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appal_jack

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Sun Aug 17, 2014, 11:57 AM Aug 2014

Rise of the 'Unholy Alliance' of Libertarians and Leftists [View all]

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Rise of the 'Unholy Alliance' of Libertarians and Leftists

(starting quote at the fifth paragraph of the article)

Eight months after Nader’s "Freedom Watch" pronouncement, Ron Paul supporters along with socialists, anti-market anarchists, and other lefties of various stripes were the first to set up camp in Zuccotti Park and launch the Occupy Wall Street movement. There were arguments over whether advocates of free markets belonged in the movement, whether the economic crisis was caused by deregulation or by government encouragement of high-risk financial speculation, and whether the solution to the crisis was greater or less government control of business, but the libertarians stayed. As Occupy spread to other cities, libertarians were almost always a visible—though minority—presence at the encampments. "One would more reliably come across vocal Ron Paul supporters at Occupy events than vocal Obama supporters," reported Michael Tracey in the American Conservative. "It was not lost on the Zuccotti Park crowd, for instance, that Ron Paul personally expressed a measure of support for the movement earlier than most any other national U.S. politician–aside from Sen. Bernie Sanders or Rep. Dennis Kucinich."

(snip)

In the summer of 2013 the "unholy alliance" wreaked havoc on the national-security and foreign-policy establishments. Edward Snowden, a Ron Paul supporter, received passionate support from both libertarians and a broad array of leftists for revealing, at the risk of imprisonment, the NSA’s dragnet surveillance of American citizens. Snowden’s disclosures were publicized by the journalist Glenn Greenwald, who is a regular speaker at the International Socialist Organization’s annual Socialism Conference, a recipient of the Nation Institute’s I.F. Stone Award, and according to Rachel Maddow "the American left’s most fearless political commentator." But Greenwald is also, like Scahill, an eager collaborator with libertarians. He authored a study for the Cato Institute on Portugal’s decriminalization of drugs and frequently praised Ron Paul for being "far and away the most anti-war, anti-Surveillance-State, anti-crony-capitalism, and anti-drug-war presidential candidate in either party."

(snip)

One might think all this would be cause for celebration among those who share Nader's objectives, but many find it more a cause for grave concern. Since last summer, liberal media outlets have streamed out warnings to their readers to "Beware of Libertarians Bearing Gifts," as the Center for American Progress put it. Any alliance with libertarians, even for a cause as worthy as reining in the NSA, "could kill the New Deal." Salon has frequently trafficked in hysteria over the libertarian "threat" to progressivism. "Don’t Ally With Libertarians," admonished one of many headlines about the "fatally compromised" coalition that produced "The Day We Fight Back." At The New Republic, Princeton history professor Sean Wilentz explained to the "liberal establishment" that had fallen in with Snowden, Greenwald, and Wikileaks founder Julian Assange that these purveyors of "paranoid libertarianism" were outside the bounds of respectable politics. They occupy "a peculiar corner of the political forest, where the far left meets the far right, often but not always under the rubric of libertarianism." Where unwitting liberals have "portrayed the leakers as truth-telling comrades intent on protecting the state and the Constitution from authoritarian malefactors, that’s hardly their goal," Wilentz warned. "In fact, the leakers despise the modern liberal state, and they want to wound it."

Some left-wing observers have offered more constructive evaluations of the alliance. Ralph Nader continues to lead the way, with a new book on the "Emerging Left-Right Alliance to Dismantle the Corporate State" and a lengthy interview promoting it on Reason TV. Perhaps the most notable among the left-wing sympathizers to Nader’s cause is Peter Frase, an editor at the socialist Jacobin, who questioned "this obsession with people like Greenwald and Snowden as vectors for noxious libertarianism rather than people who are doing courageous and useful work even if their politics aren’t socialist." Frase identified "an instinct among some on the Left to suppose that defending the possibility of government requires rejecting any alliance with libertarians who might criticize particularly noxious aspects of the existing state." For those on the left who share Nader’s optimism about libertarians, Frase’s conclusion should serve as a manifesto:

One should not have any illusions that critics of the national security state all share socialist politics. But we should judge these critics by what they say and do and what their political impact is. An endless inquisition into hidden beliefs and motives, and the attempt to unmask a devious libertarian hidden agenda, makes for a satisfying purity politics for those who want to justify their own inaction. But it does nothing to contest the predatory fusion of state and capital that confronts us today, which must be confronted in the government, the workplace, and many other places besides.

Hear, hear. So let us say to leftists and libertarians: Unite! You have nothing to lose but your ideological chains.


Source: http://reason.com/archives/2014/08/16/rise-of-the-unholy-alliance

Ron Paul, Edward Snowden, & Ralph Nader together?!? This should be fun at DU...

The author, Thaddeus Russell, also covers the Snowden leaks, the aversion of US military action in Syria, Greenwald's reporting on such issues, etc. The whole article is worth a read, though I feel like I posted the four best paragraphs above.

I think that Russell enjoys being a gadfly to both establishment Republicans and Democrats. In so doing, he certainly glosses-over the very real threats to New Deal Programs (especially Social Security and SNAP) and other important government regulations (environmental laws, etc.) posed by Koch-funded wolves in libertarian clothing. Nonetheless, until mainstream Democrats return to the democratic progressivism that made the Party great in the past, there is a very real vacuum that libertarians can and will fill. I would prefer that Democrats stand-up for core principles of freedom and justice, but will still cheer the principles whether the actions are led by people wearing the "L" jersey or the "D" (or "S," etc.).

