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176. "faith" seems to be very shaky these days

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Wed Oct 15, 2014, 04:26 AM

Oct 2014

if they really, truly believe, why get so upset over what people have to say about it?

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Muslims are no Different, or why Bill Maher’s blood libel is Bigotry [View all] shaayecanaan Oct 2014 OP

Maher is one of those instances where people often confuse wit with wisdom Scootaloo Oct 2014 #1

Aptly put. n/t X_Digger Oct 2014 #2

"faith" seems to be very shaky these days Skittles Oct 2014 #176

Maher contra Greenwald on Muslims shaayecanaan Oct 2014 #3

That was incredibly well done by Greenwald. LawDeeDah Oct 2014 #4

To be fair hardcover Oct 2014 #6

I do remember some reference Bush and the gang made on this god thing. LawDeeDah Oct 2014 #7

Not saying he didn't but I remember him constantly saying Islam is a great religion. hardcover Oct 2014 #10

Absolute bullshit shaayecanaan Oct 2014 #41

All of those Christian sects are located in the ME, not Europe riderinthestorm Oct 2014 #49

Thats the whole point shaayecanaan Oct 2014 #50

which Muslim group in Europe has been slaughtered? nt riderinthestorm Oct 2014 #60

re shaayecanaan Oct 2014 #64

Vlad Tepes is a national hero in Romania, because he defeated the Turks. baldguy Oct 2014 #68

That is not completely true. hrmjustin Oct 2014 #84

Tell that to the Christians of the Middle East. hrmjustin Oct 2014 #81

No, that's bollocks Prophet 451 Oct 2014 #52

True. Like "Jewish" and "Talmud". riqster Oct 2014 #79

Maybe more like Judaism and Talmud? merrily Oct 2014 #129

Fair point. Thanks. riqster Oct 2014 #133

You're welcome! merrily Oct 2014 #134

Sharia is Islamic moral and religious law. merrily Oct 2014 #128

Yeah, it was discussed here Babel_17 Oct 2014 #86

One of W's and his cabinet's jen63 Oct 2014 #117

He did mention oil. Listen again 2:14. And he didn't say that we invaded Iraq because Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #8

So, the poster who accused Greenwald of being short on facts was short on facts. merrily Oct 2014 #127

Did you miss this....? Turborama Oct 2014 #18

He said a general said that BuelahWitch Oct 2014 #26

Ah yes. riqster Oct 2014 #80

How did we make out on the oil? merrily Oct 2014 #126

Islam is a bigoted, conservative religion... MellowDem Oct 2014 #5

Christianity is, for the most part a bigoted conservative religion. Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #9

Agree wholeheartedly, all the Abrahamic religions are... MellowDem Oct 2014 #11

There don't really need to be Scootaloo Oct 2014 #17

Brilliant truth. Thanks. closeupready Oct 2014 #21

I'll Dissent ProfessorGAC Oct 2014 #94

In the face of so many ignorant remarks on this topic, closeupready Oct 2014 #96

It's Still An Opinion ProfessorGAC Oct 2014 #97

Sorry, what question are you referring to? closeupready Oct 2014 #98

I won't argue Christianity is fucked up... MellowDem Oct 2014 #24

And now we're under the thumbs of five rightwing Catholic males on the Supreme Court. Arugula Latte Oct 2014 #108

The GOP is full of wannabe theocrats. CJCRANE Oct 2014 #19

Yes, it is. LawDeeDah Oct 2014 #12

I was raised as a Baptist FrodosPet Oct 2014 #42

Only because the law stops them Prophet 451 Oct 2014 #55

However you can leave Christianity and not get your head chopped off.. EX500rider Oct 2014 #33

No, you can leave Islam and do that Prophet 451 Oct 2014 #56

This message was self-deleted by its author Cayenne Oct 2014 #62

+1(nt) shaayecanaan Oct 2014 #65

There is a problem with the religions themselves. RedCappedBandit Oct 2014 #73

True Prophet 451 Oct 2014 #89

And what does that make Muslims, in your view? Terrible, regressive, fucked-up bigots. Scootaloo Oct 2014 #15

If you think conservatism is fucked up and bigoted... MellowDem Oct 2014 #22

not all stupid people are Consevatives... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #31

Do you feel the same way about anti-Semitism? shaayecanaan Oct 2014 #39

Isn't Semite an ethnicity? MellowDem Oct 2014 #43

Anti-Semitism generally means anti-Jewish sentiment (nt) shaayecanaan Oct 2014 #54

"If your god commanded the death of homosexuals, promoted slavery and ordered genocide," merrily Oct 2014 #131

He certainly ordered the death penalty for homosexuals shaayecanaan Oct 2014 #141

Are you speaking of the Koran or the Bible? merrily Oct 2014 #149

actually in the old testament it does. However it is not followed by the Judeo-Christians today still_one Oct 2014 #177

In which book and chapter of the Old Testament does God command humans to kill homosexuals? merrily Oct 2014 #182

Definitely in Leviticus. 20:13. still_one Oct 2014 #183

That is NOT a command to humans to kill homosexuals or to kill anyone. merrily Oct 2014 #184

