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BzaDem

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100. Even so, I don't see why sharing the thoughts about the merits of the case is a problem.

Wed Apr 11, 2012, 08:49 PM

Apr 2012

Innocent before proven guilty is a principle of our legal system. It is not to make independent analysis a thoughtcrime. It is not meant to imply a suppression on speech or thought, even as a judgement call.

Every day, people get arrested. News about that arrest spreads far and wide. People look at the evidence, and they can't help but put together the information in their head.

Aggregating information in your head, and posting about that information, is not necessarily a bad thing. Discussion is not a bad thing. What would be a bad thing is if the jurors on the case followed the case in advance and were predisposed to make a particular verdict. But our legal system is very good at getting an untainted jury. I still think more people here would be outraged if someone who they thought was guilty didn't get a fair trial.

In any case, I think if he was arrested at the time, there would not be nearly the controversy.

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So will DU let the facts in the Zimmerman case be presented? [View all] johnnie Apr 2012 OP

WTF? denem Apr 2012 #1

TMI johnnie Apr 2012 #13

Yes, an absolute RASH of CONCERN posts here right now. WTF indeed. n/t K Gardner Apr 2012 #16

What An Odd Thing To Be Concerned Over, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2012 #2

It's not odd johnnie Apr 2012 #21

I think the majority want a fair trial. That's what has been missing. Scuba Apr 2012 #30

No johnnie Apr 2012 #42

You Made a Funny, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2012 #44

A "fart" joke? johnnie Apr 2012 #48

Hmm. A deliberate insult, since you've certainly been around long enough DevonRex Apr 2012 #54

And since you are a newbee johnnie Apr 2012 #57

I don't believe I shall, having been here all of 4-odd years. DevonRex Apr 2012 #63

A collective DU orgasm has been missing also. uppityperson Apr 2012 #61

I'm a he. johnnie Apr 2012 #72

asparagus and all that uppityperson Apr 2012 #75

Mmmmm asparagus johnnie Apr 2012 #97

"casting aspargus" reference, old Duism time. uppityperson Apr 2012 #99

Do you have any FACTS to back up your assertion? GeorgeGist Apr 2012 #116

the Facts are being considered which is why people think he is guilty JI7 Apr 2012 #3

Zimmerman has not be charged with a capital crime. Jim__ Apr 2012 #4

Questions about orgasms belong in the Lounge, no? Nothing pleasing about this case. freshwest Apr 2012 #25

It would be the first non-capital death sentence in history! pinboy3niner Apr 2012 #34

Got my pitchfork and just lit the torch. I'm ready. AtomicKitten Apr 2012 #5

DU is not a court of law. Daniel537 Apr 2012 #6

Oh stop.... .. hlthe2b Apr 2012 #7

Ok johnnie Apr 2012 #24

Let's out it this way: George Zimmerman shot and killed Trayvon Martin. hedgehog Apr 2012 #8

I am wondering if other DUers will allow DU to talk, and speculate, as they wish. ScreamingMeemie Apr 2012 #9

Yap until your little heart desires johnnie Apr 2012 #27

I don't believe I am "yapping". In fact I just got back from dinner. ScreamingMeemie Apr 2012 #35

Here comes the Judge! Order in the Innertubes! freshwest Apr 2012 #41

Not being on the jury, DUers can do whatever they want jberryhill Apr 2012 #10

Um, yes. liberalmuse Apr 2012 #11

I don't have any hope or desire to see him face the Death Penalty, but justice would be nice. n/t teddy51 Apr 2012 #12

Givem the information I have my mind is made up. nt rrneck Apr 2012 #14

Yes...because DU is preventing the facts from being presented Cali_Democrat Apr 2012 #15

And I'm discussing johnnie Apr 2012 #32

Sounds more like "yapping" to me. ScreamingMeemie Apr 2012 #38

And that's fine Cali_Democrat Apr 2012 #50

I have no problem with that johnnie Apr 2012 #59

It's not that it's against the grain... CJCRANE Apr 2012 #69

Bingo. TroglodyteScholar Apr 2012 #83

I would use a somewhat different verb to describe it. 2ndAmForComputers Apr 2012 #108

" the majority of DU will have a collective orgasm if Zimmerman is sentenced to death" wtf? You miss uppityperson Apr 2012 #17

He wasn't going to walk away from this johnnie Apr 2012 #33

He DID walk away from this until media brought enough attention to it. uppityperson Apr 2012 #45

not really into it, so about the quinnox Apr 2012 #18

Are there that many people here who support the death penalty? OriginalGeek Apr 2012 #19

I was wondering the same thing. Iris Apr 2012 #70

I've made up my mind NoGOPZone Apr 2012 #20

... gateley Apr 2012 #28

I think I'll pass, thanks... freshwest Apr 2012 #51

As far as I'm concerned bowens43 Apr 2012 #22

Is there a completely different message board called DU that I don't know about? n/t Ian David Apr 2012 #23

