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freshwest

(53,661 posts)
196. What would the response be if they'd beaten the old man not to injury, but to death?
Fri Jul 25, 2014, 02:34 AM
Jul 2014

And then bragged about the money they got from the safe? Or if they'd taken the gun from him in the struggle and killed him with it would he blamed for using the gun to stop them as he didn't have the strength to resist without it?

There's no way of telling since he would not be alive to tell his tale, and they wouldn't go to the media to tell of their successful heist or having killed him.

I'm wondering if he didn't believe the people who'd just attacked him were actually fleeing. I might have trouble believing anything that a person after they'd just beaten me down, that they were not prepared to do it to me again.

But I would not have shot them in the back, unless I'd lost my mind.

I think these stories are being reported more than ever, to actually cause fear in all kinds of people. Some will seize on this as their reason to use a gun, because they feel vulnerable at home, or in the case of robbers, they will become armed robbers. That has been a major part of home invasions, too.

I think the CA law will deal with him in a fair manner, no matter what, but some will never be satisfied from either side of the debate.

The issue you bring here is his injury. And that injury was caused for no good reason and one can survive, although he did NOT deserve to be injured, PERIOD. It does not excuse what they did or were planning to do next and we won't get the truth now.

The argument the old man shot them just for taking his stuff, is neglecting that the robbers were willing to injure or even kill him for the same stuff in question.

The real issue is that death is final and the woman robber will never get to change or make restitution. Now that he is under arrest, he will be have to pay the price for his decision.

And I agree, no one seems to really look at the old man as a human being. It is why older people will sometimes isolate themselves as the consensus appears to be that they've served their purpose and they might have died or injured themselves otherwise.

I love people of all ages, and am old or getting there myself. But I see a some isolation from fear by some elders. This was a horrible event.

