 #10
Need I mention Margaret Sanger? exboyfil Apr 2012 #12
We don't need an alternative obamanut2012 Apr 2012 #13
What standard to use for ploughing through 20,000 exboyfil Apr 2012 #15
A lot of people were eugenicists before 1945. aikoaiko Apr 2012 #14
If you think standardized testing is okay, proud2BlibKansan Apr 2012 #16
Maybe the tests were accurate, but the special education helped them? Honeycombe8 Apr 2012 #38
I don't understand your point about special ed proud2BlibKansan Apr 2012 #39
why do we need the MCATs? some future doctors may not do well Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #18
As. Did. Birth. Control. Tom Ripley Apr 2012 #20
You mean lysol douches? Quantess Apr 2012 #21
No, Margaret Sanger (and I have no problem with her efforts) Tom Ripley Apr 2012 #22
Oh. Well yes, she was a champion of access to birth control for poor women. Quantess Apr 2012 #23
other motivating factors: HiPointDem Apr 2012 #30
Birth control didn't originate in the eugenics movement. The promotion of birth control for the HiPointDem Apr 2012 #27
Exactly. Thank you for putting it so concisely. Quantess Apr 2012 #33
Alternatives? n/t LadyHawkAZ Apr 2012 #26
I'm going to guess that those tests have been changed over the years. Honeycombe8 Apr 2012 #37
Cultural bias has been found repeatedly in standardized tests proud2BlibKansan Apr 2012 #40
Not true. Some people have found bias. The tests... Honeycombe8 Apr 2012 #46
As for what I think we should do instead - proud2BlibKansan Apr 2012 #41
What about for everyone else? 4th law of robotics Apr 2012 #42
Portfolio assessment would work well for elementary proud2BlibKansan Apr 2012 #43
I don't think that should be in the hands of teachers. Talk about bias. Honeycombe8 Apr 2012 #47
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