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342. So you think pro-choice only means pro-abortion?

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Sat Jul 26, 2014, 11:57 AM

Jul 2014

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California 80-year-old satisfied after gunning down fleeing pregnant home intruder [View all] phantom power Jul 2014 OP

What a great guy. Wait Wut Jul 2014 #1

creepy old guy. Liberal_in_LA Jul 2014 #188

Blame the Victim article. FFS, Breaking into a private home is going to bring consequences. NYC_SKP Jul 2014 #296

Shooting a fleeing felon in the back is murder. Ikonoklast Jul 2014 #320

We don't have those facts in evidence and we don't prosecute every act. NYC_SKP Jul 2014 #321

Mitigating circumstances like killing an unarmed, fleeing suspect. Ikonoklast Jul 2014 #324

a fleeing old-man-beating criminal home burglary team with blood on their hands. NYC_SKP Jul 2014 #325

It's still murder BklnDem75 Jul 2014 #333

Manslaughter, the mitigating circumstances require lesser charges. NYC_SKP Jul 2014 #335

Manslaughter is unintentional killing BklnDem75 Jul 2014 #340

Most killers are pro-lifers, I think. nt valerief Jul 2014 #201

***** SHE WAS NOT PREGNANT***** NYC_SKP Jul 2014 #306

I think both the man and the accomplice are culpable and should be charged. moriah Jul 2014 #312

I would have felt the same way until I was the victim of a threatening group.... NYC_SKP Jul 2014 #315

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Hey. Agschmid Jul 2014 #231

Welcome to DU. Wait Wut Jul 2014 #232

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You addressed me. Wait Wut Jul 2014 #235

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What the hell was she doing breaking in to the guy's house in the first place? Archae Jul 2014 #2

That's a real shame tkmorris Jul 2014 #9

Yes, thanks to the Mom's stupidity. Archae Jul 2014 #15

Or not robbed the place Travis_0004 Jul 2014 #40

I agree. I feel sympathy for the fetus lost, richmwill Jul 2014 #161

Murder is never to be applauded. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #10

Depends on the State oldhippie Jul 2014 #20

This guy was apparently in California, not Texas. nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #24

That's correct .... oldhippie Jul 2014 #30

Good kcr Jul 2014 #65

How are they different. Lurker Deluxe Jul 2014 #207

I guess we will see ..... oldhippie Jul 2014 #211

The case will never get filed ripcord Jul 2014 #214

I hope he's never charged. If he's charged, I'll donate to his defense fund. NYC_SKP Jul 2014 #301

mental state is an obvious affirmative defense jberryhill Jul 2014 #328

So you believe in the death penalty for burglary? Laffy Kat Jul 2014 #17

It's not simple burglary Lee-Lee Jul 2014 #26

I would think that she is dead would be enough to satiate everyone roguevalley Jul 2014 #34

Sorry, people that abuse the elderly deserve no sympathy Lee-Lee Jul 2014 #41

Well I don't consider myself old and I still can't believe some of these posts on DU. Laffy Kat Jul 2014 #54

Yeah the gungeon doors must have been left open. Rex Jul 2014 #64

Yeah, they swarm on stuff like this faster than cockroaches flee the light. nt valerief Jul 2014 #202

If only the elderly man would have shown an ounce of mercy. Rex Jul 2014 #204

Nah...looking at the posters happy about the dead mom-baby...par the course for them. Rex Jul 2014 #67

I'm sorry, but he did not shoot her in self-defense. passiveporcupine Jul 2014 #197

Wouldn't this technically be robbery? NutmegYankee Jul 2014 #162

Not burglary, it was home invasion Tommy2Tone Jul 2014 #186

I'm in Arkansas, and even here shooting a fleeing person is right out. moriah Jul 2014 #192

Sure you can.. Tommy2Tone Jul 2014 #293

Tell me, then, where the laws of Arkansas say shooting someone in the back is self-defense. moriah Jul 2014 #294

