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NaturalHigh

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31. Give up land to a group dedicated to eradicating you?
Fri Jul 25, 2014, 11:33 AM
Jul 2014

Yeah, that appeasement thing worked out so well back in the 1930s.

A brilliant post Professor Plum malaise Jul 2014 #1
Indeed! nt kelliekat44 Jul 2014 #77
Post removed Post removed Jul 2014 #95
I'd say "nuke them all" is most likely a wrong opinion. nt ProfessorPlum Jul 2014 #96
That is funny because I live in an area with lots of Jews and most of my friends are Jewish hollysmom Jul 2014 #129
First you listen sulphurdunn Jul 2014 #134
To be honest I don't go in for conspiracies like that. R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2014 #209
What conspiracies? sulphurdunn Jul 2014 #212
Post 134 seemed like it was inferring that the same group R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2014 #215
I don't think so. sulphurdunn Jul 2014 #216
I've had my say, and will not say any more on it. R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2014 #217
OK. Thanks for the advice. sulphurdunn Jul 2014 #218
The lesson is that the sanctioned extermination of millions of people is wrong hack89 Jul 2014 #2
So by your measure it is all about the numbers of people? Swede Atlanta Jul 2014 #6
Does this apply to your reasoning? packman Jul 2014 #14
packman, I'm not sure I get your meaning. Are you saying there are not even 10 Palestinians DesertDiamond Jul 2014 #19
I think the poster meant 'justification' instead of 'inspiration.' Voice for Peace Jul 2014 #23
That passage always bothered me packman Jul 2014 #28
Let's face it, Yahweh is an evil, murderous sociopath. Arugula Latte Jul 2014 #74
Bingo. I've been readaing a lot recently about the Chrisitan Gnostics snagglepuss Jul 2014 #111
In cahoots with "Satan" in infinite cruelty. n/t devils chaplain Jul 2014 #121
No, only the people who penned the story. nt kelliekat44 Jul 2014 #184
It makes perfect sense sulphurdunn Jul 2014 #114
Was 911 genocide? nt hack89 Jul 2014 #50
Equivocation BlindTiresias Jul 2014 #86
Genocide does not require ghettos hack89 Jul 2014 #88
genocide is a systemic effort BlindTiresias Jul 2014 #101
So ten deaths can be genocide hack89 Jul 2014 #110
Genocide is a systemic effort BlindTiresias Jul 2014 #115
But there has to be massive loss of life hack89 Jul 2014 #116
There needs to be an effort BlindTiresias Jul 2014 #120
What do you think the number is? Callmecrazy Jul 2014 #161
The Israelis sulphurdunn Jul 2014 #128
"They just want their land " Without taking sides I want to point out that no one has an eternal rhett o rick Jul 2014 #189
It isn't the Palestinians sulphurdunn Jul 2014 #197
People will fight for land! Always have and always will. But no one has an eternal right to rhett o rick Jul 2014 #201
When you posit the argument sulphurdunn Jul 2014 #204
If it is targeted a a certain group of people. It always starts with the idea R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2014 #205
So 911 was genocide hack89 Jul 2014 #206
Nope. It was a terrorist attack. R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2014 #207
So the Palestinian population has exploded since 48 hack89 Jul 2014 #208
Nope. That's a false and especially weak conclusion. R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2014 #210
So the Palestinian population has not exploded? nt hack89 Jul 2014 #211
I'm not sure why you are making them out to sound like rabbits R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2014 #213
Population explosions and genocide are mutually exclusive hack89 Jul 2014 #214
No ghettoes in Rwanda??? ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2014 #146
Feel free to educate me hack89 Jul 2014 #158
Here is a brief history of Rwanda ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2014 #196
Thanks. I retract my previous comments. nt hack89 Jul 2014 #203
Why do you bring this up in thread after thread? BobbyBoring Jul 2014 #164
They have to be white, primarily Scootaloo Jul 2014 #159
well, you missed the point heaven05 Jul 2014 #43
No I understand the point hack89 Jul 2014 #48