What a great guy. Wait Wut Jul 2014 #1
creepy old guy. Liberal_in_LA Jul 2014 #188
Blame the Victim article. FFS, Breaking into a private home is going to bring consequences. NYC_SKP Jul 2014 #296
Shooting a fleeing felon in the back is murder. Ikonoklast Jul 2014 #320
We don't have those facts in evidence and we don't prosecute every act. NYC_SKP Jul 2014 #321
Mitigating circumstances like killing an unarmed, fleeing suspect. Ikonoklast Jul 2014 #324
a fleeing old-man-beating criminal home burglary team with blood on their hands. NYC_SKP Jul 2014 #325
It's still murder BklnDem75 Jul 2014 #333
Manslaughter, the mitigating circumstances require lesser charges. NYC_SKP Jul 2014 #335
Manslaughter is unintentional killing BklnDem75 Jul 2014 #340
Most killers are pro-lifers, I think. nt valerief Jul 2014 #201
***** SHE WAS NOT PREGNANT***** NYC_SKP Jul 2014 #306
I think both the man and the accomplice are culpable and should be charged. moriah Jul 2014 #312
I would have felt the same way until I was the victim of a threatening group.... NYC_SKP Jul 2014 #315
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Hey. Agschmid Jul 2014 #231
Welcome to DU. Wait Wut Jul 2014 #232
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You addressed me. Wait Wut Jul 2014 #235
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What the hell was she doing breaking in to the guy's house in the first place? Archae Jul 2014 #2
That's a real shame tkmorris Jul 2014 #9
Yes, thanks to the Mom's stupidity. Archae Jul 2014 #15
Or not robbed the place Travis_0004 Jul 2014 #40
I agree. I feel sympathy for the fetus lost, richmwill Jul 2014 #161
Murder is never to be applauded. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #10
Depends on the State oldhippie Jul 2014 #20
This guy was apparently in California, not Texas. nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #24
That's correct .... oldhippie Jul 2014 #30
Good kcr Jul 2014 #65
How are they different. Lurker Deluxe Jul 2014 #207
I guess we will see ..... oldhippie Jul 2014 #211
The case will never get filed ripcord Jul 2014 #214
I hope he's never charged. If he's charged, I'll donate to his defense fund. NYC_SKP Jul 2014 #301
mental state is an obvious affirmative defense jberryhill Jul 2014 #328
So you believe in the death penalty for burglary? Laffy Kat Jul 2014 #17
It's not simple burglary Lee-Lee Jul 2014 #26
I would think that she is dead would be enough to satiate everyone roguevalley Jul 2014 #34
Sorry, people that abuse the elderly deserve no sympathy Lee-Lee Jul 2014 #41
Well I don't consider myself old and I still can't believe some of these posts on DU. Laffy Kat Jul 2014 #54
Yeah the gungeon doors must have been left open. Rex Jul 2014 #64
Yeah, they swarm on stuff like this faster than cockroaches flee the light. nt valerief Jul 2014 #202
If only the elderly man would have shown an ounce of mercy. Rex Jul 2014 #204
Nah...looking at the posters happy about the dead mom-baby...par the course for them. Rex Jul 2014 #67
I'm sorry, but he did not shoot her in self-defense. passiveporcupine Jul 2014 #197
Wouldn't this technically be robbery? NutmegYankee Jul 2014 #162
Not burglary, it was home invasion Tommy2Tone Jul 2014 #186
I'm in Arkansas, and even here shooting a fleeing person is right out. moriah Jul 2014 #192
Sure you can.. Tommy2Tone Jul 2014 #293
Tell me, then, where the laws of Arkansas say shooting someone in the back is self-defense. moriah Jul 2014 #294
Of course there are no such laws Tommy2Tone Aug 2014 #365
Way to bump an ancient thread AND go completely off-topic. moriah Aug 2014 #366
Why was she in the man's house? nt clarice Jul 2014 #257
It's handy when people announce they are monsters. jeff47 Jul 2014 #19
I am a monster ..... oldhippie Jul 2014 #37
The law and morality are only loosely coupled. jeff47 Jul 2014 #46
Of course they do kcr Jul 2014 #66
That says more about Texas than it does about the burglar. nt TBF Jul 2014 #126
Gun "enthusiasts" know all the laws that allow them to shoot people, even in the back. Hoyt Jul 2014 #128
Since you support mandatory classes for gun owners NutmegYankee Jul 2014 #169
Ha, they teach when you can shoot. Ask Zimmerman. Hoyt Jul 2014 #187
Why would I want to ask a murderer? NutmegYankee Jul 2014 #190
And the "students" are most interested in when they can shoot, that's why they are into Hoyt Jul 2014 #191
Do you even think about what you type? NaturalHigh Jul 2014 #280
So why do so few actually shoot someone? hack89 Jul 2014 #358
"Few" is relative. Gun lovers think thousands is few. I don't. And, howsabout intimidation Hoyt Jul 2014 #359