Of course there are no such laws Tommy2Tone Aug 2014 #365

Way to bump an ancient thread AND go completely off-topic. moriah Aug 2014 #366

Why was she in the man's house? nt clarice Jul 2014 #257

It's handy when people announce they are monsters. jeff47 Jul 2014 #19

I am a monster ..... oldhippie Jul 2014 #37

The law and morality are only loosely coupled. jeff47 Jul 2014 #46

Of course they do kcr Jul 2014 #66

That says more about Texas than it does about the burglar. nt TBF Jul 2014 #126

Gun "enthusiasts" know all the laws that allow them to shoot people, even in the back. Hoyt Jul 2014 #128

Since you support mandatory classes for gun owners NutmegYankee Jul 2014 #169

Ha, they teach when you can shoot. Ask Zimmerman. Hoyt Jul 2014 #187

Why would I want to ask a murderer? NutmegYankee Jul 2014 #190

And the "students" are most interested in when they can shoot, that's why they are into Hoyt Jul 2014 #191

Do you even think about what you type? NaturalHigh Jul 2014 #280

So why do so few actually shoot someone? hack89 Jul 2014 #358

"Few" is relative. Gun lovers think thousands is few. I don't. And, howsabout intimidation Hoyt Jul 2014 #359

But then you think every gun owner is a pre-murderer hack89 Jul 2014 #360

You just don't get it. Every gun owner contributes to the problem by keeping gun manufacturers, gun Hoyt Jul 2014 #361

That is weak even by your standards. hack89 Jul 2014 #362

... Hoyt Jul 2014 #363

So? hack89 Jul 2014 #364

Or to commit a home invasion. nt clarice Jul 2014 #271

Do you live in Texas? XRubicon Jul 2014 #173

Don't mess with Texas !! nt clarice Jul 2014 #272

Yes, he'd never be convicted in TX. Or even indicted. LisaL Jul 2014 #189

What were they doing in the man's house again? nt clarice Jul 2014 #258

Fleeing. (nt) jeff47 Jul 2014 #261

No... I mean before that. nt clarice Jul 2014 #262

Doesn't matter. Fleeing means no imminent threat. (nt) jeff47 Jul 2014 #263

Does matter , Going through someone's safe IS an imminent threat. nt clarice Jul 2014 #265

And since they were no longer doing that, the imminent threat was over. jeff47 Jul 2014 #267

I really am trying to understand your logic here..... clarice Jul 2014 #269

Someone fleeing from you is an imminent threat? Someone running away is a threat? uppityperson Jul 2014 #273

Excuse me...I was conversing with Jeff. nt clarice Jul 2014 #274

You are excused. This is a forum where people jump in all the time. If you want a private conversati uppityperson Jul 2014 #275

Sorry...long day.....I responded in haste. I guess I'm gun shy from all... clarice Jul 2014 #276

In the heat of the moment, it can be difficult to tell what is going on. For me, I would uppityperson Jul 2014 #284

I do. she was alive. now she's dead. no chance to change. that old roguevalley Jul 2014 #31

Roguevalley -- has it been independently confirmed that she was in fact visibly pregnant? Hekate Jul 2014 #70

The murderer bragged about it, said she begged for her and her baby's life. n/t kcr Jul 2014 #73

He said "she said" which is a little different. Hekate Jul 2014 #77

Nope kcr Jul 2014 #80

He thought she was pregnant yet still shot her as she fled. He shot and killed a woman he thought uppityperson Jul 2014 #142

Turns out she LIED. Imagine someone breaking an old man's bones, stealing from him.... Hekate Jul 2014 #322

none at all? Marrah_G Jul 2014 #35

And there is part of the problem in our world LordGlenconner Jul 2014 #38

It seems like the woman had little regard towards other humans as well. Travis_0004 Jul 2014 #185

She won't be upsetting your moral code anymore LordGlenconner Jul 2014 #217

So, good thing she got killed then. PowerToThePeople Jul 2014 #224

Harsh. nt clarice Jul 2014 #277

Or other people's property. nt clarice Jul 2014 #255

So, shooting someone in the back is ok? MH1 Jul 2014 #237

Have to agree. phil89 Jul 2014 #240

For the Love of Money is the Root of all Evil CBGLuthier Jul 2014 #3

...and seriously injured an 80 yr old guy... whatthehey Jul 2014 #4

they pushed him to the ground CBGLuthier Jul 2014 #5

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"they pushed him to the ground" in his own house. nt clarice Jul 2014 #278