You do not know what you are talking about. That is the old testament, in the first 5 books of still_one Oct 2014 #186

If it were "very clear, you would have been able to provide language I could interpret merrily Oct 2014 #189

Which part of "they shall be put to death don't you understand"? still_one Oct 2014 #190

By whom? When the bible says people shall burn in hell, does it mean that some human is supposed merrily Oct 2014 #191

Ignorance is bliss, huh still_one Oct 2014 #192

This message was self-deleted by its author still_one Oct 2014 #187

Okay. I did some additional checking. merrily Oct 2014 #152

Are there any religions that aren't? DanTex Oct 2014 #29

Buddhism? (nt) Nye Bevan Oct 2014 #32

Even they have a history of discimination gollygee Oct 2014 #72

Not sure if those in Sri Lanka would agree with your assessment still_one Oct 2014 #178

Look, if you're condemning all Abrahamic religions equally... Prophet 451 Oct 2014 #53

The god of Abraham, and of Isacc and of Ishmael...... Bluenorthwest Oct 2014 #87

OK, that's a fair question Prophet 451 Oct 2014 #88

Bill Maher has spent far more time condemning Christianity than Islam. Shoulders of Giants Oct 2014 #153

"Islam is a terribly regressive, fucked up, misogynistic religion" Rhinodawg Oct 2014 #63

That article is worth reading all the way through. Blue_In_AK Oct 2014 #13

+1,000 Scuba Oct 2014 #20

Does 'trying to live our lives' include giving children to men for marriage? randome Oct 2014 #28

Again, you are cherry-picking the extremist countries Blue_In_AK Oct 2014 #30

Actually no...laws against leaving Islam in 23 Islamic countries. EX500rider Oct 2014 #34

A couple of centuries ago... Prophet 451 Oct 2014 #58

All you keep doing is pointing leftynyc Oct 2014 #66

You're missing the point Prophet 451 Oct 2014 #71

But it IS illegal leftynyc Oct 2014 #78

No, you are Prophet 451 Oct 2014 #90

Sigh leftynyc Oct 2014 #95

No, they did not change Prophet 451 Oct 2014 #100

Seriously? leftynyc Oct 2014 #101

The country that is most notorious for criminalising homosexuality... shaayecanaan Oct 2014 #38

I'd say they were neck & neck with Iran. EX500rider Oct 2014 #45

EXACTLY! Prophet 451 Oct 2014 #59

Notorious for it being leftynyc Oct 2014 #67

You still want to claim its different? shaayecanaan Oct 2014 #69

Quite a few Muslim countries leftynyc Oct 2014 #70

look at the map shaayecanaan Oct 2014 #74

Getting snippy because someone leftynyc Oct 2014 #77

I called you on your own bullshit statement shaayecanaan Oct 2014 #109

No idea why you're quoting "exceedingly rare" leftynyc Oct 2014 #137

Probably because you used the word "rare" shaayecanaan Oct 2014 #138

Keep ignoring the reality leftynyc Oct 2014 #139

You keep ignoring it yourself shaayecanaan Oct 2014 #140

This is becoming surreal leftynyc Oct 2014 #146

As your link makes clear its not known whether they were executed for being gay. shaayecanaan Oct 2014 #150

Your continued deflection leftynyc Oct 2014 #158

Uganda did not impose a death penalty. There are 10 countries that have death penalty for gay people Bluenorthwest Oct 2014 #82

I would say most middle eastern countries also fit in that category also still_one Oct 2014 #188

there is much in CHRISTIAN culture that is abhorrent and should rightfully be condemned Prophet 451 Oct 2014 #57

This put Maher's bigotry in context: Bad Thoughts Oct 2014 #37

I don't have a problem with Muslims. I have a problem with Islam, as I have a problem NYC Liberal Oct 2014 #14

Equal opportunity disdain is fair n/t Prophet 451 Oct 2014 #61

Blood libel is an actual thing. Bonobo Oct 2014 #16

I caught that little tidbit too NightWatcher Oct 2014 #23

+1 hifiguy Oct 2014 #25

Fair enough shaayecanaan Oct 2014 #40

And once again leftynyc Oct 2014 #160

Sam Harris on Bill Maher.. Rhinodawg Oct 2014 #163

Maher's great get the red out Oct 2014 #27

I'm with affleck on this. Maher is a dipshit who needs to be pounded when he is an ass roguevalley Oct 2014 #35

K&R. Maher has been a bigot for a long time..nothing new in this area. n/t Jefferson23 Oct 2014 #36

Maher hates all religion. hrmjustin Oct 2014 #44

I hate all religion, and so does Maher, but... Ampersand Unicode Oct 2014 #46

History would beg to disagree shaayecanaan Oct 2014 #47

sorry, couldnt fit them all on the one page shaayecanaan Oct 2014 #48

Ridiculously deceptive numbers oberliner Oct 2014 #103

that has to be the most pathetic objection that you have ever made nt shaayecanaan Oct 2014 #115

