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Atman

(31,464 posts)
96. Chill. I'm not only NOT preaching to you, I wasn't even addressing you!
Mon Apr 9, 2012, 04:08 PM
Apr 2012

I'm an "artist." I make a living off of various forms of visual arts, from commercial illustration to painting. I've had a few gallery exhibitions, and I've been a "featured artist" on one of those PBS fund raising auctions -- in a metro area, with my work featured in the fancy printed program, and someone bought it for MORE than the listed price. I've sold several paintings, though I don't make my living off of them. I'm framing a signed print this week to ship out to a buyer in Florida. So in terms of who is preaching to whom, give me a freakin' break!

How many times do I have to point out that I consider Kinkade a scam artist? But don't you understand that that is not at all the same as saying prints or giclees are "scams." The scam comes from the dark soul of the artist who rips people off. Here is a great example...I have a beautiful print hanging in my house, the original work done by a largely unknown artist named Mark Perrin. He is a god, in my opinion. If you're lucky enough to find examples of his work online, maybe you'll agree. One of the best dry-brush watercolorists I've ever seen, with a crazy Hieronymous Bosch-esque sensibility, but updated to more modern times (especially tropical and water scenes). Anyway, the print I have is "signed" by Mark. It is a photographic print, as giclees and modern repro techniques weren't invented when I acquired it. It is one of my favorite pieces of art.

So, several years later, I find out the signed print I own was actually signed by his wife, who wound up with a few of them during an ugly divorce battle. My signed print is an actual print approved by the artist (and he was meticulous about color-matching; the photographer/print maker was a photographer for National Geographic), but signed by his ex-wife to make a few bucks to pay for the divorce. Ironic, eh?

Here's the deal, based upon your what you say about "prints" being bad things...this print is one of Mark's actual prints. He approved it, it was created in a limited edition. But his wife gave it as a gift, representing it as a signed limited edition. Does it make the "art" any less beautiful? No, but it can be argues that it harms the VALUE of all of his prints (unless you can verify edition numbers). Yet, it is still one of my favorite paintings ever. Maybe this ancient scandal will make it worth more, probably not. Mark has been dead for a decade, and his actual originals are sadly now out of my price range. But this print brings me happiness, because I like the art, it makes me think of Mark, and his wife (who I actually rented gallery space from), and it brightens my home.

The point being, after this long diatribe...why is the print, which you so disparage, any less than art if the people who own it enjoy it? Is your definition of art based solely upon the possession of an original canvas, otherwise it's dreck? Kinkade's stuff is dreck anyway, imho, but it is still art that makes some people happy. This is why, totally separate from the discussion of the nature/subject matter of his work, I refuse to jump on the Kinkade-Is-Not-Art bandwagon. His art is pure schlock. It is bad art. It is art you personally don't like, nor do I. But it is art, nonetheless. YOU don't get to decide what is art, unless it going to hang on YOUR wall. But if you want, you can piss on it, put it a jar, and call it your own art.

Rant off.

