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Violet_Crumble

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5. You don't have a point...

Reply to ProdigalJunkMail (Reply #4)

Sat Oct 11, 2014, 08:41 AM

Oct 2014

You've ignored the article, which was about abuse of Muslim women in Australia, and tried to divert it away from that.

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Women bear brunt of Islamophobia [View all] Violet_Crumble Oct 2014 OP

women also bear the brunt of Islam... ProdigalJunkMail Oct 2014 #1

The article's about Islamophobia in Australia... Violet_Crumble Oct 2014 #2

and yet my point stands... ProdigalJunkMail Oct 2014 #4

You don't have a point... Violet_Crumble Oct 2014 #5

nope... i ignored nothing ProdigalJunkMail Oct 2014 #6

You haven't said anything about the Islamophobia aimed at women in Australia... Violet_Crumble Oct 2014 #7

ok... let's try this again ProdigalJunkMail Oct 2014 #8

No, yr still not talking about it... Violet_Crumble Oct 2014 #10

Islamophobia is the biggest problem CJCRANE Oct 2014 #11

no... it's not... but keep on believing that... n/t ProdigalJunkMail Oct 2014 #12

Okay, what do you think is the biggest problem Australian Muslim women face as Muslims? Violet_Crumble Oct 2014 #13

that they are mired in a religion that treats them as worse than chattel... ProdigalJunkMail Oct 2014 #15

I'm pretty sure Australian Muslim women would disagree with you Violet_Crumble Oct 2014 #19

They are pummeled from all sides AgingAmerican Oct 2014 #64

I dunno. Maybe you should try reading the OP I posted. It was about Islamophobia in Australia... Violet_Crumble Oct 2014 #102

I did read it AgingAmerican Oct 2014 #108

So you just don't want to talk about the attacks on those women. Okay... Violet_Crumble Oct 2014 #110

Do you know any Australian muslim women? CJCRANE Oct 2014 #35

yes... do you? ProdigalJunkMail Oct 2014 #36

No but I think being attacked by racists CJCRANE Oct 2014 #39

once again... bigots... not racists. ProdigalJunkMail Oct 2014 #43

I have worked with them for years AgingAmerican Oct 2014 #66

I understand what you are saying. xxqqqzme Oct 2014 #50

You are disingenuously narrowing the topic almost to the point of parody. WinkyDink Oct 2014 #87

The topic was Islamophobic attacks in Australia... Violet_Crumble Oct 2014 #103

I don't remember seeing leftynyc Oct 2014 #121

Perhaps you think they'd have it better in Muslim countries? WinkyDink Oct 2014 #85

you're right - the bigger problem women under islam face is being killed by relatives samsingh Oct 2014 #27

So beating up muslim women by racists is okay CJCRANE Oct 2014 #38

they're not racists... they're bigots... ProdigalJunkMail Oct 2014 #41

Islam is a set of beliefs. Race and sexual orientation are a matter of nature. PeaceNikki Oct 2014 #49

it's not okay. i'm not dehumanizing them. but i'm not going to ignore the reality samsingh Oct 2014 #54

Fair enough CJCRANE Oct 2014 #56

we never should have supported the likes of saddam samsingh Oct 2014 #57

He was a bad guy but he kept a lid on the fundies. CJCRANE Oct 2014 #59

What we should not have done is attack him. WinkyDink Oct 2014 #89

Why are you trying to control AgingAmerican Oct 2014 #63

Huh? Violet_Crumble Oct 2014 #104

+1...nt SidDithers Oct 2014 #3

Agreed. Misogyny is rampant in most religions. PeaceNikki Oct 2014 #14

indeed... n/t ProdigalJunkMail Oct 2014 #16

I detest all religions. To me they all suspend arthritisR_US Oct 2014 #75

Nailed it. NCTraveler Oct 2014 #119

this is an excellent point. cali Oct 2014 #9

Yep, that sucks. LostInAnomie Oct 2014 #17

this ^ PeaceNikki Oct 2014 #18

This ^^^^ Rhinodawg Oct 2014 #20

Australia isn't a Muslim country, though n/t Violet_Crumble Oct 2014 #21

Yep, that's why they don't face... LostInAnomie Oct 2014 #22

Well the ops about attacks by bigots on Australian women Violet_Crumble Oct 2014 #24

I don't think anyone is justifying ridicule or cruelty, only pointing out the fact that if one is PeaceNikki Oct 2014 #29

thank you... well said n/t ProdigalJunkMail Oct 2014 #33

They are the most visible targets of Islam AgingAmerican Oct 2014 #68

I think minimising it would be a better way of putting it... Violet_Crumble Oct 2014 #105

I think that the title of this piece invites discussion on the treatment of women *within* Islam PeaceNikki Oct 2014 #115

i can't forget the innocent girls being stoned to death for talking to a male in Pakistan or Afgan samsingh Oct 2014 #31

I've believed Islam is a religion of Peace... Rhinodawg Oct 2014 #113

at one point i thought all religions had merit, wanted the same thing, and were equal samsingh Oct 2014 #118

"Outrage by the believers of peace" ? Rhinodawg Oct 2014 #120

and also notice that many of the believers don't subscribe to violence samsingh Oct 2014 #122