That is anti-Semitic. Jews are not doing anything to the people of The Second Stone Jul 2014 #65
Maybe part of the solution sulphurdunn Jul 2014 #113
They're a Jewish state when it suits them. randome Jul 2014 #190
and not all Iraelis. Many Israelis oppose it. Vattel Jul 2014 #193
But if they're not part of the solution, aren't they part of the problem? randome Jul 2014 #194
You tell me. Vattel Jul 2014 #195
It's not enough to stand idly by while a military junta kills in the name of your religion. randome Jul 2014 #199
I guess I agree that where effective opposition is possible, it should happen. Vattel Jul 2014 #200
Agree about Afghanistan. But Israel isn't threatening to kill their own people. randome Jul 2014 #202
I agree. Vattel Jul 2014 #221
I'm not sure ultra-orthodox sulphurdunn Jul 2014 #130
This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Jul 2014 #78
So why did Israel forcibly remove all Israeli settlers from Gaza nine years ago hack89 Jul 2014 #79
They put them in settlements in Arab Jerusalem - lark Jul 2014 #109
But they withdrew completely from Gaza hack89 Jul 2014 #112
Makes it easier to totally destroy the place. nt kelliekat44 Jul 2014 #185
Those diabolical jews hack89 Jul 2014 #188
Cost benefit analysis. sulphurdunn Jul 2014 #117
It was a trust building exercise hack89 Jul 2014 #119
They gave up 140 sq. miles sulphurdunn Jul 2014 #123
Maybe not. Cheviteau Jul 2014 #102
Whilst Gaza is not a death camp it is a concentration camp intaglio Jul 2014 #139
I disagree with your interpretation of "the lesson". IMO the lesson has nothing to do rhett o rick Jul 2014 #191
Bravo Professor. SummerSnow Jul 2014 #3
Cheap theatrics posing as argument. nt COLGATE4 Jul 2014 #4
Contentless naysaying posing as a response. nt ProfessorPlum Jul 2014 #20
B for effort. D for content. nt COLGATE4 Jul 2014 #90
1 for the money. 2 for the show. nt ProfessorPlum Jul 2014 #92
LOL! eom. 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2014 #149
Not to detract from the seriousness of the topic, but Dark n Stormy Knight Jul 2014 #168
AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service MohRokTah Jul 2014 #106
It wasn't me! ProfessorPlum Jul 2014 #124
It was a silly alert. eom MohRokTah Jul 2014 #125
Care to identify the "theatrics" or are you just bloviating n/t intaglio Jul 2014 #141
wtf JI7 Jul 2014 #5
Is it wrong to defend your citizens against an enemy shooting rockets at them? NaturalHigh Jul 2014 #7
Is it wrong to blow up hospitals and schools in your defense? B Calm Jul 2014 #9
Since you answered a question with a question... NaturalHigh Jul 2014 #10
The answers to both your questions is yes and no LittleBlue Jul 2014 #13
Yes, that's wrong also. Hamas is bad. The Israeli government is bad. DanTex Jul 2014 #15
that most normal people PatrynXX Jul 2014 #39
Wait. There were weapons in the UN school housing refugees of war? morningfog Jul 2014 #70
I was referring to this. NaturalHigh Jul 2014 #76
If you provoke sulphurdunn Jul 2014 #137
yes eom noiretextatique Jul 2014 #11
It's wrong to defend your citizens? NaturalHigh Jul 2014 #24
'Defend your citizens'? This is how you defend them: give up some of the fucking land! randome Jul 2014 #29
Give up land to a group dedicated to eradicating you? NaturalHigh Jul 2014 #31
Give up the land they stole. "Anything necessary", the generals say. They don't mean that at all. randome Jul 2014 #34
Agreed - the generals didn't mean "give in to our enemies and run like hell." NaturalHigh Jul 2014 #38
Right. It's all about appearances, isn't it? One mustn't look cowardly. randome Jul 2014 #40
Hamas' goal is to exterminate Israel. NaturalHigh Jul 2014 #41
This message was self-deleted by its author sinkingfeeling Jul 2014 #55
Isn't Israel's goal the same thing applied to the Palestinians? randome Jul 2014 #59
I hate war... NaturalHigh Jul 2014 #63
these rockets you speak of... druidity33 Jul 2014 #122
I would want them arrested, and tried in a court of law. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #131
The goal of al-Queda sulphurdunn Jul 2014 #147
And this is my whole problem with the situation. BobbyBoring Jul 2014 #170
This is a fascinating post oberliner Jul 2014 #183
