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tularetom

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30. Get rid of the ACA and implement single payer health care

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 11:23 AM

Jul 2014

Then we can tell Hobby Lobby to go fuck themselves.

As long as health care is provided by employers we're going to have this fight.

I'm just waiting for a Muslim owned business to refuse to provide contraception and get sued for it, just to watch the supreme court twist themselves into a pretzel to find ways to uphold the suit.

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Eeyores with Pom-Poms, Cheerleaders for Team Apathy. [View all] riqster Jul 2014 OP

+1 SwampG8r Jul 2014 #1

Yeah. Not so many of them here at DU, thankfully. riqster Jul 2014 #4

There's a few here Rosa Luxemburg Jul 2014 #80

One on this thread, in fact. riqster Jul 2014 #100

Sure enough Bobbie Jo Jul 2014 #103

I'd like to have more than 48 fucking hours to get past my rage. Sheldon Cooper Jul 2014 #2

Yes. Embrace futility. Give up. Surrender. riqster Jul 2014 #5

and do you see the irony of someone using sheldon cooper as a screenname SwampG8r Jul 2014 #7

You might want to sit down, because I'm about to deliver some incredible news. Sheldon Cooper Jul 2014 #10

thank god i was already sitting SwampG8r Jul 2014 #17

Yes, that's EXACTLY what I said. Sheldon Cooper Jul 2014 #9

I was being ironic. Sorry, should have used a smiley. riqster Jul 2014 #12

Classic symptoms: FSogol Jul 2014 #3

And course, the classic: riqster Jul 2014 #6

What should DUers have done in the past 48 hours? nt el_bryanto Jul 2014 #8

Pretty much what almost all of us did. Discuss and agitate. riqster Jul 2014 #11

What action? It's a USSC decision. All the popular outrage in the world changes nothing because Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2014 #15

Here is one course of action: GOTV and hold the Senate, riqster Jul 2014 #18

That would require a new case before the court but similar cases will now be decided by this Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2014 #22

Legislative action is also possible. Don't forget that. riqster Jul 2014 #26

This is a 1A ruling. Legislation can't trump the BoR, which (if you had been paying attention) is Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2014 #34

You propose making people roll over and accept the loss of benefits. riqster Jul 2014 #43

Actually... it isn't a 1A ruling. FBaggins Jul 2014 #63

True, but that itself was a codification of previous court rulings. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2014 #65

Amen ReRe Jul 2014 #55

Agreed. Us, and everyone we know. Get 'em to the polls! riqster Jul 2014 #57

There ya go. One course of action and not the only one we have......... wandy Jul 2014 #78

Protest where they live & you might see some action. JNelson6563 Jul 2014 #20

You want to intimidate Supreme Court justices? That's beyond dumb. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2014 #23

You have a better course of action? Please share it. riqster Jul 2014 #27

That's wasn't an idea, it was a worse-than-useless emotional response. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2014 #31

So, you have no proposals of your own, then? riqster Jul 2014 #35

I have no proposals for those who pray for light chains and kind masters. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2014 #40

Well, here's one, anyway. riqster Jul 2014 #45

Ooo, good one! well I'm going to look up local groups, BlancheSplanchnik Jul 2014 #54

I never used the term "pinhead." That would wholly be your fabrication. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2014 #62

I used the word "pinhead" because it characterized the judgement BlancheSplanchnik Jul 2014 #77

If you have to make-up words that were never said in order to make yourself feel better that is Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2014 #81

remember how I described the joy she brings to people, and the love she brings to my life? BlancheSplanchnik Jul 2014 #84

Of course I remember. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2014 #90

as I said, she brings happiness to many people. BlancheSplanchnik Jul 2014 #93

I'm sure you will create as many justifications as you require to keep what you want. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2014 #96

gee, that would make a lot of children cry.... BlancheSplanchnik Jul 2014 #102

Whenever the topic of overpopulation is explored in depth it generally comes down to the fact that Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2014 #104

it depends on who can take responsibility DonCoquixote Jul 2014 #113

Are you taking a pro-life position here? BrotherIvan Jul 2014 #97

I'm taking a "humans > dogs" position. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2014 #98

No, just suggesting how protest might be more effective. JNelson6563 Jul 2014 #114

I have just composed some letters to the editors of newspapers Rosa Luxemburg Jul 2014 #82

Raising awareness is critical. Good on you! riqster Jul 2014 #86

sideways repeatedly! VanillaRhapsody Jul 2014 #13

Because gloom and doom are so much easier than positive action... clarice Jul 2014 #14

+1 n/t FSogol Jul 2014 #16

Some have been hard at it for years. JNelson6563 Jul 2014 #19

I have one DUer on ignore. I like knowing what is being said. riqster Jul 2014 #21