The juxtaposition is valid. LostInAnomie Oct 2014 #32

And what is portrayed in this article edhopper Oct 2014 #44

"... they really bear the brunt of Islam." Rhinodawg Oct 2014 #62

All too true. randome Oct 2014 #46

I think the bigger issue is that neocons CJCRANE Oct 2014 #52

on this you and i agree ProdigalJunkMail Oct 2014 #55

Indeed. nt Crabby Appleton Oct 2014 #23

you are right samsingh Oct 2014 #30

Yep. hifiguy Oct 2014 #65

In general men don't get attacked in a crowd arthritisR_US Oct 2014 #71

So... a lot of things that happen in the Christian parts of Africa, too. bobclark86 Oct 2014 #80

True. But it's always easier to blame stuff on the other guy's religion. n/t nomorenomore08 Oct 2014 #82

I'm an atheist. LostInAnomie Oct 2014 #91

True, but I'm a nonbeliever myself, and my first reaction to the OP was to feel sympathy nomorenomore08 Oct 2014 #93

That's why it's nice to be able to walk and chew gum at the same time. LostInAnomie Oct 2014 #94

So long as the latter isn't used to downplay the former, I agree. nomorenomore08 Oct 2014 #95

And? LostInAnomie Oct 2014 #90

Good to see places like... bobclark86 Oct 2014 #98

That anti-liberal hateful violent misogynist list Rhinodawg Oct 2014 #114

Weird. Maybe they are more identifiable than the men treestar Oct 2014 #25

Yeah I suspect that'd be it Violet_Crumble Oct 2014 #26

Is there much anti-immigrant sentiment in Australia? treestar Oct 2014 #28

Tony Abbot is a neocon from what I can tell. CJCRANE Oct 2014 #45

Historically, Australia has been very racist in their immigration quotas. KitSileya Oct 2014 #47

Yes, it's pretty rampant... Violet_Crumble Oct 2014 #106

I'm continually astounded these days Crunchy Frog Oct 2014 #34

and which sentiment in this thread is outright RW, pray-tell... ProdigalJunkMail Oct 2014 #37

You're one of many that I have on "manual ignore". Crunchy Frog Oct 2014 #40

ah, facts are a problem for you then... ProdigalJunkMail Oct 2014 #42

Yours, silly. Every fucking one of them. CBGLuthier Oct 2014 #60

yeah, pointing out the atrocities carried out by countries ProdigalJunkMail Oct 2014 #61

As a method of deflecting from the abuse Muslim women face in Australia? Scootaloo Oct 2014 #78

what the fuck are you talking about ProdigalJunkMail Oct 2014 #81

Pay attention to your posts Scootaloo Oct 2014 #83

i know exactly what i posted and not once was there any sort of justification ProdigalJunkMail Oct 2014 #84

I read exactly what you posted Scootaloo Oct 2014 #86

Pointing out the plight edhopper Oct 2014 #48

Criticizing the religion itself, pointing out its barbaric tenets PeaceNikki Oct 2014 #53

BRAVO!!! hifiguy Oct 2014 #69

Except when all you know about someone is that htey are Muslim... Scootaloo Oct 2014 #79

get a grip. PeaceNikki Oct 2014 #96

"The enemy of my enemy is my friend" is a ridiculous simplistic notion. And wrong. PeaceNikki Oct 2014 #58

The bigotry is pretty disgusting. People respond to an article about the victims of anti-Muslim Chathamization Oct 2014 #72

It's just like if someone were to post about antisemitic attacks in a Western country Crunchy Frog Oct 2014 #97

You got one part right. Behind the Aegis Oct 2014 #107

Lol. Rhinodawg Oct 2014 #116

I don't have the links, but I *do* recall hearing here that no woman could possibly *choose* MisterP Oct 2014 #73

This isn't just a problem for the Muslim women, it is a problem for Australia. KitSileya Oct 2014 #51

Agreed, thanks for the article. K&R closeupready Oct 2014 #67

WTF? Who does this sort of thing? ZombieHorde Oct 2014 #70

Who does that sort of thing? arthritisR_US Oct 2014 #76

Meaningless insult. ZombieHorde Oct 2014 #77

Wrong, going after women is cowardice. nt arthritisR_US Oct 2014 #100

it is very disturbing behavior Skittles Oct 2014 #101

Here's an article about Australia's intense wave of anti gay attacks, 1985-1999. At least 50 dead. Bluenorthwest Oct 2014 #74

I've read about that before. Really horrific stuff. nomorenomore08 Oct 2014 #92

Thanks for posting that article... Violet_Crumble Oct 2014 #109

They really do get it from all sides, so to speak. nomorenomore08 Oct 2014 #88

in the US it's Sikh Men JI7 Oct 2014 #99

The fearmongering about ISIS was bound to bring out reactionaries... countryjake Oct 2014 #111

I've yet to meet an Islamic woman that did not possess daggers in their tongue. alphafemale Oct 2014 #112

yes, which is why i dont believe islamaphobia comes from a desire to protect muslim women La Lioness Priyanka Oct 2014 #117