give up the land they stole. Does that apply to the US? onenote Jul 2014 #99
Well, yes. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #133
Hamas does not threaten sulphurdunn Jul 2014 #152
When you took that land from them in the first place? treestar Jul 2014 #103
I think the United Nations had something to do with the creation of Israel. NaturalHigh Jul 2014 #105
And since its inception... awoke_in_2003 Jul 2014 #126
Every time Israel has taken over more land... NaturalHigh Jul 2014 #182
Right. So Israel benefits each time one of these "attacks" occurs. GoneFishin Jul 2014 #186
Curious use of quotations around the word attacks. onenote Jul 2014 #219
Quotes, because they happen whether they really occur, as they genuinely do at times, GoneFishin Jul 2014 #223
Those are the equivalent of the tactics that were used to drive the Indians off their territory onenote Jul 2014 #227
I don't think that technology existed. And yes, how indeed? GoneFishin Jul 2014 #229
Yes, it did. sulphurdunn Jul 2014 #155
Hamas may theoretically wish to eradicate Israel, but if you look at the actual nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #132
What the Nazis did to Jews sulphurdunn Jul 2014 #140
Yet folks are perfectly content to use what happened 60 years ago onenote Jul 2014 #220
It is you Israel that is eradicating Palestinians malaise Jul 2014 #224
It's not wrong to defend your citizens. progressoid Jul 2014 #30
This. NT. riqster Jul 2014 #53
That wasn't what the poster said, though. NaturalHigh Jul 2014 #85
Were we defending our citizens when we used phosphorous bombs to burn Iraqi rhett o rick Jul 2014 #192
well Hamas is firing back at Israel PatrynXX Jul 2014 #35
Not sure who you are sticking up for here, but I say ProfessorPlum Jul 2014 #54
Wouldn't that be "20 GO TO 10" in fortran? whopis01 Jul 2014 #107
You are correct! LOL ProfessorPlum Jul 2014 #162
Up to a point treestar Jul 2014 #98
Well, you know, Hamas is known for being so reasonable. NaturalHigh Jul 2014 #100
It's still overkill treestar Jul 2014 #104
+1000 nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #135
Is it wrong to place people in a concentration camp on the basis of their ethnicity and religion intaglio Jul 2014 #143
You win the internet. MinneapolisMatt Jul 2014 #8
well, the stuff behind "a right to exist" and "never again" only belong to Zionists stupidicus Jul 2014 #12
"who have to earn the right" handmade34 Jul 2014 #16
ain't it though? stupidicus Jul 2014 #18
Jewish holocaust survivor: “Never again” does not justify Gaza slaughter. Divernan Jul 2014 #17
Recommend....well worth the read.. KoKo Jul 2014 #37
Excellent! Octoberfurst Jul 2014 #58
^^This^^ blackspade Jul 2014 #61
Thanks very much for posting TubbersUK Jul 2014 #71
You're welcome, AND Welcome to DU Divernan Jul 2014 #73
excellent post and welcome! druidity33 Jul 2014 #118
WOW, you just educated me too, ProfessorPlum! secondwind Jul 2014 #21
If you haven't already seen it, add Spielberg's "Munich" to your list. maddiemom Jul 2014 #22
that movie was frightening and would certainly make any would be "agents" ProfessorPlum Jul 2014 #49
I got the meaning of both 'Jaws' and '1941' wrong also. LanternWaste Jul 2014 #25
LOL ProfessorPlum Jul 2014 #51
Actually, the message of Schindler's List JayhawkSD Jul 2014 #26
Of any society alive today Israelis obxhead Jul 2014 #27
I think you're still drawing the wrong message frazzled Jul 2014 #32
I see - the victimization of people is wrong if the state is getting rid of "undesirables" ProfessorPlum Jul 2014 #46
No ... just that there are different types and degrees of victimization and ... frazzled Jul 2014 #69
ok . . . well, I don't think I'm really pulling the Nazi card ProfessorPlum Jul 2014 #75
Israeli policy has been to systematically starve Palestinians Divernan Jul 2014 #60
It looks like an extermination project to me. A slow one. bloom Jul 2014 #171
Right-wingers are the same everywhere. As long as the right-wing Likud Party is in the majority w4rma Jul 2014 #33
Rounding up and systematically killing? A good argument needs no lies. WinkyDink Jul 2014 #36
well, they've already been rounded up, inside Gaza ProfessorPlum Jul 2014 #42
I cut my teeth on libodem Jul 2014 #44