But then you think every gun owner is a pre-murderer hack89 Jul 2014 #360
You just don't get it. Every gun owner contributes to the problem by keeping gun manufacturers, gun Hoyt Jul 2014 #361
That is weak even by your standards. hack89 Jul 2014 #362
... Hoyt Jul 2014 #363
So? hack89 Jul 2014 #364
Or to commit a home invasion. nt clarice Jul 2014 #271
Do you live in Texas? XRubicon Jul 2014 #173
Don't mess with Texas !! nt clarice Jul 2014 #272
Yes, he'd never be convicted in TX. Or even indicted. LisaL Jul 2014 #189
What were they doing in the man's house again? nt clarice Jul 2014 #258
Fleeing. (nt) jeff47 Jul 2014 #261
No... I mean before that. nt clarice Jul 2014 #262
Doesn't matter. Fleeing means no imminent threat. (nt) jeff47 Jul 2014 #263
Does matter , Going through someone's safe IS an imminent threat. nt clarice Jul 2014 #265
And since they were no longer doing that, the imminent threat was over. jeff47 Jul 2014 #267
I really am trying to understand your logic here..... clarice Jul 2014 #269
Someone fleeing from you is an imminent threat? Someone running away is a threat? uppityperson Jul 2014 #273
Excuse me...I was conversing with Jeff. nt clarice Jul 2014 #274
You are excused. This is a forum where people jump in all the time. If you want a private conversati uppityperson Jul 2014 #275
Sorry...long day.....I responded in haste. I guess I'm gun shy from all... clarice Jul 2014 #276
In the heat of the moment, it can be difficult to tell what is going on. For me, I would uppityperson Jul 2014 #284
I do. she was alive. now she's dead. no chance to change. that old roguevalley Jul 2014 #31
Roguevalley -- has it been independently confirmed that she was in fact visibly pregnant? Hekate Jul 2014 #70
The murderer bragged about it, said she begged for her and her baby's life. n/t kcr Jul 2014 #73
He said "she said" which is a little different. Hekate Jul 2014 #77
Nope kcr Jul 2014 #80
He thought she was pregnant yet still shot her as she fled. He shot and killed a woman he thought uppityperson Jul 2014 #142
Turns out she LIED. Imagine someone breaking an old man's bones, stealing from him.... Hekate Jul 2014 #322
none at all? Marrah_G Jul 2014 #35
And there is part of the problem in our world LordGlenconner Jul 2014 #38
It seems like the woman had little regard towards other humans as well. Travis_0004 Jul 2014 #185
She won't be upsetting your moral code anymore LordGlenconner Jul 2014 #217
So, good thing she got killed then. PowerToThePeople Jul 2014 #224
Harsh. nt clarice Jul 2014 #277
Or other people's property. nt clarice Jul 2014 #255
So, shooting someone in the back is ok? MH1 Jul 2014 #237
Have to agree. phil89 Jul 2014 #240
For the Love of Money is the Root of all Evil CBGLuthier Jul 2014 #3
...and seriously injured an 80 yr old guy... whatthehey Jul 2014 #4
they pushed him to the ground CBGLuthier Jul 2014 #5
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"they pushed him to the ground" in his own house. nt clarice Jul 2014 #278
Did you read the story? Jenoch Jul 2014 #6
Huh? tkmorris Jul 2014 #11
While the laws vary from state to state, Jenoch Jul 2014 #16
Felony Murder Rule Lee-Lee Jul 2014 #32
Which two people? I only read about one. n/t hughee99 Jul 2014 #145
One person. nt clarice Jul 2014 #270
Probably got his first erection in years. onehandle Jul 2014 #7
Was that in the story ? I must have missed it.nt clarice Jul 2014 #264
How is shooting someone in the back as they run away "self defense"? uppityperson Jul 2014 #8
It's not...it is out and out murdering someone that you now have a tactical advantage over. Rex Jul 2014 #75
Post removed Post removed Jul 2014 #117
So is that all you could come up with? This website thinks? Rex Jul 2014 #120
Oh my goodness.....so many conservatives have infiltrated this site. yeoman6987 Jul 2014 #125
Wow I must have really pissed you off to try such a weak attack. Rex Jul 2014 #129
I never said anything directly to you in my first post yeoman6987 Jul 2014 #133
Riiiiigggggghhtttt. Rex Jul 2014 #136
That post is PERFECT yeoman6987 Jul 2014 #139
Riiiiigggggghhtttt. Rex Jul 2014 #143
since she was not able to get away he should have got the cops there JI7 Jul 2014 #13
That might have been difficult due to the severe injury they inflicted on him. nt Hekate Jul 2014 #82
"a severe shoulder and collarbone injury", yet he could still hold and fire a gun. Twice. nt uppityperson Jul 2014 #146
adrenaline jberryhill Jul 2014 #329
Question - is this sort of thing happening with salin Jul 2014 #14
I wonder that, too. LisaLynne Jul 2014 #22
Thanks for nothing, old man. Paladin Jul 2014 #18
There's plenty of wrong to go around here. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2014 #21