Did you read the story? Jenoch Jul 2014 #6

Huh? tkmorris Jul 2014 #11

While the laws vary from state to state, Jenoch Jul 2014 #16

Felony Murder Rule Lee-Lee Jul 2014 #32

Which two people? I only read about one. n/t hughee99 Jul 2014 #145

One person. nt clarice Jul 2014 #270

Probably got his first erection in years. onehandle Jul 2014 #7

Was that in the story ? I must have missed it.nt clarice Jul 2014 #264

How is shooting someone in the back as they run away "self defense"? uppityperson Jul 2014 #8

It's not...it is out and out murdering someone that you now have a tactical advantage over. Rex Jul 2014 #75

Post removed Post removed Jul 2014 #117

So is that all you could come up with? This website thinks? Rex Jul 2014 #120

Oh my goodness.....so many conservatives have infiltrated this site. yeoman6987 Jul 2014 #125

Wow I must have really pissed you off to try such a weak attack. Rex Jul 2014 #129

I never said anything directly to you in my first post yeoman6987 Jul 2014 #133

Riiiiigggggghhtttt. Rex Jul 2014 #136

That post is PERFECT yeoman6987 Jul 2014 #139

Riiiiigggggghhtttt. Rex Jul 2014 #143

since she was not able to get away he should have got the cops there JI7 Jul 2014 #13

That might have been difficult due to the severe injury they inflicted on him. nt Hekate Jul 2014 #82

"a severe shoulder and collarbone injury", yet he could still hold and fire a gun. Twice. nt uppityperson Jul 2014 #146

adrenaline jberryhill Jul 2014 #329

Question - is this sort of thing happening with salin Jul 2014 #14

I wonder that, too. LisaLynne Jul 2014 #22

Thanks for nothing, old man. Paladin Jul 2014 #18

There's plenty of wrong to go around here. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2014 #21

YES. Thank you for common sense. nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #137

He could (and should) face charges... WI_DEM Jul 2014 #23

wonder if he really was frail KT2000 Jul 2014 #25

his shoulder and collar bone were seriously injured when they threw him to the ground magical thyme Jul 2014 #44

Perhaps probation for a year and loss of gun ownership yeoman6987 Jul 2014 #122

This couple is not Trayvon Martin. The old man did not go "on patrol" seeking trouble. Hekate Jul 2014 #27

"...do they then get to jeer at you 'Ollie ollie oxen free free free'" - Yes. Gravitycollapse Jul 2014 #29

People here should watch the interview at the link. He really is frail, bent and wobbly Hekate Jul 2014 #36

Agreed. magical thyme Jul 2014 #52

Some, no many, of the opinions in this thread... Hekate Jul 2014 #63

apparently he was supposed to let them get away, so they could return another time magical thyme Jul 2014 #68

Well, no need for courts then kcr Jul 2014 #78

Yep. It would be the Wild West around here if the gungoneers had their way. Rex Jul 2014 #85

Not shoot her in the back and kill her and her baby when they fled? Rex Jul 2014 #83

I ask again: As a thief and abuser of the elderly, might she also not be a liar? Hekate Jul 2014 #86

Except he's the one who said it. kcr Jul 2014 #97

The fact that she was ostensibly pregnant makes his conduct COLGATE4 Jul 2014 #124

why not the girl??? TorchTheWitch Jul 2014 #198

Can't say this enough: UPDATE. SHE LIED, JUST AS I SUSPECTED. Carry on. nt Hekate Jul 2014 #310

He;s a frail, bent and wobbly murderer n/t kcr Jul 2014 #71

"80 year olds get to be targets and victims"? Not at all. They don't get to shoot people in the back uppityperson Jul 2014 #150

It doesn't matter. You can't decide to murder people as punishment kcr Jul 2014 #69