Yeah johnnie Apr 2012 #37

For openers, the charge of Murder 2 carries a life sentence, not the death penalty KamaAina Apr 2012 #26

Haven't they? TransitJohn Apr 2012 #29

Awe all we want are the facts, period. But here it is Johnnie. southernyankeebelle Apr 2012 #31

They tell him not to follow and he says "ok" johnnie Apr 2012 #39

His girlfriend said he was following him. So no he didn't turn back. southernyankeebelle Apr 2012 #47

um, yeah there is proof he kept after him magical thyme Apr 2012 #76

Is that you, Mr. Cochran, posting from beyond the grave? amandabeech Apr 2012 #36

No johnnie Apr 2012 #40

Thanks for responding. amandabeech Apr 2012 #93

Either was mine johnnie Apr 2012 #98

I had no idea DU was so rabidly in favor of the death penalty. provis99 Apr 2012 #43

You may not have noticed that there is a wide variety of opinion on DU. tabatha Apr 2012 #46

I've been here a few years johnnie Apr 2012 #53

No one will shut you down...you can keep on yapping away. CJCRANE Apr 2012 #64

That kind of beating takes place in any group where the majority have the same opinion. tabatha Apr 2012 #66

I don't believe in the death penalty, period. I think that is the easy way out. He isn't going to southernyankeebelle Apr 2012 #49

Many progressives don't believe in the dp (including me) johnnie Apr 2012 #55

well sometimes we get frustrated and that is the way people deal with things. I just southernyankeebelle Apr 2012 #62

I've been beating up on the Zimmerman Fan Club for three weeks alcibiades_mystery Apr 2012 #52

I would be shocked if Zimmerman were sentenced to death. obxhead Apr 2012 #56

Well bless your lil ole heart... DevonRex Apr 2012 #58

Um...there is a factual error in your OP CJCRANE Apr 2012 #60

He's checking on whether orgasms can really be collective right now. DevonRex Apr 2012 #65

. johnnie Apr 2012 #67

See, made you smile. DevonRex Apr 2012 #71

Yup johnnie Apr 2012 #73

So do I. DevonRex Apr 2012 #79

Well, not since DU got rid of the mods' hot tub pinboy3niner Apr 2012 #77

OMG DevonRex Apr 2012 #90

I don't think DU has anything to do with the trial that may take place. MineralMan Apr 2012 #68

Is it me, or was the controversy over the fact that he hadn't been arrested? BzaDem Apr 2012 #74

I saw most posts about the white man coward Zimmy... johnnie Apr 2012 #81

Even so, I don't see why sharing the thoughts about the merits of the case is a problem. BzaDem Apr 2012 #100

I didn't see that post OriginalGeek Apr 2012 #107

Four things don't seem to be in dispute Warpy Apr 2012 #78

Silly. H2O Man Apr 2012 #80

Ziiippppp johnnie Apr 2012 #85

That is a relief! H2O Man Apr 2012 #87

I've already made up my mind Raine Apr 2012 #82

Actually Johnnie, per prosecutor nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #84

You've made up your mind. Iggo Apr 2012 #86

No one here's stopping the facts from being presented. Orsino Apr 2012 #88

Thanks all johnnie Apr 2012 #89

For Someone Not Trying To Be A Dick, Sir, You Are Doing One Helluva Job The Magistrate Apr 2012 #92

Yeah see... johnnie Apr 2012 #95

I did NOT want to kick this stupid OP up, but I had to ^5 the Magistrate for another K Gardner Apr 2012 #111

"Most of the time DU can be a huge circle jerk" - thanks for being honest got root Apr 2012 #102

Since I won't be a juror, why can't I speculate? obamanut2012 Apr 2012 #91

Hi Johnnie! XanaDUer Apr 2012 #94

Me too! johnnie Apr 2012 #96

She handled the press conference professionally XanaDUer Apr 2012 #103

what is that supposed to mean? Folks were rightfully outraged at how this case was mishandled got root Apr 2012 #101

There is no possibility of a death sentence. I'm against it, anyway. yardwork Apr 2012 #104

Not much. Poster has not apologized for a blanket accusation that DUers wanted death when most of us stevenleser Apr 2012 #106

The only fact that matters in this case is shimonitanegi Apr 2012 #105

If the glove doesn't fit, you must acquit. Life Long Dem Apr 2012 #109

They haven't, so far... Fla_Democrat Apr 2012 #110

I don't think we can know the facts since Trayvon is dead. jp11 Apr 2012 #112

Murder charges mean that it's extremely likely that murder has occurred BanTheGOP Apr 2012 #113

"I think that Zimmerman is guilty of murder of some degree" grantcart Apr 2012 #114

I'm glad that he will at least face the justice system fujiyama Apr 2012 #115