YES. Thank you for common sense. nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #137
He could (and should) face charges... WI_DEM Jul 2014 #23
wonder if he really was frail KT2000 Jul 2014 #25
his shoulder and collar bone were seriously injured when they threw him to the ground magical thyme Jul 2014 #44
Perhaps probation for a year and loss of gun ownership yeoman6987 Jul 2014 #122
This couple is not Trayvon Martin. The old man did not go "on patrol" seeking trouble. Hekate Jul 2014 #27
"...do they then get to jeer at you 'Ollie ollie oxen free free free'" - Yes. Gravitycollapse Jul 2014 #29
People here should watch the interview at the link. He really is frail, bent and wobbly Hekate Jul 2014 #36
Agreed. magical thyme Jul 2014 #52
Some, no many, of the opinions in this thread... Hekate Jul 2014 #63
apparently he was supposed to let them get away, so they could return another time magical thyme Jul 2014 #68
Well, no need for courts then kcr Jul 2014 #78
Yep. It would be the Wild West around here if the gungoneers had their way. Rex Jul 2014 #85
Not shoot her in the back and kill her and her baby when they fled? Rex Jul 2014 #83
I ask again: As a thief and abuser of the elderly, might she also not be a liar? Hekate Jul 2014 #86
Except he's the one who said it. kcr Jul 2014 #97
The fact that she was ostensibly pregnant makes his conduct COLGATE4 Jul 2014 #124
why not the girl??? TorchTheWitch Jul 2014 #198
Can't say this enough: UPDATE. SHE LIED, JUST AS I SUSPECTED. Carry on. nt Hekate Jul 2014 #310
He;s a frail, bent and wobbly murderer n/t kcr Jul 2014 #71
"80 year olds get to be targets and victims"? Not at all. They don't get to shoot people in the back uppityperson Jul 2014 #150
It doesn't matter. You can't decide to murder people as punishment kcr Jul 2014 #69
Well, bully for you. When you get to be that age and have brittle bones, you just try it okay? Hekate Jul 2014 #74
I don't plan on becoming a murderer when I get old kcr Jul 2014 #76
Most old people you know probably have not had the experience this old man just had, either. nt Hekate Jul 2014 #79
Actually not true kcr Jul 2014 #81
If any of the criminal supporters in this thread had ever gone through such a thing... NYC_SKP Jul 2014 #299
Contrariwise Hekate Jul 2014 #303
You mean you won't shoot a pregant lady in the back and kill the baby? Rex Jul 2014 #87
It's depraved. kcr Jul 2014 #92
Sadly this is what the gun group is like and they seem to have escaped the gungeon. Rex Jul 2014 #96
EXCEPT IT NOW TURNS OUT THE POOR THING LIED ABOUT BEING PREGNANT Hekate Jul 2014 #308
SO SHE DESERVED TO DIE. Ikonoklast Jul 2014 #323
Never said that, did I? Just pointed out there was not a shred of evidence presented yesterday.... Hekate Jul 2014 #326
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And that's too bad. kcr Jul 2014 #93
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2014 #105
Not when they brag about it afterwards with no remorse kcr Jul 2014 #115
I doubt they could get him on first-degree, but it should be manslaughter anyway. nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #144
I don't think so. Intent can be inferred from his actions. COLGATE4 Jul 2014 #130
Completely Untrue ProfessorGAC Jul 2014 #164
An interesting theory. Where did you get your Law degree? COLGATE4 Jul 2014 #199
Everyone's a lawyer on DU. Except the actual attorneys. nt COLGATE4 Jul 2014 #260
Yes, otherwise is not self-defense, but murder. moriah Jul 2014 #245
Two wrongs Aerows Jul 2014 #28
Another common sense post. nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #148
Stop the stealing. nt clarice Jul 2014 #259
I think if the person is running away and you are no longer fearing for your life....its murder. Marrah_G Jul 2014 #33
Bingo. truebluegreen Jul 2014 #48
Absolutely FiveGoodMen Jul 2014 #103
I agree Max power Jul 2014 #121
I would still be fearing for my life, had I been beaten like that. Thus, it's self defense. NYC_SKP Jul 2014 #337
Not when they are running away Marrah_G Jul 2014 #339
lol at DU for defending burglars who assaulted an 80 year old cbdo2007 Jul 2014 #39
Nobody is defending them for what they did... WI_DEM Jul 2014 #43
Basically they're just condemning the old man to grievous bodily harm and general victimhood Hekate Jul 2014 #88
No. kcr Jul 2014 #98
Most of us see a difference between defending yourself and shooting someone in the back while they uppityperson Jul 2014 #158
"running away and no longer a threat" is an odd presumption to make during a violent confrontation cbdo2007 Jul 2014 #216