With some it's easy to know what's being said. JNelson6563 Jul 2014 #115

Most likely you're right. riqster Jul 2014 #116

How about setting up something like a Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2014 #24

If birth control is re-scheduled to be OTC, insurance companies will likely not pay for it. winter is coming Jul 2014 #25

Beat me to it. Thanks. riqster Jul 2014 #28

Lots of medications have been rescheduled. Naproxin, Ibuprofen, various acid blockers. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2014 #29

False construct. You propose people be forced to pay for female-specific drugs. riqster Jul 2014 #36

Have you ever bought a condom? Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2014 #41

Discriminatory it is then. Sexist and uninformed too. riqster Jul 2014 #46

If it's so discriminatory and medically necessary then why did Obama exempt non-profits? Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2014 #51

A lame attempt to shift focus. riqster Jul 2014 #53

There is no BC healthcare crisis. There never was one. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2014 #58

Shifting focus again; this is not the pattern of a credible opponent. riqster Jul 2014 #60

What shift? You're claiming the HL decision is discriminatory and puts women at risk. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2014 #64

Keep trying. riqster Jul 2014 #67

The point of this SC case was not whether women are allowed to obtain birth control, but whether or winter is coming Jul 2014 #38

No it's not. The BC mandate already exempts non-profits. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2014 #48

You spent a goodly chunk of yesterday trying to convince us that the ruling was no big deal winter is coming Jul 2014 #56

I maintain the ruling changes nothing of substance but Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2014 #69

Here is the core of your post, and it is quite illuminating: riqster Jul 2014 #70

And then what happens? Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2014 #71

Nothing. Sitting around and accepting injustice guarantees its perpetuation. riqster Jul 2014 #74

No, I meant for you. You're going to go out and do whatever it is you want to do Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2014 #76

I will be out doing. You, by your own admission, will sit and watch. riqster Jul 2014 #83

You also MIGHT be greeted by aliens that will wisk you away to their world to be their king. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2014 #87

Inaction is guaranteed to produce no reaction. riqster Jul 2014 #91

Will your course of action include confronting the "injustice" of the exemption for non-profits? Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2014 #92

More shifting. Such transparency. riqster Jul 2014 #94

So employees of non-profits that are exempt from the BC mandate aren't enduring an injustice. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2014 #95

I wrote the OP. It defined the topic. You are trying to change the subject. riqster Jul 2014 #99

Why are you Pom-Pom cheerleading for the continuation of the injustice endured by employees Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2014 #101

Thanks for exemplifying the behavior outlined in the OP. riqster Jul 2014 #105

Why do you consent to the injustice suffered by employees of non-profits? Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2014 #106

And why do you consent to the terms of NAFTA? riqster Jul 2014 #107

The subject, by your choice, is employers refusing to cover BC. You are consenting to employers Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2014 #110

Sorry to jump in. I have a reason to consider this a big deal........ wandy Jul 2014 #85

Nice Bundy analogy. Nice post, too. riqster Jul 2014 #89

well then, instead of telling us all what BlancheSplanchnik Jul 2014 #61

The poster has already done so. Here's the gist: riqster Jul 2014 #73

yep. it was a good job BlancheSplanchnik Jul 2014 #79

Get rid of the ACA and implement single payer health care tularetom Jul 2014 #30

I'd sequence it differently: riqster Jul 2014 #32

+1. n/t winter is coming Jul 2014 #39

Yes Rosa Luxemburg Jul 2014 #88

The only way to do that is to have another Democratic Congress at the very least treestar Jul 2014 #44

Bingo. GOTFV! riqster Jul 2014 #47

I understand your feelings but I have difficulty with the tone of your post Armstead Jul 2014 #33

I understand your point of view. riqster Jul 2014 #37

I wish you would also deploy it woo me with science Jul 2014 #49

I focus on Repubs, because they are the greater enemy. riqster Jul 2014 #52

I tend to see things as you do. If a major political movement... Eleanors38 Jul 2014 #59

Depress turnout this November treestar Jul 2014 #42

It is certainly a pernicious effect. riqster Jul 2014 #50

Nothing depresses turnout like insulting, self righteous, flame bait whatchamacallit Jul 2014 #72

Well, maybe my thread will have the opposite effect than I intended. riqster Jul 2014 #75

I would be in complete agreement with you, if paulkienitz Jul 2014 #66

There are a fair few such posts here: riqster Jul 2014 #68

care to be more specific? there are going on 200 replies there paulkienitz Jul 2014 #108

Not my job to spoon- feed you. Especially given your tendentious phrasing. riqster Jul 2014 #109

I have a real solution LittleBlue Jul 2014 #111

I fully support national health care. riqster Jul 2014 #112