Interesting that I don't see number of Muslims killed by Muslims in that assessment, nor do I see still_one Oct 2014 #179

read it again shaayecanaan Oct 2014 #180

Only because the law stops them Prophet 451 Oct 2014 #51

The law, which is made by people, stops them. That means people stop them. Bluenorthwest Oct 2014 #147

Maher made himself a right-wing GOD with his anti-Islamic comments. Paladin Oct 2014 #75

There is a problem with Islamic fundamentalism in the world today RedCappedBandit Oct 2014 #76

You got it - It's shame that lots of people can't see this. GoneOffShore Oct 2014 #83

The key word is "fundamentalism" Prophet 451 Oct 2014 #91

I agree and disagree. RedCappedBandit Oct 2014 #93

OK, we have a constructive dialogue here Prophet 451 Oct 2014 #99

All good points worth bringing in to the discussion! RedCappedBandit Oct 2014 #106

Yes, and its the responsibility of liberals here to contest the views of bigots like Maher (nt) shaayecanaan Oct 2014 #124

You're wrong and so is Cole. GoneOffShore Oct 2014 #85

Brilliant (nt) shaayecanaan Oct 2014 #107

So, I was going to craft a completely reasoned, cited and rational response to your OP GoneOffShore Oct 2014 #110

I am sure that it would have been a devastating response shaayecanaan Oct 2014 #116

Bet you didn't watch the Christopher Hitchens video either. GoneOffShore Oct 2014 #118

I had heard it before shaayecanaan Oct 2014 #119

+1. I discovered anecdotally from my thread "how many muslims do you know" closeupready Oct 2014 #120

Islam, more than any other religion at this time, GoneOffShore Oct 2014 #121

Wow. Even moderate Muslims ? Rhinodawg Oct 2014 #125

Look at the Pew poll. GoneOffShore Oct 2014 #130

So no-one's actually responsible for all those hangings of gay people? sibelian Oct 2014 #143

The imperialistic foreign policy of the US government and the incredibly powerful corporations... YoungDemCA Oct 2014 #92

Before you use the term "Blood Libel" please check what it is intaglio Oct 2014 #102

The usual crap from Juan Cole oberliner Oct 2014 #104

^This^ GoneOffShore Oct 2014 #111

and the usual pro forma response from you shaayecanaan Oct 2014 #114

Pro forma junk begets pro forma rebuttal. sibelian Oct 2014 #144

Juan Cole Rex Oct 2014 #105

And ^this^ GoneOffShore Oct 2014 #112

Bil has a blind spot for Holy Israel Principled Peter Oct 2014 #113

This is just a nasty, and unreasoning big of character assassiantion. True Blue Door Oct 2014 #122

Over 92% of Christian churches in America are racially segregated, whereas less than shaayecanaan Oct 2014 #123

Is he hoping to change Muslims with this tactic? If not, what is his objective? merrily Oct 2014 #132

I wish fellow progressives would stop.. Matrosov Oct 2014 #135

Off the top of my head shaayecanaan Oct 2014 #136

This all just junk. sibelian Oct 2014 #145

That's fine... shaayecanaan Oct 2014 #151

Here's what Islam does to gay people: sibelian Oct 2014 #161

Was it REALLY necessary implying he's a "racist"? Really? Rhinodawg Oct 2014 #162

Was it necessary to imply I'm a homophobe? shaayecanaan Oct 2014 #164

2014 Nevernose Oct 2014 #154

There is no Christian organization today that is pouring hundreds of billions of dollars into JCMach1 Oct 2014 #142

Nope, no different than any other group that uses a religion as excuse to harm and pillage others Bluenorthwest Oct 2014 #148

Purists/radicals/fanatics. moondust Oct 2014 #155

re shaayecanaan Oct 2014 #156

Holy wars and tribal conflicts? moondust Oct 2014 #157

Syntax and grammar? shaayecanaan Oct 2014 #159

Off the top of your head, moondust Oct 2014 #167

Yes, Srebrenica was really just a picnic in the park shaayecanaan Oct 2014 #168

Again no mention of Christians. moondust Oct 2014 #169

Yes, perhaps the Serbs were Buddhists or Zoroastrians shaayecanaan Oct 2014 #171

Correct me if I an wrong, Rhinodawg Oct 2014 #173

Bill Maher’s horrible excuse: Why his defense of Islamophobia just doesn’t make any sense shaayecanaan Oct 2014 #165

Blah,Blah,Blah Rhinodawg Oct 2014 #170

And now the racists finally expose themselves... shaayecanaan Oct 2014 #172

A lot of people do believe that... Rhinodawg Oct 2014 #174

Rhinodawg was on top of the Eurabia thing as soon as they arrived at DU.. Violet_Crumble Oct 2014 #175

Thanks for the heads up shaayecanaan Oct 2014 #181

This message was self-deleted by its author Jefferson23 Oct 2014 #166

Again, "blood libel" is an actual thing, not a vague thing, a real actual thing. Bonobo Oct 2014 #185

Yes, it is. Behind the Aegis Oct 2014 #193

You made the exact same statement upthread... shaayecanaan Oct 2014 #194

I mistakenly thought this was a new OP. nt Bonobo Oct 2014 #195