Well, bully for you. When you get to be that age and have brittle bones, you just try it okay? Hekate Jul 2014 #74

I don't plan on becoming a murderer when I get old kcr Jul 2014 #76

Most old people you know probably have not had the experience this old man just had, either. nt Hekate Jul 2014 #79

Actually not true kcr Jul 2014 #81

If any of the criminal supporters in this thread had ever gone through such a thing... NYC_SKP Jul 2014 #299

Contrariwise Hekate Jul 2014 #303

You mean you won't shoot a pregant lady in the back and kill the baby? Rex Jul 2014 #87

It's depraved. kcr Jul 2014 #92

Sadly this is what the gun group is like and they seem to have escaped the gungeon. Rex Jul 2014 #96

EXCEPT IT NOW TURNS OUT THE POOR THING LIED ABOUT BEING PREGNANT Hekate Jul 2014 #308

SO SHE DESERVED TO DIE. Ikonoklast Jul 2014 #323

Never said that, did I? Just pointed out there was not a shred of evidence presented yesterday.... Hekate Jul 2014 #326

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And that's too bad. kcr Jul 2014 #93

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2014 #105

Not when they brag about it afterwards with no remorse kcr Jul 2014 #115

I doubt they could get him on first-degree, but it should be manslaughter anyway. nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #144

I don't think so. Intent can be inferred from his actions. COLGATE4 Jul 2014 #130

Completely Untrue ProfessorGAC Jul 2014 #164

An interesting theory. Where did you get your Law degree? COLGATE4 Jul 2014 #199

Everyone's a lawyer on DU. Except the actual attorneys. nt COLGATE4 Jul 2014 #260

Yes, otherwise is not self-defense, but murder. moriah Jul 2014 #245

Two wrongs Aerows Jul 2014 #28

Another common sense post. nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #148

Stop the stealing. nt clarice Jul 2014 #259

I think if the person is running away and you are no longer fearing for your life....its murder. Marrah_G Jul 2014 #33

Bingo. truebluegreen Jul 2014 #48

Absolutely FiveGoodMen Jul 2014 #103

I agree Max power Jul 2014 #121

I would still be fearing for my life, had I been beaten like that. Thus, it's self defense. NYC_SKP Jul 2014 #337

Not when they are running away Marrah_G Jul 2014 #339

lol at DU for defending burglars who assaulted an 80 year old cbdo2007 Jul 2014 #39

Nobody is defending them for what they did... WI_DEM Jul 2014 #43

Basically they're just condemning the old man to grievous bodily harm and general victimhood Hekate Jul 2014 #88

No. kcr Jul 2014 #98

Most of us see a difference between defending yourself and shooting someone in the back while they uppityperson Jul 2014 #158

"running away and no longer a threat" is an odd presumption to make during a violent confrontation cbdo2007 Jul 2014 #216

Lol at thinking someone shooting a person running away in the back isn't a "threat". uppityperson Jul 2014 #246

What would the response be if they'd beaten the old man not to injury, but to death? freshwest Jul 2014 #196

Please give a link to 1 DUer who is defending the burglars. Let's see 1. I'll check back in a bit, uppityperson Jul 2014 #156

There is no defense for that. lapislzi Jul 2014 #208

Not from me you won't. nt clarice Jul 2014 #266

LOL (ok not really, not at all) at DU for defending cowardly murder. MH1 Jul 2014 #268

I usually don't have sympathy for thieves Politicalboi Jul 2014 #42

Felony Murder Rule isn't a Texas thing Lee-Lee Jul 2014 #45

I hope the old man gets locked up for life Politicalboi Jul 2014 #55

"I hope the old man gets locked up for life" Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2014 #59

Odds are he dies before trial Lee-Lee Jul 2014 #61

pretty simple... dont do the crime you wont suffer the consequences boomer55 Jul 2014 #47

Running away in an alley ain't in anybody's "castle." truebluegreen Jul 2014 #49

Amen, TrueBlueGreen. If they were in the alley and running away, there's no reason Ecumenist Jul 2014 #104

fuck everyone involved in this story d_b Jul 2014 #50

I think that kinda sums it up well enough. (nt) Inkfreak Jul 2014 #90

Very ambiguous feelings about this joe_sixpack Jul 2014 #51

Good for him, shooting a pregnant woman running away from him! randys1 Jul 2014 #53