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Was he an asshole? Confusious Apr 2012 #1
art vs. cars Syrinx Apr 2012 #2
It's more like that he 'painted' pictures that were to art like candy is to food. Demit Apr 2012 #4
Why are elves, and unicorns, and rainbows not art? nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #5
OK, I'll tell you what... CTyankee Apr 2012 #11
I'm more into steampunk. Never really liked many paintings except for Monet regardless of the Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #14
"Steampunk Elves" klook Apr 2012 #15
That is so awesome. nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #17
Well, you can compare Monet's treatment of the little footbridge in his Giverny garden painting CTyankee Apr 2012 #24
I'm not sure what I'm supposed to be realizing from their treatment of footbridges. nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #29
I don't think there is anything you are "supposed" to be realizing, except what CTyankee Apr 2012 #62
you think so? mimitabby Apr 2012 #32
Of course. You are right about Christina. But I do think that Wyeth was aware of Eakins works. CTyankee Apr 2012 #52
Wyeth certainly did value Eakins starroute Apr 2012 #63
Not what I have read edhopper Apr 2012 #45
Yes. Correct. Don't get me wrong here. The pose is what I am talking about. CTyankee Apr 2012 #54
Could well be edhopper Apr 2012 #68
Art is largely a matter of haircut. BiggJawn Apr 2012 #35
It is certainly an argument that has gone on throughout time, I agree. CTyankee Apr 2012 #55
"It's not art" is a ridiculous statement. Atman Apr 2012 #10
No he wasn't very talented. edhopper Apr 2012 #22
Much like Picasso. nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #31
Please don't show your ignorance. edhopper Apr 2012 #39
Why should I consider a stray eyeball art? nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #40
Because you don't understand what he was doing edhopper Apr 2012 #43
Maybe you don't understand what other artists are doing? nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #44
If you are referring to Kinkade edhopper Apr 2012 #46
That is quite an ability. Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #47
His art isn't hard to fathom. edhopper Apr 2012 #67
I have never been intellectual enough to tell people what qualifies as art and what does not. nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #73
Glad you admit your ignorance. edhopper Apr 2012 #92
Now art is a science? Reminds me of parents telling their kids "that's not real music" througout Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #93
It's about edhopper Apr 2012 #94
"In my day we knew what real music was" nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #95
You speak as if I am condemning modern art edhopper Apr 2012 #98
It took me a while to get cubism KamaAina Apr 2012 #89
And besides, Picasso was, with his Analytic Cubism, carrying Cezanne's vision (see his Bibemus CTyankee Apr 2012 #60
Exactly! edhopper Apr 2012 #71
You totally made my point for me...a Big Mac is still "food." Atman Apr 2012 #36
As I said, it's art edhopper Apr 2012 #42
I agree with pretty much everything you said. Atman Apr 2012 #48
art bongbong Apr 2012 #69
I actually agree with your assessment of Gauguin edhopper Apr 2012 #70
That's exactly ProfessionalLeftist Apr 2012 #23
Skill doesn't make something art. Viewers liking something doesn't make it art, either. Demit Apr 2012 #66
What makes it "art" is being collected by rich people. That's the sum & total of it. HiPointDem Apr 2012 #82
one of my favorite Monty Python bits OriginalGeek Apr 2012 #99
hysterical! CTyankee Apr 2012 #108
BTW, "high quality prints on canvas." Atman Apr 2012 #12
You are right on this. edhopper Apr 2012 #25
Which often prices people like me out of the market entirely. AtheistCrusader Apr 2012 #61
There is nothing wrong with artists edhopper Apr 2012 #65
I will agree, that is pretty lame. AtheistCrusader Apr 2012 #86
This is simplified but, a lithograph is when edhopper Apr 2012 #87
You say the prints you buy are affordable--not quite sure what you mean marions ghost Apr 2012 #110
I'm not really sure what an 'average' piece by Kinkaide went for. AtheistCrusader Apr 2012 #112
It should be actionable in court... marions ghost Apr 2012 #114
He stood there next to a stack of printed canvases, dabbed on a highlight, signed the canvas, and Demit Apr 2012 #77
