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In reply to the discussion: California 80-year-old satisfied after gunning down fleeing pregnant home intruder [View all]NutmegYankee
(16,199 posts)305. It still sets into law the concept of fetal personhood.
That's all it takes...
How long till someone challenges their conviction of a crime when the mother can do it penalty free? That's the goal for these people. Set up court cases so an increasingly conservative and catholic Supreme court can decide in their favor.
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phantom power
Jul 2014
OP
Blame the Victim article. FFS, Breaking into a private home is going to bring consequences.
NYC_SKP
Jul 2014
#296
a fleeing old-man-beating criminal home burglary team with blood on their hands.
NYC_SKP
Jul 2014
#325
I would have felt the same way until I was the victim of a threatening group....
NYC_SKP
Jul 2014
#315
Well I don't consider myself old and I still can't believe some of these posts on DU.
Laffy Kat
Jul 2014
#54
Yeah, they swarm on stuff like this faster than cockroaches flee the light. nt
valerief
Jul 2014
#202
Nah...looking at the posters happy about the dead mom-baby...par the course for them.
Rex
Jul 2014
#67
Tell me, then, where the laws of Arkansas say shooting someone in the back is self-defense.
moriah
Jul 2014
#294
Gun "enthusiasts" know all the laws that allow them to shoot people, even in the back.
Hoyt
Jul 2014
#128
And the "students" are most interested in when they can shoot, that's why they are into
Hoyt
Jul 2014
#191
"Few" is relative. Gun lovers think thousands is few. I don't. And, howsabout intimidation
Hoyt
Jul 2014
#359
You just don't get it. Every gun owner contributes to the problem by keeping gun manufacturers, gun
Hoyt
Jul 2014
#361
Someone fleeing from you is an imminent threat? Someone running away is a threat?
uppityperson
Jul 2014
#273
You are excused. This is a forum where people jump in all the time. If you want a private conversati
uppityperson
Jul 2014
#275
In the heat of the moment, it can be difficult to tell what is going on. For me, I would
uppityperson
Jul 2014
#284
Roguevalley -- has it been independently confirmed that she was in fact visibly pregnant?
Hekate
Jul 2014
#70
He thought she was pregnant yet still shot her as she fled. He shot and killed a woman he thought
uppityperson
Jul 2014
#142
Turns out she LIED. Imagine someone breaking an old man's bones, stealing from him....
Hekate
Jul 2014
#322
It's not...it is out and out murdering someone that you now have a tactical advantage over.
Rex
Jul 2014
#75
That might have been difficult due to the severe injury they inflicted on him. nt
Hekate
Jul 2014
#82
"a severe shoulder and collarbone injury", yet he could still hold and fire a gun. Twice. nt
uppityperson
Jul 2014
#146
his shoulder and collar bone were seriously injured when they threw him to the ground
magical thyme
Jul 2014
#44
This couple is not Trayvon Martin. The old man did not go "on patrol" seeking trouble.
Hekate
Jul 2014
#27
"...do they then get to jeer at you 'Ollie ollie oxen free free free'" - Yes.
Gravitycollapse
Jul 2014
#29
People here should watch the interview at the link. He really is frail, bent and wobbly
Hekate
Jul 2014
#36
apparently he was supposed to let them get away, so they could return another time
magical thyme
Jul 2014
#68
I ask again: As a thief and abuser of the elderly, might she also not be a liar?
Hekate
Jul 2014
#86
"80 year olds get to be targets and victims"? Not at all. They don't get to shoot people in the back
uppityperson
Jul 2014
#150
Well, bully for you. When you get to be that age and have brittle bones, you just try it okay?
Hekate
Jul 2014
#74
Most old people you know probably have not had the experience this old man just had, either. nt
Hekate
Jul 2014
#79
If any of the criminal supporters in this thread had ever gone through such a thing...
NYC_SKP
Jul 2014
#299
Sadly this is what the gun group is like and they seem to have escaped the gungeon.
Rex
Jul 2014
#96
Never said that, did I? Just pointed out there was not a shred of evidence presented yesterday....
Hekate
Jul 2014
#326
I doubt they could get him on first-degree, but it should be manslaughter anyway.
nomorenomore08
Jul 2014
#144
I think if the person is running away and you are no longer fearing for your life....its murder.
