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JDPriestly

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96. K&R. Every DUer should read this.

Tue Jun 24, 2014, 01:49 PM

Jun 2014

I am posting the link again so that I can put it on my journal and cite to it in Hillary Clinton threads. It points precisely at the problem with a Hillary Clinton candidacy.

Fool me once . . . . as George W. Bush once tried to say.

We have been fooled for the past 34 years. I for one am tired of it.

http://www.salon.com/2014/06/22/hillary_clinton_forgets_the_90s_our_latest_gilded_age_and_our_latest_phony_populists/

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Thomas Franks, the Clintons and "phony" Democratic populists in the New Gilded Age [View all] Armstead Jun 2014 OP

Under the bus with ya, Thomas n/t IDemo Jun 2014 #1

DURec leftstreet Jun 2014 #2

Clinton was always very specific about hsi proposals (a total wonk) BootinUp Jun 2014 #3

People voted for his populist persona and his rhetoric Armstead Jun 2014 #4

Its a nice attempt to re-write history BootinUp Jun 2014 #8

Not re-writing history. The problem is that we're not learning from history. Armstead Jun 2014 #11

Just Want To Add My Support For What Armstead Is ChiciB1 Jun 2014 #64

THAT is the catch 22 and there is this pesky thing called Congress Cosmocat Jun 2014 #263

Thank you. I so agree with you, and you explain the facts so well. Thank you. JDPriestly Jun 2014 #102

I agree 100% Enthusiast Jun 2014 #247

Could be. But I think a lot of voters old enough to remember the Clinton presidency and CTyankee Jun 2014 #265

Dimson is already making some of the worst US Presidents ever lists, at merrily Jun 2014 #285

Well, I think we do it every day here at DU... CTyankee Jun 2014 #287

Posting at DU pulls politicians to the left? merrily Jun 2014 #289

No, I'm talking about collective action...hey, we're on the same side here, aren't we? CTyankee Jun 2014 #300

Yes, acting in our own communities and maybe beyond. merrily Jun 2014 #301

Oh, we all love to vent...I know I do...but it's what we do in our own communities that really CTyankee Jun 2014 #303

Your post re-wrote history a lot more than Armstead's. merrily Jun 2014 #33

Please point out the errors in my post, until then BootinUp Jun 2014 #50

Armstead's post was closer to reality than yours. That's not hard to understand, is it? merrily Jun 2014 #55

Of course reality says he is the most popular President in the last BootinUp Jun 2014 #58

That was not the reality under discussion between you merrily Jun 2014 #60

It simply goes to the fact that a complete evisceration of William J. Clinton's record BootinUp Jun 2014 #78

Someone already posted a Clinton list, but the problem with those lists is that merrily Jun 2014 #81

P.S. I didn't completely eviscerate anyone's record and this is so merrily Jun 2014 #86

Well done pscot Jun 2014 #204

Thank you! merrily Jun 2014 #205

Thank you. Enthusiast Jun 2014 #249

De nada. merrily Jun 2014 #284

No it doesn't... sendero Jun 2014 #206

The misjudgments continue. Enthusiast Jun 2014 #248

I don't think it's misjudgment. merrily Jun 2014 #286

Clinton had charm. He loves people. JDPriestly Jun 2014 #105

+1 merrily Jun 2014 #162

Sorry, but the repeal of Glass-Steagall, signing the bill that allowed for the consolidation JDPriestly Jun 2014 #100

This is being discussed just below. BootinUp Jun 2014 #106

If Bill had really learned, or wanted to learn, he'd be using his influence to reverse the results Armstead Jun 2014 #111

I think he and Hillary have been doing their part BootinUp Jun 2014 #115

He campaigned for Obama out of political convenience. bunnies Jun 2014 #327

Try telling that to the millions of hopeful Americans who lost their homes in 2008. JDPriestly Jun 2014 #113

#97 & #103 BootinUp Jun 2014 #116

If you want to know why we prefer Elizabeth Warren to Hillary, watch the video at Post No. 23 JDPriestly Jun 2014 #117

Can she win? BootinUp Jun 2014 #120

She is one of the very few who can be trusted to side with the ordinary American citizen. JDPriestly Jun 2014 #146

I think you are a dreamer. But thats just my opinion. lol. BootinUp Jun 2014 #147

You supported Warren for her political appointment? Interesting. merrily Jun 2014 #172

