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another_liberal

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12. Who is defending anyone?

Sun Aug 24, 2014, 10:45 AM

Aug 2014

I like to quote news sources which provide alternate and otherwise unobtainable, independent points of view. I think it broadens the context of our World generally, and enriches the experience of following the news. That does not, however, mean I support any given source's editorial agenda.

Don't jump to conclusions so quickly, OK?

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Anti-Kiev separatists score major successes against loyal forces near Donetsk. [View all] another_liberal Aug 2014 OP

... according to RT...nt SidDithers Aug 2014 #1

Amazing . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #2

Amazing... pinboy3niner Aug 2014 #3

Isn't it great that Western Media never does that? another_liberal Aug 2014 #4

Yes, the free western media certainly have their faults pinboy3niner Aug 2014 #6

Who is defending anyone? another_liberal Aug 2014 #12

Funny thing is that the only news sources you post are those IronGate Aug 2014 #51

There are plenty of people beating the war drums already . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #99

So, IOW, you can't link to a legitimate source claiming this? IronGate Aug 2014 #100

I get it, already . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #101

If RT is so reliable, IronGate Aug 2014 #102

They have not informed me yet of their reasons . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #103

So, we're back to where we started? IronGate Aug 2014 #104

Nor Will Any, Sir, Because It Has Not Happened The Magistrate Aug 2014 #107

Were you there? another_liberal Aug 2014 #108

An Event On The Scale Claimed, Sir, Would Be Widely Reported The Magistrate Aug 2014 #109

Perhaps someday it will be "widely reported" . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #110

In That Great Bye And Bye, We Will All Meet In The Sky, Sir The Magistrate Aug 2014 #111

Yeah, sure . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #112

Hang Tight, Sir: The Bridge Will Be Delivered Any Day Now.... The Magistrate Aug 2014 #113

Dammit! another_liberal Aug 2014 #114

You May Not Be Aware, Sir, But That Is Hardly A Rebuttal The Magistrate Aug 2014 #7

Have there been any defeats of their (RT.com's) "favored forces"? While I have VanGoghRocks Aug 2014 #9

I think many Western Ukrainians believe it is stupid policy . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #13

Most armed conflicts nowadays end in some kind of negotiated settlement. The days of U.S. Grant's VanGoghRocks Aug 2014 #15

The Russian proxies also paraded their POWs through the streets. sufrommich Aug 2014 #5

That is ugly indeed . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #10

Because god knows the rebels haven't participated in anything warlike mythology Aug 2014 #41

Well, clearly these fine "freedom fighters" are staunch believers in the Geneva Convention. Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2014 #8

After what Kiev has made those people endure . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #11

These are the acts of the seperatist movement, not innocent civilians. Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2014 #21

The Ukrainian government is doing far worse than staging distasteful parades. another_liberal Aug 2014 #29

That's rich nationalize the fed Aug 2014 #14

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! malaise Aug 2014 #16

Yes, because clearly as a private American citizen I am prohibited from speaking out... Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2014 #19

no, but you may be considered to clean house first reorg Aug 2014 #42

First, I'm not even a Ukrainian citizen, let alone a member of their government. Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2014 #88

you are clearly supporting the Ukrainian government reorg Aug 2014 #90

To the extent that the Ukrainian military has been involved in any type of reckless shelling... Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2014 #94

logical fallacy of tu quoque indeed treestar Aug 2014 #83

The entire Catherina Crowd is just a walking encyclopedia of logical fallacies. nt Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2014 #86

Figures, more tu quoque bullshit. NuclearDem Aug 2014 #43

Well, clearly the Banderite putschistas are staunch believers in human rights. VanGoghRocks Aug 2014 #17

Has a certain DUer gone west to the Netherlands on his DU vacation? Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2014 #20

Red-bait much? VanGoghRocks Aug 2014 #22

Regardless, you seem to have a rather twisted view of events of the Odessa riots.... Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2014 #24

Sigh. Denies dozens were burned alive or died of smoke inhalation in VanGoghRocks Aug 2014 #26

In addition to those who were strangled or shot reorg Aug 2014 #39

Double sigh. Show me where I "denied" anything. Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2014 #48

Like all neo-liberal Russophobes, you provide absolutely no sourcing WHATSOEVER VanGoghRocks Aug 2014 #54

Well, given the fact that I was actually watching the events live.... Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2014 #55

Oh, you were in Odessa at the time, were you? Were you embedded with VanGoghRocks Aug 2014 #56

There was a live feed. I saw it as it happened. Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2014 #57

Since every independent report AFTER THE FACT made no reference VanGoghRocks Aug 2014 #58