May I just say that I love 98% of your posts? nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #154

you MAY randys1 Jul 2014 #157

They were no longer a threat and he shot her anyway mokawanis Jul 2014 #56

Let's see, he gunned down a home invader's pregnant girlfriend while she was running away Warpy Jul 2014 #57

Lets hope the partner will likley "be back" NM_Birder Jul 2014 #95

I would rather have that old guy off the street Warpy Jul 2014 #166

Totally....... NM_Birder Jul 2014 #210

Yes, vigilantes are so much fairer than police Warpy Jul 2014 #248

I keep agreeing with you. NM_Birder Jul 2014 #283

He was seriously injured in his own home before he ever got to his gun. Hekate Jul 2014 #100

"If they don't, the partner will likely be back. Soon." ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2014 #119

That wasn't justification. It was prediction. Learn the difference. Warpy Jul 2014 #165

Regardless, the partner is a fucking coward ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2014 #168

I don't think she's a "home invader's pregnant girlfriend", I think she's a "home invader". hughee99 Jul 2014 #153

Probably a little of both Warpy Jul 2014 #167

While I don't think he should have shot her while she was running away gwheezie Jul 2014 #58

your last paragraph PowerToThePeople Jul 2014 #205

I wish my ex husband had not had a gun gwheezie Jul 2014 #241

Why wasn't it enough for the old bastard to shoot her in the leg? Ken Burch Jul 2014 #60

This isn't TV Lurks Often Jul 2014 #177

Seems like some gun owners are just itching to use their toy. Maedhros Jul 2014 #62

Grievous bodily injury in his own home, first. This is not Trayvon Martin. Hekate Jul 2014 #91

Hard to say he wasn't justified. PeteSelman Jul 2014 #72

Can you expect them to show mercy? Rex Jul 2014 #89

Pretty tough to judge him for shooting a fleeing pregnant woman in the back XRubicon Jul 2014 #171

Congrats! You almost made it through life without killing a baby! Rex Jul 2014 #94

Glee? You think all of us are gungeoneers just because an injured old man pursued his assailants... Hekate Jul 2014 #108

Seriously I don't care...you lack the ability to show empathy for another human. Rex Jul 2014 #113

Well goddamn Rex, I guess after all these years and posts I'm just pixels on a screen Hekate Jul 2014 #163

They might argue that you lack empathy for the guy who had just been assaulted mythology Jul 2014 #194

Pursuit's one thing. Killing a person is quite another. lapislzi Jul 2014 #213

"we are a nation of laws" hfojvt Jul 2014 #227

I completely disagree lapislzi Jul 2014 #238

What baby? I read there was only a man and a woman. NutmegYankee Jul 2014 #172

Sorry, he shot and killed a pregnant women in cold blood. Rex Jul 2014 #174

Obviously you've never served as an escort for woman to a clinic. NutmegYankee Jul 2014 #184

Do you believe a man should be charged if he poisons his wife/gf to force a miscarriage? n/m ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2014 #175

Only with the injury to the mother. NutmegYankee Jul 2014 #178

I see the killing of a fetus as a removal of a woman's choice, if she indeed wanted that child ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2014 #180

At the end of the day you can only murder a person. NutmegYankee Jul 2014 #181

In California, killing a fetus is also murder BklnDem75 Jul 2014 #279

And all that means is the anti-choicers won there... NutmegYankee Jul 2014 #300

How so? BklnDem75 Jul 2014 #304

It still sets into law the concept of fetal personhood. NutmegYankee Jul 2014 #305

That threat will always exist as long as people keep electing anti-choice politicians BklnDem75 Jul 2014 #316

Stop and think about your second sentence again. NutmegYankee Jul 2014 #331

I did. I'm talking about the more immediate threat than legislative BklnDem75 Jul 2014 #332