I did op research on Bill Clinton's business and economic policies in Arkansas. amandabeech Jun 2014 #165

Thing is, most voters are not lawyers who do op research on a merrily Jun 2014 #224

You can thank President Clinton... elzenmahn Jun 2014 #223

You'd be better off decrying the great increase BootinUp Jun 2014 #225

"Wider range of opinion..." elzenmahn Jun 2014 #238

On network programming there is no choice. Enthusiast Jun 2014 #250

IKR ctsnowman Jun 2014 #264

+1 merrily Jun 2014 #230

"You can thank President Clinton... merrily Jun 2014 #288

Precisely. People voted for him because he would "feel their pain." He was an empathetic figure on Ed Suspicious Jun 2014 #29

Most people do laundry_queen Jun 2014 #239

Yep. That's why, "Would you want to have a beer with him?" somehow merrily Jun 2014 #290

I was there. I don't drink beer. bigtree Jun 2014 #44

In the long run many (not all) of those things were part of the poisonous trail... Armstead Jun 2014 #71

Excellent post. nt woo me with science Jun 2014 #85

THIS is a crock 'o shit. "What happened under GW was merely the inevitable..." BootinUp Jun 2014 #90

They both helped it along Armstead Jun 2014 #94

Clinton did not champion financial deregulation. Thats another crock. BootinUp Jun 2014 #97

Of course he woudn't run on it and.... Armstead Jun 2014 #101

Yes, he is smart. And if you read all he said in that interview BootinUp Jun 2014 #103

If there's a problem, common sense would tell you not to make it worse Armstead Jun 2014 #110

Have you seen the knowing grin on Clinton's face when he signed the repeal of Glass- JDPriestly Jun 2014 #129

There's going to be a lot of us little folk supporting Hillary. BootinUp Jun 2014 #131

All "us" little folk who claim to have recommended Warren for her post? merrily Jun 2014 #231

He may have admitted it was a mistake, but he sure didn't Truman up. merrily Jun 2014 #210

It wasn't Clinton's fault. But iit was partly Clinton's fault. JDPriestly Jun 2014 #219

It was a lot Clinton's fault. Bush was to blame, yes, but merrily Jun 2014 #221

Is it a surprise that Clinton blamed it on Bush? merrily Jun 2014 #152

Dems voted 155 for and 51 against. BootinUp Jun 2014 #158

Senate 98-0 on the final bill. merrily Jun 2014 #159

No, he didn't BootinUp Jun 2014 #161

Yes, he did. He told Dems he wanted on his desk ASAP. merrily Jun 2014 #183

Governing is a tough job BootinUp Jun 2014 #184

Oh, please tell me you didn't waste everyone's time with all those posts merrily Jun 2014 #188

She might be even worse than Bill. Enthusiast Jun 2014 #251

Well, she's already clinging to her religion and her guns, apparently. merrily Jun 2014 #292

And who did Obama hire in his first term? Summers and Sperling. merrily Jun 2014 #291

I want a president who is not afraid if exercising the veto. JDPriestly Jun 2014 #134

No one can say what happens after a veto until it happens. merrily Jun 2014 #191

Barack Obama: 2 vetoes. [n/t] Maedhros Jun 2014 #307

He's not a king! merrily Jun 2014 #310

All I hear is that Obama has to deal with such a hostile Congress. Maedhros Jun 2014 #312

How hostile was it 2009-2011? merrily Jun 2014 #314

REPEAL OF GLASS STEAGALL--MORTGAGE DERIVATIVES--ECONOMIC COLLAPSE merrily Jun 2014 #142

#97 & #103 BootinUp Jun 2014 #143

Wrong again. Clinton URGED repeal of Glass Steagall. merrily Jun 2014 #145

Look. He explains it. You can NOT believe him if you wish. BootinUp Jun 2014 #149

Clinton has not been faithful to the truth when it requires him to admit merrily Jun 2014 #164

what about 8 years of top to bottom prosperity don't you understand? bigtree Jun 2014 #119

It was when the money started flowing from the bottom to the top Armstead Jun 2014 #128

Clinton did what he could during his presidency bigtree Jun 2014 #138

Top to bottom? Only if you don't count the bottom! merrily Jun 2014 #194

This message was self-deleted by its author merrily Jun 2014 #195

There are things I didn't like about Clinton Jeff In Milwaukee Jun 2014 #75

Yeah, most of us were there and sober, too. Please see reply 81. merrily Jun 2014 #91