Lol at thinking someone shooting a person running away in the back isn't a "threat". uppityperson Jul 2014 #246
What would the response be if they'd beaten the old man not to injury, but to death? freshwest Jul 2014 #196
Please give a link to 1 DUer who is defending the burglars. Let's see 1. I'll check back in a bit, uppityperson Jul 2014 #156
There is no defense for that. lapislzi Jul 2014 #208
Not from me you won't. nt clarice Jul 2014 #266
LOL (ok not really, not at all) at DU for defending cowardly murder. MH1 Jul 2014 #268
I usually don't have sympathy for thieves Politicalboi Jul 2014 #42
Felony Murder Rule isn't a Texas thing Lee-Lee Jul 2014 #45
I hope the old man gets locked up for life Politicalboi Jul 2014 #55
"I hope the old man gets locked up for life" Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2014 #59
Odds are he dies before trial Lee-Lee Jul 2014 #61
pretty simple... dont do the crime you wont suffer the consequences boomer55 Jul 2014 #47
Running away in an alley ain't in anybody's "castle." truebluegreen Jul 2014 #49
Amen, TrueBlueGreen. If they were in the alley and running away, there's no reason Ecumenist Jul 2014 #104
fuck everyone involved in this story d_b Jul 2014 #50
I think that kinda sums it up well enough. (nt) Inkfreak Jul 2014 #90
Very ambiguous feelings about this joe_sixpack Jul 2014 #51
Good for him, shooting a pregnant woman running away from him! randys1 Jul 2014 #53
May I just say that I love 98% of your posts? nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #154
you MAY randys1 Jul 2014 #157
They were no longer a threat and he shot her anyway mokawanis Jul 2014 #56
Let's see, he gunned down a home invader's pregnant girlfriend while she was running away Warpy Jul 2014 #57
Lets hope the partner will likley "be back" NM_Birder Jul 2014 #95
I would rather have that old guy off the street Warpy Jul 2014 #166
Totally....... NM_Birder Jul 2014 #210
Yes, vigilantes are so much fairer than police Warpy Jul 2014 #248
I keep agreeing with you. NM_Birder Jul 2014 #283
He was seriously injured in his own home before he ever got to his gun. Hekate Jul 2014 #100
"If they don't, the partner will likely be back. Soon." ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2014 #119
That wasn't justification. It was prediction. Learn the difference. Warpy Jul 2014 #165
Regardless, the partner is a fucking coward ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2014 #168
I don't think she's a "home invader's pregnant girlfriend", I think she's a "home invader". hughee99 Jul 2014 #153
Probably a little of both Warpy Jul 2014 #167
While I don't think he should have shot her while she was running away gwheezie Jul 2014 #58
your last paragraph PowerToThePeople Jul 2014 #205
I wish my ex husband had not had a gun gwheezie Jul 2014 #241
Why wasn't it enough for the old bastard to shoot her in the leg? Ken Burch Jul 2014 #60
This isn't TV Lurks Often Jul 2014 #177
Seems like some gun owners are just itching to use their toy. Maedhros Jul 2014 #62
Grievous bodily injury in his own home, first. This is not Trayvon Martin. Hekate Jul 2014 #91
Hard to say he wasn't justified. PeteSelman Jul 2014 #72
Can you expect them to show mercy? Rex Jul 2014 #89
Pretty tough to judge him for shooting a fleeing pregnant woman in the back XRubicon Jul 2014 #171
Congrats! You almost made it through life without killing a baby! Rex Jul 2014 #94
Glee? You think all of us are gungeoneers just because an injured old man pursued his assailants... Hekate Jul 2014 #108
Seriously I don't care...you lack the ability to show empathy for another human. Rex Jul 2014 #113
Well goddamn Rex, I guess after all these years and posts I'm just pixels on a screen Hekate Jul 2014 #163
They might argue that you lack empathy for the guy who had just been assaulted mythology Jul 2014 #194
Pursuit's one thing. Killing a person is quite another. lapislzi Jul 2014 #213
"we are a nation of laws" hfojvt Jul 2014 #227
I completely disagree lapislzi Jul 2014 #238
What baby? I read there was only a man and a woman. NutmegYankee Jul 2014 #172
Sorry, he shot and killed a pregnant women in cold blood. Rex Jul 2014 #174
Obviously you've never served as an escort for woman to a clinic. NutmegYankee Jul 2014 #184
Do you believe a man should be charged if he poisons his wife/gf to force a miscarriage? n/m ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2014 #175
Only with the injury to the mother. NutmegYankee Jul 2014 #178
I see the killing of a fetus as a removal of a woman's choice, if she indeed wanted that child ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2014 #180
At the end of the day you can only murder a person. NutmegYankee Jul 2014 #181