I'm taking the long view. NutmegYankee Jul 2014 #334

Taking the long view for who? BklnDem75 Jul 2014 #338

Look go bug someone else with the pro-life bullshit. NutmegYankee Jul 2014 #341

So you think pro-choice only means pro-abortion? BklnDem75 Jul 2014 #342

Speaking of anti-choice language... NutmegYankee Jul 2014 #344

People v. Davis (1994) BklnDem75 Jul 2014 #346

Yet. NutmegYankee Jul 2014 #354

This guy... deathrind Jul 2014 #99

The news story is heavily biased in favor of the criminals, and painting a scared old man as evil ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2014 #101

I'm a gun control advocate but the flamefest here against an injured old man is vomit-inducing Hekate Jul 2014 #102

I too am pro-gun control and think the old man was dead had they taken his gun in the struggle ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2014 #106

You can chalk it up to whatever you want to, but understand this Rex Jul 2014 #107

The story would not even have been written had he showed mercy n/m ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2014 #110

Oh please. Rex Jul 2014 #111

You really think that, huh? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2014 #114

Duh...mercy sells just like murdering someone in cold blood. Rex Jul 2014 #116

I posted my reasons why this story hits home for me in #106 and my empathy level is maxed out ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2014 #127

I own 4 firearms...you guys are sad. Rex Jul 2014 #132

But gun nuts say that just having the gun is the real power. onehandle Jul 2014 #109

Had they taken the gun off him, they would have blown his head off ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2014 #112

So, we should all kill people on speculation? onehandle Jul 2014 #118

You have to come to this site and prepare to talk to supposed progressives Rex Jul 2014 #123

You mean like you? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2014 #131

Yeah he lost all the sympathy when he decided to kill a pregant mother. Rex Jul 2014 #135

What are you babbling about? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2014 #138

Thank you for proving my point, even though you have no clue that you just did. Rex Jul 2014 #141

You're a guy having one of his "I'm better than the average gungeoneer" chest beating sessions ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2014 #147

Rest of us? I am just talking to about a handful of gun lovers. Rex Jul 2014 #151

Yeah, it's pure speculation they were beating hiim too ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2014 #134

You're ignoring the sequence. onehandle Jul 2014 #182

Aw, you mean it? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2014 #183

And no one else has elderly parents they care about? n/t kcr Jul 2014 #193

Don't you get it!? It is ALL about him! Rex Jul 2014 #221

I said why the story hit home to me in my first reply #106 ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2014 #291

Why didn't they kill him when they knocked him down? geomon666 Jul 2014 #140

And you know this...how? lapislzi Jul 2014 #215

He pulled a gun and they ran away. Why did he then have to shoot her in the back, again? uppityperson Jul 2014 #160

Third time they robbed him too, he says he keeps 15-20K cash in his safe and moved the key snooper2 Jul 2014 #219

It's amazing, isn't it? Shitty journalism and really disturbing support for the criminals. NYC_SKP Jul 2014 #298

I'm pretty sure that was sarcasm ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2014 #350

When you're 80 you don't give a rat's ass. Atman Jul 2014 #149

Your hurt, you are pissed and armed and now have a wide open field Rex Jul 2014 #155

I give a fuck. Atman Jul 2014 #176

I C your point now. Rex Jul 2014 #179

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Tetris_Iguana Jul 2014 #152

Had he shot them while being attacked in his home, I wouldn't thnk twice about it. nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #159

He thinks he is in Florida XRubicon Jul 2014 #170

DU has had a real bloodthirsty tone lately Marrah_G Jul 2014 #195

It's not real people. It's the conservative invaders shitting up the place. valerief Jul 2014 #203

ban all guns. PowerToThePeople Jul 2014 #200

Not a double murder Lee-Lee Jul 2014 #206

I support a woman's right to choose PowerToThePeople Jul 2014 #209

If she was concerned about the fetus she should have not been robbing people Travis_0004 Jul 2014 #220

Rush to judgment. PowerToThePeople Jul 2014 #222

what do you mean you hate private property? Travis_0004 Jul 2014 #228

you may hate it DonCoquixote Jul 2014 #229

I think you have that completely backwards. n/t PowerToThePeople Jul 2014 #230

Why? nt clarice Jul 2014 #256

......aaaaand there it is, folks.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2014 #290