The problem with the Clinton presidency, as I said above is that it was like eating fast food JDPriestly Jun 2014 #109

Shhhh.....you'll upset the torch and pitchfork brigade!!! MADem Jun 2014 #203

I guess I missed the posts that said Hillary was to blame for what Bill did. merrily Jun 2014 #295

I guess you did. nt MADem Jun 2014 #304

Were you one of the "people" who Skidmore Jun 2014 #141

It's not a matter of "scorning the masses" Armstead Jun 2014 #153

We can always do better at any given time in history. Skidmore Jun 2014 #154

I agree with that Armstead Jun 2014 #169

I don't give Congress a pass. It's not either or. merrily Jun 2014 #298

And your point is? merrily Jun 2014 #297

Too many voters are like teenaged girls SoCalDem Jun 2014 #293

As Senator Bradley wrote in his book, Democrats are more prone to that merrily Jun 2014 #299

They voted for the outright lies that were told to sell the proposals. JoeyT Jun 2014 #21

The truth is, globalization is a more complicated picture than BootinUp Jun 2014 #42

The deindustrialization of the US ramped up unbelievably with NAFTA and MFN for China. amandabeech Jun 2014 #166

This is hair on fire nonsense BootinUp Jun 2014 #168

My hair is on fire permanently for this issue. amandabeech Jun 2014 #180

The last few years have actually seen a return of some manufacturing BootinUp Jun 2014 #182

Without NAFTA or MFN we would not be in the same situation amandabeech Jun 2014 #186

Technically your post is worthy of a hide. BootinUp Jun 2014 #189

Then do it. Defend your wonderful NAFTA, CAFTA, MFN, TPP and whatever else you have in mind amandabeech Jun 2014 #190

I already decided not to try and silence you as indicated. BootinUp Jun 2014 #193

In the town to the south of my Mom, getting a job is the most complicated amandabeech Jun 2014 #197

I get it. Its bad. BootinUp Jun 2014 #199

Well, at least you agree that there is need for change. amandabeech Jun 2014 #201

Millions never had the option to move because their house couldn't sell. Enthusiast Jun 2014 #252

All because of deregulation that his advisors, Summers and merrily Jun 2014 #313

I hear ya. Is Mom in SE Mich? nt. navarth Jun 2014 #200

No, west central. North of Muskegon. amandabeech Jun 2014 #202

Yes I understand. navarth Jun 2014 #209

I think about that a lot. amandabeech Jun 2014 #214

The work is never done. navarth Jun 2014 #215

Thanks for thinking of the other towns. amandabeech Jun 2014 #315

Brava! merrily Jun 2014 #302

Thanks you! amandabeech Jun 2014 #316

Hook, line, and sinker free trade religious babble. TheKentuckian Jun 2014 #212

And your brilliant solution then? BootinUp Jun 2014 #213

Tariffs should be a tool in the box and I also am less than bought in on the idea that TheKentuckian Jun 2014 #234

Why can't we figure out how to make BootinUp Jun 2014 #235

Holy shit lose markets? HangOnKids Jun 2014 #241

Is that a type of attitude BootinUp Jun 2014 #242

Gee nice emoticon HangOnKids Jun 2014 #243

Yeah, what kind of feeling was that? BootinUp Jun 2014 #244

The feeling that you need to get lost HangOnKids Jun 2014 #245

Because the "we" negotiating them has no such intent. It is often "we" that insist on the worst part TheKentuckian Jun 2014 #272

If you can get a viable candidate to sell it BootinUp Jun 2014 #280

We are paying trillions for people whose day job is solutions. merrily Jun 2014 #306

Nail. Head. Thank you. merrily Jun 2014 #305

Clinton's campaign promises about gays lost Gore votes after DOMA merrily Jun 2014 #57

Nothing's perfect and government policies have pluses and minuses. merrily Jun 2014 #92

Kind of comes down to do you want to win an election or not. nt BootinUp Jun 2014 #122

I know some believe that. I don't. In fact, I merrily Jun 2014 #126

A centrist describes just about every Democratic Presidential candidate that ever won. BootinUp Jun 2014 #127

Noooott reaaaaaly Armstead Jun 2014 #132

McCain tried to be at one point, though. merrily Jun 2014 #135

Youre mixing apples mangos and pomegranites BootinUp Jun 2014 #140

Not true. Then again, neither it is true that only centrists can win elections. merrily Jun 2014 #133

