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Sun Aug 24, 2014, 03:20 AM

30. That is the Numbers for the South in the Revolution

 

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The British themselves came up with those figures, but only for the South and only for Free white males (The British ended up promising freedom to any slave that agreed to fight with them, and thus undermined the support they had in the South among white slave owners).

New England was 90% for the Revolution, the Middle Colonies (New York, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, Delaware and sometimes Maryland) was more 2/3 for the revolution, 1/3 against.

The Frontier was overwhelming for the Revolution. Quakers and Episcopals tend to be pro-British, Presbyterians, Congregationalists tend to be more for the Revolution. Lutherans, being mostly German Speaking (along with Catholics) tend to support whatever was the religion that dominated in their area, and given the greatest number of Lutherans lived in Pennsylvania, tend to support the revolution. Yes the Revolution had a religious aspect to it, for religion reflects one's political views (and thus why Religion and Freedom of Assembly, and Freedom of Speech are all in the First Amendment to the Constitution).

Baptists and Methodists tend to support the Revolution, mostly for the Lutherans did, they follow the Presbyterians who tend to be the main English Speaking Church in their area. i.e. They dealt with Presbyterians all the time and thus supported them.

Side Note: In Pennsylvania the Long Walk of the early 1700s was a major factor,. In that "Walk" William Penn's children brought in professional speed walkers to walk the one day distance stated in the treaty William Penn had signed with the Delaware Indians in 1689. The Delaware and Shawnee objected to the distance walked, but they were both subject tribes of the Iroquois at the time of the Long Walk and the Iroquois agreed to the results. This lead to hard feeling among the Delaware and Shawnees with the Government of Pennsylvania. When the "Old French War" (Name used in the late 1700s, now called "King George's War) in 1745 and later when the French and Indian War broke out in 1754, both tribes supported the French and attacked settlements on the Frontier. When those Settlements ask for assistance, the Quakers that controlled Pennsylvania refused. In 1758 an election was held and for the first time the Quakers lost control of Pennsylvania and a proper militia was formed by Pennsylvania to curtail the problems on the Frontier. In that elections Presbyterians replaced Quakers in the control of Government and given the problems on the frontier, all the other religions supported the Presbyterians. This support continued through the Revolution and was the main region for 2/3rds of Pennsylvanians supporting the Revolution.

More on the Long Walk of 1737:
http://www.portal.state.pa.us/portal/server.pt/community/documents_from_1681_-_1776,_colonial_days/20421/the_walking_purchase/998175

More on Pennsylvania "Associations" and Militia during the Revolution:

http://www.portal.state.pa.us/portal/server.pt/community/revolutionary_war_militia_overview/

The following site mentions Ben Franklin's raising of a "Militia" in 1745, but Ben Franklin called it an "Association" for it was NOT authorized by the Colonial Government. That same year Ben Franklin advised people on the frontier to do the same, thus till the Militia was reformed in 1758, the only fighting force that was NOT British Regulars in Pennsylvania were these Associations that form themselves. After Quebec fell in 1759 and Montreal in 1760, Pennsylvania disestablished its Militia and went back to the Associations till 1777 when the Militia was again authorized. The name "Associations", like the similar term that came out of North Carolina in the early 1700s, "Regulators", were used for decades afterward for Military formations NOT authorized by Congress OR any State.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Mifflin

Bedford County historical documents, including it call for people to form Associations for Defense of Bedford County:

http://www.motherbedford.com/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_the_Regulation

http://docsouth.unc.edu/nc/bassett95/bassett95.html

Thus support for the Revolution was weakest in the South. The supporters of the Revolution controlled the colonial Governments and thus were able to get the South to Support the Revolution. Virginia and North Carolina were easy, both had claims that extended to the Revolution that had been cut back to the Eastern Continental Divided in the Intolerable Acts of 1774. All the land Speculators (including George Washington) supported the Revolution for this alone. South Carolina and Georgia were a little harder, but South Carolina was Charleston, the best harbor South of the Chesapeake, and that took South Carolina to the Revolution. Georgia was still a marginal colony at that time period (Founded in 1732, only 43 years before 1775) and thus went with the rest of the South (Georgia would be the only colony where a Colonial Assembly would be sit at at any time after 1775 and then only after the British took Savannah and later Charleston).

Just a comment that the 1/3 for the Revolution, 1/3 against it and 1/3 Neutral was a British Point of view and applied only to the South, and even in the South NOT on the Frontier which was overwhelmingly Presbyterian and thus for the Revolution.

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