All analogies break down because they are analogies. aikoaiko Jul 2014 #45
well, they are occupied. ProfessorPlum Jul 2014 #47
No, you got it right. Somebody else is getting it wrong. Octafish Jul 2014 #52
thank you. ProfessorPlum Jul 2014 #82
Well duh, killing white people is wrong. Killing brown people and taking their land Exultant Democracy Jul 2014 #56
Actually, many Palestinians look pretty white Divernan Jul 2014 #64
What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans and the homeless, whether the mad destruction Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2014 #57
that Gandhi was a bright fellow ProfessorPlum Jul 2014 #62
I am sure that you know that there are many Jews within Israel and in the US who have CTyankee Jul 2014 #68
I am aware of that - or at least I am aware of the possibility that there must be ProfessorPlum Jul 2014 #72
The sad fact also remains that at least IMO Hamas doesn't care too much for the Palestinians CTyankee Jul 2014 #81
Yes. +1000 GliderGuider Jul 2014 #66
I agree with you. closeupready Jul 2014 #67
You have expressed the feelings of many people emsimon33 Jul 2014 #80
yes lululu Jul 2014 #83
no ProfessorPlum Jul 2014 #84
I say you don't make up for your suffering by trying to pass it on..... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2014 #87
wow. that's a poignant analogy. ProfessorPlum Jul 2014 #91
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #89
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Jul 2014 #93
ProfessorPlum I would nominate this for best of DU if I could. Denis 11 Jul 2014 #94
thank you ProfessorPlum Jul 2014 #97
Nope, you got it 100% right. lark Jul 2014 #108
I find this thread disturbing BainsBane Jul 2014 #127
Yeah, the OP kind of bothered me too. Thanks for articulating why. n/t nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #136
I think you see it in this thread Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #138
Seriously? BainsBane Jul 2014 #145
You kind of chopped off half my sentence there. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #148
The Nazi concentration camps BainsBane Jul 2014 #174
Oh, and btw, Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #151
Okay, let's review BainsBane Jul 2014 #175
Let's try and clarify, then. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #181
170,000 people have died in Syria in the past 18 months, and frazzled Jul 2014 #172
Then you must think the entire history of Israel has vanished into some non-existent ether. delrem Jul 2014 #150
I don't even know BainsBane Jul 2014 #176
Then you ought to study history. nt delrem Jul 2014 #178
I love when I get that comment BainsBane Jul 2014 #180
Ah, but we have had many articles whosinpower1 Jul 2014 #160
I am well of aware of such charges about Obama BainsBane Jul 2014 #167
i agree, remember the outrage when comparisons are made with Putin and the past JI7 Jul 2014 #163
People seem to want to reduce complex situations BainsBane Jul 2014 #166
+1 octoberlib Jul 2014 #169
Thank you. You summed up my feelings perfectly. It bothers me to come here and see this as jillan Jul 2014 #177
It is, but we have come to expect it. Behind the Aegis Jul 2014 #179
Not sure that's what Spielberg himself meant, though. Ken Burch Jul 2014 #142
It's the hipocrisy Maximum Bob Jul 2014 #144
Thank you for this OP. delrem Jul 2014 #153
thank you ProfessorPlum Jul 2014 #165
The abused become the abusers. ozone_man Jul 2014 #154
We saw many of our guys willing to risk their lives fighting fascism overseas wholeheartedly brewens Jul 2014 #156
thx bibi enid602 Jul 2014 #157
I always thought it was weird that people who were brutalized during Cleita Jul 2014 #173
Thanks for the great OP. K&R GoneFishin Jul 2014 #187
If you are saying the message is that it's wrong for people to be treated as the Nazi's did, rhett o rick Jul 2014 #198
this is an excellent OP, I'm disgusted how it became hijacked.. 2banon Jul 2014 #222
K Roy Serohz Jul 2014 #225
Using the holocaust as a comparison may indeed be inappropriate, but the OP does have a randys1 Jul 2014 #226
Good post Professor. BillZBubb Jul 2014 #228
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