In California, killing a fetus is also murder BklnDem75 Jul 2014 #279
And all that means is the anti-choicers won there... NutmegYankee Jul 2014 #300
How so? BklnDem75 Jul 2014 #304
It still sets into law the concept of fetal personhood. NutmegYankee Jul 2014 #305
That threat will always exist as long as people keep electing anti-choice politicians BklnDem75 Jul 2014 #316
Stop and think about your second sentence again. NutmegYankee Jul 2014 #331
I did. I'm talking about the more immediate threat than legislative BklnDem75 Jul 2014 #332
I'm taking the long view. NutmegYankee Jul 2014 #334
Taking the long view for who? BklnDem75 Jul 2014 #338
Look go bug someone else with the pro-life bullshit. NutmegYankee Jul 2014 #341
So you think pro-choice only means pro-abortion? BklnDem75 Jul 2014 #342
Speaking of anti-choice language... NutmegYankee Jul 2014 #344
People v. Davis (1994) BklnDem75 Jul 2014 #346
Yet. NutmegYankee Jul 2014 #354
This guy... deathrind Jul 2014 #99
The news story is heavily biased in favor of the criminals, and painting a scared old man as evil ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2014 #101
I'm a gun control advocate but the flamefest here against an injured old man is vomit-inducing Hekate Jul 2014 #102
I too am pro-gun control and think the old man was dead had they taken his gun in the struggle ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2014 #106
You can chalk it up to whatever you want to, but understand this Rex Jul 2014 #107
The story would not even have been written had he showed mercy n/m ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2014 #110
Oh please. Rex Jul 2014 #111
You really think that, huh? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2014 #114
Duh...mercy sells just like murdering someone in cold blood. Rex Jul 2014 #116
I posted my reasons why this story hits home for me in #106 and my empathy level is maxed out ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2014 #127
I own 4 firearms...you guys are sad. Rex Jul 2014 #132
But gun nuts say that just having the gun is the real power. onehandle Jul 2014 #109
Had they taken the gun off him, they would have blown his head off ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2014 #112
So, we should all kill people on speculation? onehandle Jul 2014 #118
You have to come to this site and prepare to talk to supposed progressives Rex Jul 2014 #123
You mean like you? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2014 #131
Yeah he lost all the sympathy when he decided to kill a pregant mother. Rex Jul 2014 #135
What are you babbling about? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2014 #138
Thank you for proving my point, even though you have no clue that you just did. Rex Jul 2014 #141
You're a guy having one of his "I'm better than the average gungeoneer" chest beating sessions ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2014 #147
Rest of us? I am just talking to about a handful of gun lovers. Rex Jul 2014 #151
Yeah, it's pure speculation they were beating hiim too ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2014 #134
You're ignoring the sequence. onehandle Jul 2014 #182
Aw, you mean it? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2014 #183
And no one else has elderly parents they care about? n/t kcr Jul 2014 #193
Don't you get it!? It is ALL about him! Rex Jul 2014 #221
I said why the story hit home to me in my first reply #106 ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2014 #291
Why didn't they kill him when they knocked him down? geomon666 Jul 2014 #140
And you know this...how? lapislzi Jul 2014 #215
He pulled a gun and they ran away. Why did he then have to shoot her in the back, again? uppityperson Jul 2014 #160
Third time they robbed him too, he says he keeps 15-20K cash in his safe and moved the key snooper2 Jul 2014 #219
It's amazing, isn't it? Shitty journalism and really disturbing support for the criminals. NYC_SKP Jul 2014 #298
I'm pretty sure that was sarcasm ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2014 #350
When you're 80 you don't give a rat's ass. Atman Jul 2014 #149
Your hurt, you are pissed and armed and now have a wide open field Rex Jul 2014 #155
I give a fuck. Atman Jul 2014 #176
I C your point now. Rex Jul 2014 #179
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Tetris_Iguana Jul 2014 #152
Had he shot them while being attacked in his home, I wouldn't thnk twice about it. nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #159
He thinks he is in Florida XRubicon Jul 2014 #170
DU has had a real bloodthirsty tone lately Marrah_G Jul 2014 #195