Marrah_G
Jul 2014
#33
I would still be fearing for my life, had I been beaten like that. Thus, it's self defense.
NYC_SKP
Jul 2014
#337
Basically they're just condemning the old man to grievous bodily harm and general victimhood
Hekate
Jul 2014
#88
Most of us see a difference between defending yourself and shooting someone in the back while they
uppityperson
Jul 2014
#158
"running away and no longer a threat" is an odd presumption to make during a violent confrontation
cbdo2007
Jul 2014
#216
Lol at thinking someone shooting a person running away in the back isn't a "threat".
uppityperson
Jul 2014
#246
What would the response be if they'd beaten the old man not to injury, but to death?
freshwest
Jul 2014
#196
Please give a link to 1 DUer who is defending the burglars. Let's see 1. I'll check back in a bit,
uppityperson
Jul 2014
#156
Amen, TrueBlueGreen. If they were in the alley and running away, there's no reason
Ecumenist
Jul 2014
#104
Let's see, he gunned down a home invader's pregnant girlfriend while she was running away
Warpy
Jul 2014
#57
I don't think she's a "home invader's pregnant girlfriend", I think she's a "home invader".
hughee99
Jul 2014
#153
Glee? You think all of us are gungeoneers just because an injured old man pursued his assailants...
Hekate
Jul 2014
#108
Well goddamn Rex, I guess after all these years and posts I'm just pixels on a screen
Hekate
Jul 2014
#163
They might argue that you lack empathy for the guy who had just been assaulted
mythology
Jul 2014
#194
Do you believe a man should be charged if he poisons his wife/gf to force a miscarriage? n/m
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
Jul 2014
#175
I see the killing of a fetus as a removal of a woman's choice, if she indeed wanted that child
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
Jul 2014
#180
That threat will always exist as long as people keep electing anti-choice politicians
BklnDem75
Jul 2014
#316
The news story is heavily biased in favor of the criminals, and painting a scared old man as evil
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
Jul 2014
#101
I'm a gun control advocate but the flamefest here against an injured old man is vomit-inducing
Hekate
Jul 2014
#102
I too am pro-gun control and think the old man was dead had they taken his gun in the struggle
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
Jul 2014
#106
The story would not even have been written had he showed mercy n/m
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
Jul 2014
#110
I posted my reasons why this story hits home for me in #106 and my empathy level is maxed out
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
Jul 2014
#127
Had they taken the gun off him, they would have blown his head off
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
Jul 2014
#112
You're a guy having one of his "I'm better than the average gungeoneer" chest beating sessions
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
Jul 2014
#147
He pulled a gun and they ran away. Why did he then have to shoot her in the back, again?
uppityperson
Jul 2014
#160
Third time they robbed him too, he says he keeps 15-20K cash in his safe and moved the key
snooper2
Jul 2014
#219
It's amazing, isn't it? Shitty journalism and really disturbing support for the criminals.
NYC_SKP
Jul 2014
#298
Had he shot them while being attacked in his home, I wouldn't thnk twice about it.
nomorenomore08
Jul 2014
#159
If she was concerned about the fetus she should have not been robbing people
Travis_0004
Jul 2014
#220
He must have gotten up and chased her, they ended up in a back alley behind the house.
Rex
Jul 2014
#225
yeah, he is going to jail, can't really shoot somebody in the back as they are running away
snooper2
Jul 2014
#243
He shot one burglar to intimidate the other. A dead human is nothing but a tool to him.
riqster
Jul 2014
#233
How about not breaking into other peoples homes....the logic here is astounding. nt
clarice
Jul 2014
#253
If they hadn't broken into the man's house and pushed him around........ !!!!!!!
clarice
Jul 2014
#349
I just saw a story on aol that the male accomplice will be charged with murder
senseandsensibility
Jul 2014
#250
Horrible story......why did those two go into the man's house to begin with?nt
clarice
Jul 2014
#252
Well, we'll see what he says when he finds his ass in court, and possibly prison.
AngryOldDem
Jul 2014
#286
SHE WAS NOT PREGNANT. All those who thought a thief & elder-abuser would never lie for sympathy...
Hekate
Jul 2014
#307
It shocks me how many people think that a woman's life only has value if she's pregnant
A Little Weird
Jul 2014
#327