-app

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Anybody making common cause with Libertarians is no leftist. MohRokTah Aug 2014 #1
Anybody making common cause with corporations is no Democrat. L0oniX Aug 2014 #6
our small family business is a corporation as most small family businesses. KittyWampus Aug 2014 #13
You know I ain't talking about small family businesses. pffft L0oniX Aug 2014 #16
Yes, you were. MohRokTah Aug 2014 #22
Been calling Miss Cleo for info on what I think? L0oniX Aug 2014 #29
Doesn't matter what you "think" MohRokTah Aug 2014 #32
Yea I should have made it more clear since some tend to strive to take shit how they want to. L0oniX Aug 2014 #42
I understood that you were referring to the rent-seeking corporations. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2014 #52
+100000 woo me with science Aug 2014 #17
And the Speed-(non)-Reading Award goes to MohRokTah! appal_jack Aug 2014 #9
"Democrats who approve of torture, panopticon-levels of warrantless surveillance, rendition... woo me with science Aug 2014 #18
Even when the outcomes ARE liberal? ARE progressive? MNBrewer Aug 2014 #19
The outcomes in such situation will NEVER be liberal or progressive. eom MohRokTah Aug 2014 #21
How? "by definition?" MNBrewer Aug 2014 #36
Had you read the article... appal_jack Aug 2014 #45
How would opposing corporate bailouts NOT be liberal or Progressive? nt Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2014 #53
I base my vote solely on economic issues. conservaphobe Aug 2014 #2
A voice of reason. We are mostly winning the day on JaneyVee Aug 2014 #34
I agree that economic issues are of great importance right now. appal_jack Aug 2014 #43
As bad as libertarians are, a true libertarian would not support the corporate oligarchy AZ Progressive Aug 2014 #3
I'd rather have libertarians than republicans. DireStrike Aug 2014 #4
You can find good ideas from many sources in spite of all that may be wrong. L0oniX Aug 2014 #5
In the light of this information I intend to remain a loyal Democrat. Thinkingabout Aug 2014 #7
K&R The oligarchs and fascists succeed by keeping the people divided. woo me with science Aug 2014 #8
I'm with ya, woo. appal_jack Aug 2014 #24
+1000000000 woo me with science Aug 2014 #38
Yet the people have free will to choose sides. JaneyVee Aug 2014 #35
Perfect example of the talking points we are fed woo me with science Aug 2014 #39
Some have been trying for a while to forge that "unholy alliance" right here on DU Number23 Aug 2014 #44
Some love their 'ideological chains' and do not want to shed them. nt appal_jack Aug 2014 #46
Are "idological chains" what they sell at Home Depot? Number23 Aug 2014 #48
Well, the 'idological' chain-cutters were on-sale last month. Too bad you missed-out. appal_jack Aug 2014 #50
You are cute as a bug. Number23 Aug 2014 #51
"Libertarians" are *for* corporate takeover. joshcryer Aug 2014 #55
I agree that corporate power is the gigantic blindspot of most libertarians. appal_jack Aug 2014 #58
^^ This. The worse it gets, the more allies you WILL have... Eleanors38 Aug 2014 #60
gross out. Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #10
Divide, divide, divide. woo me with science Aug 2014 #11
if I have to I swallow the puke and do what is needed ... I will - Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #12
I get it. But agreeing on some issues doesn't mean needing to swallow the whole agenda. woo me with science Aug 2014 #15
agreed Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #33
What is worse? PowerToThePeople Aug 2014 #14
Excellent question, PTTP. nt appal_jack Aug 2014 #20
The interesting thing here is that the ones crying the loudest are ideologically locked on TheKentuckian Aug 2014 #23
Everything you say here is true, REC *10000. n/t PowerToThePeople Aug 2014 #25
Funny how that works isn't it.... socialist_n_TN Aug 2014 #27
Hear, hear. woo me with science Aug 2014 #30
"A pocket full of mumbles, such are promises." Eleanors38 Aug 2014 #61
Well Trotsky said you should be prepared to make a United Front.......... socialist_n_TN Aug 2014 #26
Well, I'm certainly no Trotskyite, but... appal_jack Aug 2014 #31
I'm not a "Trotskyite" either since that's what Stalinists called us..... socialist_n_TN Aug 2014 #41
Trotsky was wrong. joshcryer Aug 2014 #57
The most vociferous arguments I have are usually with libertarians..... socialist_n_TN Aug 2014 #62
If you read my post you'll see there is no agreement. joshcryer Aug 2014 #63
Once again, I don't CARE what they mean by a particular type of "opposition"....... socialist_n_TN Aug 2014 #64
You don't have to disagree on a perceived overlap. joshcryer Aug 2014 #65
posted to for later. 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2014 #28
I dislike Libertarians even more than Republicans agbdf Aug 2014 #37
"I also dislike the extreme radical Left". Me, too, even though I used to be..... AverageJoe90 Aug 2014 #56
Libertarians are useful idiots Matrosov Aug 2014 #40
Most of those now claiming to be Libertarians are embarassed former Republicans. JoePhilly Aug 2014 #47
They are all "ratfuckers".. what's the big mystery? Cha Aug 2014 #49
Leftists are "ratfuckers"? nt Union Scribe Aug 2014 #59
Unfortunately, it seems we've been making a fair number of mistakes lately. AverageJoe90 Aug 2014 #54
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