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103. Not comparable to the US

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Hi DU! I'll be voting in the Scottish Independence Referendum on Thursday... [View all] sibelian Sep 2014 OP

How is it looking? malaise Sep 2014 #1

It depends very much on who you listen to sibelian Sep 2014 #4

The Daily Heil has gone even more batshit insane than usual nxylas Sep 2014 #14

I'm sure you're not making it up sibelian Sep 2014 #19

Rooting for you malaise Sep 2014 #142

I can't imagine that JustAnotherGen Sep 2014 #2

"If you are successful - may this serve as an example for others." sibelian Sep 2014 #5

I'm in NY - LiberalElite Sep 2014 #31

I'm from the greater Rochester Area JustAnotherGen Sep 2014 #40

That was my first thought. I would not want my state to secede but I would vote for some others to jwirr Sep 2014 #75

Having lived in upstate NY for a while jeff47 Sep 2014 #79

The land of the hard flat A's JustAnotherGen Sep 2014 #82

It could never get bad enough. I'm an American first, Nutmegger second. NutmegYankee Sep 2014 #3

I do wonder if it's just a question of scale... sibelian Sep 2014 #8

Scotland also has a history as an independent nation. NutmegYankee Sep 2014 #15

Took the words out of my mouth. riqster Sep 2014 #45

Do it for William! FourScore Sep 2014 #137

what's your sense of the vote? Yea or Nay? cali Sep 2014 #6

Don't know! sibelian Sep 2014 #7

I don't think happier reflects ahead, so much as hope magical thyme Sep 2014 #39

It seems very much that way to me, too. sibelian Sep 2014 #123

If California and some other states were to secede Promethean Sep 2014 #9

But could we move to California if it were to secede? Would it have "European-style" immigration pampango Sep 2014 #11

"the civil war I fear is coming" - I hear that so often, Promethean. sibelian Sep 2014 #12

I see it as a possibility, not an inevitiability Promethean Sep 2014 #17

However those factions are not geographically distributed in a manner supporting DebJ Sep 2014 #47

Or a have - have not split. jwirr Sep 2014 #78

Both. As evidenced by the have-nots who support the haves screwing them over. DebJ Sep 2014 #89

That I completely agree with you on. We would be required to fight our next door neighbor in some jwirr Sep 2014 #90

Secession or devolution of some federal powers to individual states. Divernan Sep 2014 #25

I wonder of Pago Pago would want to secede? Kablooie Sep 2014 #26

not the same thing JI7 Sep 2014 #10

? Not sure what you're saying J17 sibelian Sep 2014 #13

Though the current autonomy that Scotland has is probably slightly less than a US state muriel_volestrangler Sep 2014 #21

That chart would be fascinating if it was readable. Demit Sep 2014 #42

There is a 'download' option on the right, but it's enormous - 12740x7800 muriel_volestrangler Sep 2014 #57

It would have to be absolutely terrible Dorian Gray Sep 2014 #16

It's a momentous decision. I took years over arriving to where I am now. sibelian Sep 2014 #22

Well Dorian Gray Sep 2014 #23

"Screeching lunatics that hate poor people..." 3catwoman3 Sep 2014 #56

Very cool, I hope YES prevails. Good luck. n/t seaglass Sep 2014 #18

Thank you, seaglass. sibelian Sep 2014 #20

I hope that No prevails. Richard_uk Sep 2014 #28

The Southern states of the US are not really comparable to nations merrily Sep 2014 #33

Yes of course it is an issue for the Scottish to make, there are no consequences to me for my seaglass Sep 2014 #38

I think southern states would very much consider the practical issues, and stay. Demit Sep 2014 #48

Well, I guess if Lincoln had said to the South, "OK, have a referendum, Nye Bevan Sep 2014 #24

It was not up to him to say that. The Constitution was a compact among all merrily Sep 2014 #29

Maybe not rpannier Sep 2014 #32

Hi! Congrats on your opportunity to vote. merrily Sep 2014 #27

Actually, the Texas secession clause is a myth. NuclearDem Sep 2014 #49

Good to know. I had read it somewhere before I ever heard Perry's name. merrily Sep 2014 #51

No problem! NuclearDem Sep 2014 #52

The edited post preserves my error and your correction, so merrily Sep 2014 #54

Good point, but Lithuania had no "right" to secede from the Soviet Union, either derby378 Sep 2014 #130

Well, they actually had more of a legal right to secede than Texas. NuclearDem Sep 2014 #131

However, there are similarities: the Scottish Parliament voted to join the union muriel_volestrangler Sep 2014 #64

Did it vote to join the union with a concomitant commitment not to "unjoin," though? merrily Sep 2014 #65

Since it gave up its parliament, there were no such things as referendums then, and the monarch muriel_volestrangler Sep 2014 #67

Giving up one's parliament is not a commitment never to separate. merrily Sep 2014 #68

Your post confuses me muriel_volestrangler Sep 2014 #74

So sorry. "no" was omitted inadvertently. merrily Sep 2014 #76

Oh, dear. I am not literally foraging, just going to a store to buy food. merrily Sep 2014 #81

I don't really see that the situation in Scotland is "bad enough", honestly Spider Jerusalem Sep 2014 #30

States CANNOT secede in the US. MohRokTah Sep 2014 #34

I study regionalism and separatism. The Unionist are doing everything ... Bad Thoughts Sep 2014 #35

Since I live in the south get the red out Sep 2014 #36

It seems that the Republican governors are doing their... 3catwoman3 Sep 2014 #58