It's not real people. It's the conservative invaders shitting up the place. valerief Jul 2014 #203
ban all guns. PowerToThePeople Jul 2014 #200
Not a double murder Lee-Lee Jul 2014 #206
I support a woman's right to choose PowerToThePeople Jul 2014 #209
If she was concerned about the fetus she should have not been robbing people Travis_0004 Jul 2014 #220
Rush to judgment. PowerToThePeople Jul 2014 #222
what do you mean you hate private property? Travis_0004 Jul 2014 #228
you may hate it DonCoquixote Jul 2014 #229
I think you have that completely backwards. n/t PowerToThePeople Jul 2014 #230
Why? nt clarice Jul 2014 #256
......aaaaand there it is, folks.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2014 #290
I swear, that has to be a plant. Too over the top to be anything else. X_Digger Jul 2014 #318
Sadly, I think they are dead serious ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2014 #348
That is the most ignorant thing I have seen in this thread PowerToThePeople Jul 2014 #343
Bullshit ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2014 #347
Maybe we should also ban old people. nt clarice Jul 2014 #254
Only ones with guns. n/t PowerToThePeople Jul 2014 #281
now THAT was funny. nt clarice Jul 2014 #282
So, old dude is getting beat up and goes down. Calista241 Jul 2014 #212
He must have gotten up and chased her, they ended up in a back alley behind the house. Rex Jul 2014 #225
Here is a link for the real story and video "raw story" stole from snooper2 Jul 2014 #218
Here is what will get him convicted of a crime. Rex Jul 2014 #223
"the law says you can't shoot somebody under those circumstances." MH1 Jul 2014 #239
yeah, he is going to jail, can't really shoot somebody in the back as they are running away snooper2 Jul 2014 #243
He shot one burglar to intimidate the other. A dead human is nothing but a tool to him. riqster Jul 2014 #233
How about not breaking into other peoples homes....the logic here is astounding. nt clarice Jul 2014 #253
So shooting people in the back is acceptable behavior? riqster Jul 2014 #317
If they hadn't broken into the man's house and pushed him around........ !!!!!!! clarice Jul 2014 #349
That is what cops and courts are for. riqster Jul 2014 #351
When you spin it that way...no I don't approve.....nor do I clarice Jul 2014 #355
Speaking as a gun owner, I don't like anti-2a agendas either. riqster Jul 2014 #356
100%.nt clarice Jul 2014 #357
Why didn't he shoot at the guy? Catherine Vincent Jul 2014 #242
he did shoot at the guy, he didn't know if he hit him or not snooper2 Jul 2014 #244
Gotcha...thanks! Catherine Vincent Jul 2014 #247
Anyone who robs and assaults the elderly get's no sympathy from me. WatermelonRat Jul 2014 #249
I just saw a story on aol that the male accomplice will be charged with murder senseandsensibility Jul 2014 #250
The only mistake he made VScott Jul 2014 #251
Horrible story......why did those two go into the man's house to begin with?nt clarice Jul 2014 #252
Unclear about one thing... BklnDem75 Jul 2014 #285
Don't think it really matters at this point. AngryOldDem Jul 2014 #287
Oh I know that... BklnDem75 Jul 2014 #288
If you get a chance, watch the interview with him. AngryOldDem Jul 2014 #289
Well, we'll see what he says when he finds his ass in court, and possibly prison. AngryOldDem Jul 2014 #286
Today's update: she wasn't pregnant Retrograde Jul 2014 #292
He still shot her in the back. That's cold-blooded murder. moriah Jul 2014 #295
The women's accomplice has been charged for her murder Kaleva Jul 2014 #302
I'd say both parties are culpable, under different statutes. moriah Jul 2014 #309
There's enough blame to go around Retrograde Jul 2014 #313
SHE WAS NOT PREGNANT. All those who thought a thief & elder-abuser would never lie for sympathy... Hekate Jul 2014 #307
My perspective has not changed one bit ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2014 #311
Finally something I can completely agree with Hekate Jul 2014 #314
It shocks me how many people think that a woman's life only has value if she's pregnant A Little Weird Jul 2014 #327
speechless fadedrose Jul 2014 #297
I see the usual DU armchair lawyer brigade has chimed in. flvegan Jul 2014 #319
LOOK: Her accomplice has been charged with murder: freshwest Jul 2014 #330
I'd hate to get that beating, too, and under those specific circumstances.... NYC_SKP Jul 2014 #336
They both look pretty healthy for allegedly being drug users Lurks Often Jul 2014 #345
Your old age doesn't make you ABOVE the law HockeyMom Jul 2014 #352
These old men are sexists also HockeyMom Jul 2014 #353
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