+1! Wonderful post! Enthusiast Jun 2014 #253

+100000000 woo me with science Jun 2014 #271

More total bullshit BootinUp Jun 2014 #276

Hillary: individual mandate. Obama: no individual mandate, public option. merrily Jun 2014 #279

Wrong, and wrong, and really I dont give a flying fuck BootinUp Jun 2014 #281

You moved the goalpost. Not surprised. We were talking why merrily Jun 2014 #283

I think the persona management software has found a way to spoof post count and join date. Maedhros Jun 2014 #311

I pm'd a poster who has been here a lot longer than I and asked if merrily Jun 2014 #317

Si. JackRiddler Jun 2014 #176

"People voted for it." JackRiddler Jun 2014 #175

Fake populism indeed. democrank Jun 2014 #5

That last paragraph needs to be on the Greatest Page. woo me with science Jun 2014 #6

Alas, that statement is too accurate Armstead Jun 2014 #7

I don't think we're being played, at least I know I'm not. cheapdate Jun 2014 #18

Any why is that? Its a chicken and egg thing. Armstead Jun 2014 #25

The right is more effectiive at communication. cheapdate Jun 2014 #34

Why do you think it is that the right seems more effective at merrily Jun 2014 #98

Because the right has a stronger media presence. String Fiesta Jun 2014 #150

Different issue. There is messaging and then there is disseminating the merrily Jun 2014 #157

Merrily, it's not really a different issue at all. cheapdate Jun 2014 #207

Actually, it is a different issue. merrily Jun 2014 #216

There's no need to get snippy. cheapdate Jun 2014 #334

Campaign promises don't mislead? merrily Jun 2014 #84

The Luntzy phrases and populist pablum will flow like wine. raouldukelives Jun 2014 #59

Thing is, what do we do about it. merrily Jun 2014 #62

One answer is atually get the discussion going about it Armstead Jun 2014 #76

I know a lot of posters think that, but I can't. merrily Jun 2014 #79

I'm not just talking about posting here or elsewhere.. Armstead Jun 2014 #80

It's been a long time since the Great Society and an even longer merrily Jun 2014 #82

There are some things bubbling under the surface..i think.. KoKo Jun 2014 #107

Thanks, Koko merrily Jun 2014 #125

Oh...I understand where you are coming from.... KoKo Jun 2014 #163

Hippie probably was not the correct term. merrily Jun 2014 #167

Okay...I get where you're coming from... KoKo Jun 2014 #196

No, I think we agree activism is important. Question is, merrily Jun 2014 #198

Good Points.. NC is doing it with "Moral Mondays" with Marches, Sit In's and those going to jail... KoKo Jun 2014 #329

Too many of those lies to list are right on this thread. merrily Jun 2014 #139

HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Jun 2014 #9

Actually the thanks go to Iching Carpenter, who originally steered me to this in anotehr thread Armstead Jun 2014 #13

I vote for both of you then. merrily Jun 2014 #87

I vote for all 3 of ya. navarth Jun 2014 #211

Thank you. I vote for you as well. Now if we can only find another, merrily Jun 2014 #222

sounds good. nt navarth Jun 2014 #228

K&R !!!! SamKnause Jun 2014 #10

Clinton ran as "The Man from HOPE"...Arkansas KoKo Jun 2014 #12

Yes, Hope is a nice safe nebulous commodity....Change, on the other hand, is more difficult Armstead Jun 2014 #14

The promises of change were what gave us hope. merrily Jun 2014 #28

Obama flipped it, though. JackRiddler Jun 2014 #177

I found this article to be right on the mark: Maedhros Jun 2014 #319

Thanks!...that's a good read from Salon about "hope" and trusting.... KoKo Jun 2014 #335

One of the few subjects DU and FR agree on: hatred of all things Clinton. n/t NYC Liberal Jun 2014 #15

Could you possibly make a more shallow post? Armstead Jun 2014 #16

Fine. "Strongly dislike". And it's a simple fact: both DU and FR "strongly dislike" the Clintons. NYC Liberal Jun 2014 #17

And your point is.....? Osama also dsliked Bill Clinon Armstead Jun 2014 #20

And that's where the similarity ends. progressoid Jun 2014 #23

Way to turn a stupid "argument" around! beerandjesus Jun 2014 #45

PM me, willya? I wanna see that. merrily Jun 2014 #89

You know, here you go, just wanting to help with that shallow argument of yours nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #26