YES get the red out Sep 2014 #61

Good luck to you and your fellow country people davidpdx Sep 2014 #37

I wish Scotland well, having Scots ancestors on both sides, whatever the outcome of the referendum Glorfindel Sep 2014 #41

I hope the "yes" vote prevails... dorkzilla Sep 2014 #43

No, we fought a civil war to settle that question. States aren't sufrommich Sep 2014 #44

Hi sibelian! truebluegreen Sep 2014 #46

"How could the countryside secede from the cities?" - very interesting question, I had't thought of sibelian Sep 2014 #100

Yes, I think so. truebluegreen Sep 2014 #114

Hope the yes vote goes through. NuclearDem Sep 2014 #50

My state voted overwhelmingly for "independence" back in 1861 Art_from_Ark Sep 2014 #53

I am ignorant. sibelian Sep 2014 #102

The Arkansas state legislature voted to secede from the Union in 1861 Art_from_Ark Sep 2014 #121

Well, that I did not know. sibelian Sep 2014 #133

I've often wondered that myself Art_from_Ark Sep 2014 #140

I hope a Yes vote will inspire other independence movements, around the world! nt Romulox Sep 2014 #55

As an American with strong emotional ties to Ireland Maeve Sep 2014 #59

US states are administrative divisions created by bureaucrats, LeftinOH Sep 2014 #60

Best wishes to you, sibelian. I am rooting for you Zorra Sep 2014 #62

Thank you, Zorra. sibelian Sep 2014 #118

My state has already seceeded. Baitball Blogger Sep 2014 #63

DUzy! OneGrassRoot Sep 2014 #128

Best of luck to the people of Scotland! YoungDemCA Sep 2014 #66

Cheers, YDC sibelian Sep 2014 #119

Groundskeeper Willie stands in solidarity with you Brother Buzz Sep 2014 #69

LOL! yeah I saw that sibelian Sep 2014 #104

I've gotta admit, the idea of living in Cascadia appeals to me Arugula Latte Sep 2014 #70

Nice sounding nationality, too. sibelian Sep 2014 #138

Exactly! Arugula Latte Sep 2014 #143

I would vote yes Marrah_G Sep 2014 #71

Sibelian, tell me how this can possibly work for Scotland? CTyankee Sep 2014 #72

His argument rest on making a comparison between two economies sibelian Sep 2014 #85

But what about his argument about the money you will use if you depart from the pound and CTyankee Sep 2014 #93

The only other realistic alternative is a Scottish pound. sibelian Sep 2014 #99

I want California, Oregon, and Washington to secede. Zorra Sep 2014 #73

Throw Hawai'i and maybe Alaska in there KamaAina Sep 2014 #80

Hawaii works for me, AK is would be great, but I don't think they'd go for it. nt Zorra Sep 2014 #94

Well, they do have an Alaskan Independence Party. KamaAina Sep 2014 #98

Wow, do they? sibelian Sep 2014 #105

How about, California, Oregon, Washington, and, British Columbia? Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2014 #83

Left Coast if the best coast. BC works for me! Zorra Sep 2014 #95

I'd vote for Oregon to secede tomorrow if it came up. Maedhros Sep 2014 #77

Hope yes wins, good luck ! nt steve2470 Sep 2014 #84

I'd vote for California independence in a heartbeat Dems to Win Sep 2014 #86

Best wishes to Scotland, no matter which way. politicat Sep 2014 #87

I would never. Nt. Agschmid Sep 2014 #88

I'm all marions ghost Sep 2014 #91

It's kinda freaky. sibelian Sep 2014 #101

He grants you all your wishes zipplewrath Sep 2014 #92

We think we're probably an anomaly. sibelian Sep 2014 #107

Self determination... sendero Sep 2014 #96

I live in Texas...we have morans by the dozen here that bray about seceding from the US. Rex Sep 2014 #97

Not comparable to the US still_one Sep 2014 #103

If by some freak occurance Republicans controled the federal government entirely again Kalidurga Sep 2014 #106

Good for you, I hope you are all successful! sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #108

Thanks sabrina! sibelian Sep 2014 #125

apples and oranges DonCoquixote Sep 2014 #109

yes, that's the thing about the US . even if the South and Northeast may consider themselves JI7 Sep 2014 #110

Yes... sibelian Sep 2014 #111

it goes beyond that DonCoquixote Sep 2014 #112

Right. Scotland's history-- marions ghost Sep 2014 #120

Good for you! Bravo! Go Scotland! Justitia Sep 2014 #113

Enjoy David Cameron's reelection and the permanent Tory majority tenderfoot Sep 2014 #115

Well, if a permanent Tory majority results from Scottish independence sibelian Sep 2014 #116

Also - Cameron re-elected? sibelian Sep 2014 #117

Hi sibelian. lovemydog Sep 2014 #122

Going out to vote just now! sibelian Sep 2014 #124

ha ha-- good luck today marions ghost Sep 2014 #126

I wish Scotland the fredamae Sep 2014 #127

Pardon my ignorance, but, are there plans in place to protect the nuclear arsenal? blm Sep 2014 #129

The SNP want rid of them altogether. sibelian Sep 2014 #132

I wonder where UK will move them. blm Sep 2014 #134

If the situation in my state became that bad Blue_Tires Sep 2014 #135

Watching closely and hoping for a Yes. woo me with science Sep 2014 #136

Thanks woo. sibelian Sep 2014 #139

good for you. (said it a cheery voice, not in snark) nt La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2014 #141