Chill. I'm not only NOT preaching to you, I wasn't even addressing you! Atman Apr 2012 #96
Of course you were addressing me. You hit Reply to my post, and you were quoting my words. Demit Apr 2012 #107
First of all, sorry for the disconnect in the thread... Atman Apr 2012 #109
"Did in fact seem to"? Fact is one thing, what seems to be is another thing. Demit Apr 2012 #115
Let's just be honest and say 'if I don't like it, it's not art'. AtheistCrusader Apr 2012 #19
IMHO, art HAS to be groundbreaking; if not, it's just craft... joeybee12 Apr 2012 #30
I think the two categories overlap considerably AtheistCrusader Apr 2012 #57
I agree with you mimitabby Apr 2012 #33
I thnk the analogy is more like McDonalds to fine French cuisine. DCBob Apr 2012 #37
Seems, he was somewhat of a vicious hypocrite with socoipathic tendencies....wow. Ecumenist Apr 2012 #3
YES! No time to go into details, but he was unethical and treated people badly. TalkingDog Apr 2012 #7
Not Ford, more like Amway. Starry Messenger Apr 2012 #8
Apparently he was. grantcart Apr 2012 #74
He liked himself a WHOLE LOT. YellowRubberDuckie Apr 2012 #104
Thank you. That's exactly what I keep saying. Hell, I even "like" Bob Ross on my facebook page. TalkingDog Apr 2012 #6
I don't give a shit. it's still stupid. And I hate, hate, hate his "art" cali Apr 2012 #9
Plus Bob Ross was rockin' a cool 'fro. progressoid Apr 2012 #13
I thought his animals playing poker were a hoot. nt arthritisR_US Apr 2012 #16
a few words from the art critics Generic Other Apr 2012 #18
I think Zippy The Pinhead said it all... Atman Apr 2012 #41
"He evokes feelings of a simpler mind" Generic Other Apr 2012 #97
Good point. Bob Ross also encouraged people to be creative. mistertrickster Apr 2012 #20
I put him right in the same class as Warhol CBGLuthier Apr 2012 #21
You really don't understand edhopper Apr 2012 #26
Making money. HiPointDem Apr 2012 #83
Thanks for making my point. edhopper Apr 2012 #88
People like warhol aren't hard to understand. They like cash, they like to be around people with HiPointDem Apr 2012 #101
Do you think we'll see Kinkade's stuff at MoMA, on the same floor with the Jasper Johns and CTyankee Apr 2012 #27
Nope, we'll only see them at Sunday sales at hotels...nt joeybee12 Apr 2012 #34
Don't be so sure of that... Atman Apr 2012 #53
As I have said, this "high art/low art" discussion is timeworn. It goes on and on. And there is CTyankee Apr 2012 #58
Except that the people doing the pile-on seemed to make it about his art. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2012 #28
The guy's work is art like Fox News is journalism. EFerrari Apr 2012 #49
Yeah, so what? Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2012 #56
I feel the same way. Cobalt Violet Apr 2012 #102
It's Godwin time! GoneOffShore Apr 2012 #38
you win! dionysus Apr 2012 #106
Cheesy as Kincaide's work may have been IDemo Apr 2012 #50
Kinkaide was an amazing artist who sold out Quixote1818 Apr 2012 #51
His personal work was edhopper Apr 2012 #75
So that's his private stuff, huh? Pretty pedestrian. Demit Apr 2012 #84
You Cherry Picked some of his worst stuff Quixote1818 Apr 2012 #103
I picked the first few I found on Google. edhopper Apr 2012 #105
Why is it that people excuse Kinkade? marions ghost Apr 2012 #111
He should have just done a "Piss Christ" and others would have loved him The Straight Story Apr 2012 #59
Either you don't actually know any artist edhopper Apr 2012 #76
And a lot of people get their ideas of christians from the 700 club The Straight Story Apr 2012 #80
Nice non response edhopper Apr 2012 #91
but DuChamp REALLY did do that. nt LaydeeBug Apr 2012 #100
He did that to Winnie The Pooh instead. nt Starry Messenger Apr 2012 #78
He's right up there with Frank Frazetta and Boris Vallejo LanternWaste Apr 2012 #64
What an idiotic thing to say edhopper Apr 2012 #79
Having been a fan of all three at different points in my life... LanternWaste Apr 2012 #81
Boris is still alive edhopper Apr 2012 #90
it's outrageous that Kinkaide was rewarded with million$ for his unoriginal appeals librechik Apr 2012 #72
It's about the hypocrisy Taverner Apr 2012 #85
lots of hypocrisy out there; this guy's hypocrisy seems to have spawned threads all out of HiPointDem Apr 2012 #113
You post a topic to complain about piling on? OMG. Mimosa Apr 2012 #116
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