Well, it's a simpleton fact. merrily Jun 2014 #27

Both many on DU and FR have knee-jerk reactions to anything Clinton. NYC Liberal Jun 2014 #35

Still a simpleton fact--and a "tween" approach to politics. merrily Jun 2014 #38

The "tween" approach to politics is the idea that if you don't agree with an ally 100% NYC Liberal Jun 2014 #43

No, that's bullshit. It's what I said. And, sorry, but I am tired of arguing bullshit with merrily Jun 2014 #47

how ironic. the BOG shock troops are constantly trolling looking for perceived "hatred" noiretextatique Jun 2014 #156

I don't think "liberals are as bad as freepers". NYC Liberal Jun 2014 #185

Today's "liberal" is often a Nixonian conservative on economic issues Armstead Jun 2014 #192

let the liars change and morph definitions noiretextatique Jun 2014 #332

+1 merrily Jun 2014 #308

for entirely different reasons. but never mind logic, right? cali Jun 2014 #36

Yes, logic. Both groups are in a very small minority. NYC Liberal Jun 2014 #37

I believe that's an inch deep and a mile wide, but we shall see. You still can't employ cali Jun 2014 #61

sweeping generalizations like this just make me hate Clinton even more corkhead Jun 2014 #68

Not all criticisms of her are "hating" or invalid. NYC Liberal Jun 2014 #70

No....that is not correct. KoKo Jun 2014 #19

Thank you. Enthusiast Jun 2014 #259

unquestioning adoration is another trait shared between the two sites frylock Jun 2014 #31

Bingo. merrily Jun 2014 #48

Hatred isn't an item that is found, it has to be earned or at least learned nolabels Jun 2014 #53

How about plain ole political differences? merrily Jun 2014 #104

'No trust' is exactly what i meant nolabels Jun 2014 #269

All true. And there are no consequences. merrily Jun 2014 #275

And the other choices were McCain in the first, and vulture in the last nolabels Jun 2014 #331

We need to stop the bleeding of the lower classes by the uber wealthy. If the FR agrees then rhett o rick Jun 2014 #170

I was with you 100% until the last sentence. The Founders were plutocrats. merrily Jun 2014 #294

I think you are being too hard on them. I dont have the info at hand but a lot of them died rhett o rick Jun 2014 #324

How they died is irrelevant to whether they were plutocrats when merrily Jun 2014 #325

Oi. "Hatred of all things Clinton"? JackRiddler Jun 2014 #179

It could be hard to get past personalities if merrily Jun 2014 #208

And many of us have also referred to this era as the new guilded age nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #22

I'm reading Herman Hesse again Ichingcarpenter Jun 2014 #63

I know the feeling nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #65

The local is where it happens now not from Washington Ichingcarpenter Jun 2014 #69

And my paper, we graduated from blog to well paper nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #72

Yes, thank you. Please keep reminding us of that. merrily Jun 2014 #108

Yep. Can't unring the bell or unknow what you grasped. merrily Jun 2014 #309

A guilded age would be preferable to a gilded age. merrily Jun 2014 #137

That is likely coming nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #148

Ouch, that stings. blackspade Jun 2014 #24

Facts are so inconvenient. Not that the Hillary worshhippers care about facts. cali Jun 2014 #30

I sometimes mix your positions up with those of another cali on the board. merrily Jun 2014 #51

No, I've never been a Hillary supporter. At all. cali Jun 2014 #52

I think I have it straight now. merrily Jun 2014 #99

Just think "tweety bird" re the infamous other one, it is funny in a way and easy to remember /nt Dragonfli Jun 2014 #121

Neoliberalism (dumb name for it) didn't come close to hitting its stride until the DLC merrily Jun 2014 #32

The entire economic platform of the party changed with the forming of the DLC Dragonfli Jun 2014 #123

Calling a strategy to win elections was the way to sell it to Democratic voters. merrily Jun 2014 #144

Oh, I realize that, always have (both points) Dragonfli Jun 2014 #151

I hadn't noticed who I was replying to. merrily Jun 2014 #155

Keep repeating it. Maybe it will sink in. Enthusiast Jun 2014 #255

Clinton ran as a centrist bigtree Jun 2014 #39

Clintonian economics are the opposite of what we need right now. nashville_brook Jun 2014 #40