I swear, that has to be a plant. Too over the top to be anything else. X_Digger Jul 2014 #318

Sadly, I think they are dead serious ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2014 #348

That is the most ignorant thing I have seen in this thread PowerToThePeople Jul 2014 #343

Bullshit ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2014 #347

Maybe we should also ban old people. nt clarice Jul 2014 #254

Only ones with guns. n/t PowerToThePeople Jul 2014 #281

now THAT was funny. nt clarice Jul 2014 #282

So, old dude is getting beat up and goes down. Calista241 Jul 2014 #212

He must have gotten up and chased her, they ended up in a back alley behind the house. Rex Jul 2014 #225

Here is a link for the real story and video "raw story" stole from snooper2 Jul 2014 #218

Here is what will get him convicted of a crime. Rex Jul 2014 #223

"the law says you can't shoot somebody under those circumstances." MH1 Jul 2014 #239

yeah, he is going to jail, can't really shoot somebody in the back as they are running away snooper2 Jul 2014 #243

He shot one burglar to intimidate the other. A dead human is nothing but a tool to him. riqster Jul 2014 #233

How about not breaking into other peoples homes....the logic here is astounding. nt clarice Jul 2014 #253

So shooting people in the back is acceptable behavior? riqster Jul 2014 #317

If they hadn't broken into the man's house and pushed him around........ !!!!!!! clarice Jul 2014 #349

That is what cops and courts are for. riqster Jul 2014 #351

When you spin it that way...no I don't approve.....nor do I clarice Jul 2014 #355

Speaking as a gun owner, I don't like anti-2a agendas either. riqster Jul 2014 #356

100%.nt clarice Jul 2014 #357

Why didn't he shoot at the guy? Catherine Vincent Jul 2014 #242

he did shoot at the guy, he didn't know if he hit him or not snooper2 Jul 2014 #244

Gotcha...thanks! Catherine Vincent Jul 2014 #247

Anyone who robs and assaults the elderly get's no sympathy from me. WatermelonRat Jul 2014 #249

I just saw a story on aol that the male accomplice will be charged with murder senseandsensibility Jul 2014 #250

The only mistake he made VScott Jul 2014 #251

Horrible story......why did those two go into the man's house to begin with?nt clarice Jul 2014 #252

Unclear about one thing... BklnDem75 Jul 2014 #285

Don't think it really matters at this point. AngryOldDem Jul 2014 #287

Oh I know that... BklnDem75 Jul 2014 #288

If you get a chance, watch the interview with him. AngryOldDem Jul 2014 #289

Well, we'll see what he says when he finds his ass in court, and possibly prison. AngryOldDem Jul 2014 #286

Today's update: she wasn't pregnant Retrograde Jul 2014 #292

He still shot her in the back. That's cold-blooded murder. moriah Jul 2014 #295

The women's accomplice has been charged for her murder Kaleva Jul 2014 #302

I'd say both parties are culpable, under different statutes. moriah Jul 2014 #309

There's enough blame to go around Retrograde Jul 2014 #313

SHE WAS NOT PREGNANT. All those who thought a thief & elder-abuser would never lie for sympathy... Hekate Jul 2014 #307

My perspective has not changed one bit ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2014 #311

Finally something I can completely agree with Hekate Jul 2014 #314

It shocks me how many people think that a woman's life only has value if she's pregnant A Little Weird Jul 2014 #327

speechless fadedrose Jul 2014 #297

I see the usual DU armchair lawyer brigade has chimed in. flvegan Jul 2014 #319

LOOK: Her accomplice has been charged with murder: freshwest Jul 2014 #330

I'd hate to get that beating, too, and under those specific circumstances.... NYC_SKP Jul 2014 #336

They both look pretty healthy for allegedly being drug users Lurks Often Jul 2014 #345

Your old age doesn't make you ABOVE the law HockeyMom Jul 2014 #352

These old men are sexists also HockeyMom Jul 2014 #353