You believe we are done? Or do you just not want to listen? Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2014 #60

Apparently there are some fairly widespread protests against....... socialist_n_TN Aug 2014 #18

Careful or you'll get red-baited by the 'classy' ones. VanGoghRocks Aug 2014 #23

And why not?.... socialist_n_TN Aug 2014 #25

Why Not, Indeed, Sir The Magistrate Aug 2014 #27

With all due respect, Sir, it's metaphorical red-baiting to insinuate that VanGoghRocks Aug 2014 #28

Defending Putin, Sir, Is Defending Fascism The Magistrate Aug 2014 #30

Putin is President in a country with a multi-party parliament (the Duma). I'm not sure VanGoghRocks Aug 2014 #31

You Need To Get Out More, Sir The Magistrate Aug 2014 #32

I do not believe we will convince one another as to whether the Russian Federation VanGoghRocks Aug 2014 #33

I Am Not Interested In Convincing You, Sir The Magistrate Aug 2014 #34

I recommend stretching before trying that posture. Easy to pull a hamstring doing that. Throd Aug 2014 #37

Traits of fascism: ultranationalism, militarism, devotion to a strong leader, the right of strong pampango Aug 2014 #69

Western media is definitely leaving that story alone . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #40

victories of anti-Kiev powers its a good news rus084 Aug 2014 #35

Welcome to DU, rus084! another_liberal Aug 2014 #36

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2014 #46

Buh Bye to DU, rus084! IronGate Aug 2014 #62

I can't tell if this is parody of a Pootlicker or not. Throd Aug 2014 #38

Right... NuclearDem Aug 2014 #44

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2014 #45

From your post comrade. nt. IronGate Aug 2014 #52

Oh, so it's okay, because Stalin did it before. Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2014 #47

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....... Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2014 #50

Terminated Over a Link To 'Veterans Today', Sir The Magistrate Aug 2014 #64

He's not the only one on this thread citings Veterans Today, FWIW. nt Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2014 #74

Does anybody know rogerashton Aug 2014 #53

Since the Ukrainian National Guard routinely calls the 'rebel forces' (sic) it is VanGoghRocks Aug 2014 #59

So you chide me for supposedly fabricating allegations regarding the mob violence in Odessa... Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2014 #61

You think it's likely that the UNG are summarily executing separatists? IronGate Aug 2014 #63

Tymoshenko said they all (civilians and combatants alike) should be exterminated. I can't VanGoghRocks Aug 2014 #66

So, IOW, you're making shit up without any proof? IronGate Aug 2014 #68

Unless I'm mistaken, I'm owed an apology (not that I'm VanGoghRocks Aug 2014 #71

That's not proof that the UNG is executing prisoners. IronGate Aug 2014 #75

How about the Washington Post? VanGoghRocks Aug 2014 #77

OMG. IronGate Aug 2014 #80

We're done, dude, as every attempt to satisfy your objections is met with VanGoghRocks Aug 2014 #81

IOW, you've been schooled and now you're admitting defeat. IronGate Aug 2014 #82

Brave Sir Robin over here. Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2014 #87

Yup. I'd say you're pretty much "done, dude". Tarheel_Dem Aug 2014 #105

Good luck getting this poster to admit anything. Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2014 #79

You were right, IronGate Aug 2014 #84

Wonderful Hate Site You Link To, Sir The Magistrate Aug 2014 #89

Thanks for providing those links. Sounds like a source that should be avoided at all costs. n/t Tarheel_Dem Aug 2014 #106

you certainly do hold others to a higher standard than you hold yourself to. LanternWaste Aug 2014 #65

I made it clear that I was stating an opinion, one based upon the inferences drawn from the VanGoghRocks Aug 2014 #67

If you're claiming it as a fact, then, yeah, you should. nt. IronGate Aug 2014 #70

See post #71 and below: VanGoghRocks Aug 2014 #73

Veteranstoday? Really? IronGate Aug 2014 #76

How about the Washington Post? VanGoghRocks Aug 2014 #78

And yet you're not willing to recognize basic facts regarding the Odessa riots? Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2014 #72

Are there any other news sources reporting this? nt. IronGate Aug 2014 #85

Nothing owned by Rupert Murdoch, not a one. another_liberal Aug 2014 #91

Ha!!!! IronGate Aug 2014 #92

You are welcome . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #95

How is it my opinion? IronGate Aug 2014 #97

After losing Slavyansk? moondust Aug 2014 #93

True, that town was lost . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #96

Only if Russia intervenes directly with combat troops, IronGate Aug 2014 #98