No Democrat is going to rerun a 1992 or 1996 BootinUp Jun 2014 #46

No democrat hangs with the war criminal George Bush Ichingcarpenter Jun 2014 #54

"Because you will see them again visiting the White House...." merrily Jun 2014 #320

surely not, but there's no daylight btwn Hillary's and Bill's economic programs nashville_brook Jun 2014 #66

Read the book 'Partners in Power' Ichingcarpenter Jun 2014 #73

That sentence is so vague in meaning BootinUp Jun 2014 #74

you're a fan of Bill/Hillary's economics? nashville_brook Jun 2014 #77

I am a fan keeping Repukes out of power BootinUp Jun 2014 #83

LOL, when all else fails, sell: Vote Democrat! They're not Republican! merrily Jun 2014 #218

Revealed at last! A Nader/Libertarian/Fringe I'll try anything once loser. BootinUp Jun 2014 #220

Yes, that's it, genius. merrily Jun 2014 #321

Kicked their ass repealing Glass - Stegall? Kicked their ass deregulation the media? Kicked their TheKentuckian Jun 2014 #226

1. Who was your choice as candidate in '92 and '96 and 2000, and hell BootinUp Jun 2014 #229

I thought you were explaining an asswhooping or more crucially, how it wasn't us that took it. TheKentuckian Jun 2014 #237

I already explained in this thread my reasoning on the typical BootinUp Jun 2014 #240

I'm still missing what ass kicking there is. You have rationalized a lot of bad policy, fine. TheKentuckian Jun 2014 #273

You missed a lot apparently. But we are in the realm of opinions. Keep yours for all I care. nt BootinUp Jun 2014 #277

Neither will Ross Perot, though. merrily Jun 2014 #174

Which is why we need to find a viable populist candidate now or our only choices will be Hill or Jeb corkhead Jun 2014 #41

I doubt the DNC will support a populist. merrily Jun 2014 #318

A popular picture of Bill during the NCAA being a populist Ichingcarpenter Jun 2014 #49

Li'l Bush looks--off-model; the guy in the next row looks REALLY happy, though MisterP Jun 2014 #93

If you do a search on this night with them Ichingcarpenter Jun 2014 #95

Poppy's favorite son? merrily Jun 2014 #227

Economic populism wins elections and sells Democratic voters. pa28 Jun 2014 #56

DURec...Could not agree more: bvar22 Jun 2014 #67

this is anti-clinton argument that i tend to agree with. La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2014 #88

He's worth reading Armstead Jun 2014 #114

yes. years ago, i remember watching his interview on the daily show La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2014 #118

K&R. Every DUer should read this. JDPriestly Jun 2014 #96

Agree. Let's keep it kicked. merrily Jun 2014 #160

. snagglepuss Jun 2014 #112

"This time around there is no end in sight..." WorseBeforeBetter Jun 2014 #124

Retirement? What's That? Armstead Jun 2014 #130

Especially if they fuck with Social Security. WorseBeforeBetter Jun 2014 #136

R U sure? They were talking chained CPI and denying it was a cut and merrily Jun 2014 #171

I'd say many are in for a rude awakening. WorseBeforeBetter Jun 2014 #181

Many citizens are, yes. Whether many politicians or political parties are merrily Jun 2014 #282

Just curious. Does everyone think all the posters on this thread are merrily Jun 2014 #173

Do you know of any paying jobs? BootinUp Jun 2014 #178

My, that caught your eye quickly, didn't it? No anwer, though. merrily Jun 2014 #187

It's impossible to prove. navarth Jun 2014 #217

Fairly easy to deny, though. merrily Jun 2014 #323

Oh yes. navarth Jun 2014 #337

Yes. Enthusiast Jun 2014 #257

K&R DeSwiss Jun 2014 #232

Getting a "malicious URL" "threat detected" whenever I open this thread. mia Jun 2014 #233

That's worrisome...But I can't understand why it would be in one thread and no the whole site Armstead Jun 2014 #236

It won't work this time. Not with me. Enthusiast Jun 2014 #246

I agree, same here. Katashi_itto Jun 2014 #256

Our "Democrats." Willing accomplises in the new Gilded Age. blkmusclmachine Jun 2014 #254

Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast Jun 2014 #258

I think that's a little harsh loyalsister Jun 2014 #260

It's not so much those comments as the history of policies Armstead Jun 2014 #267

How did ending "welfare as we know it" help the poorest people? merrily Jun 2014 #326

I understand this from a different point-of-view ewagner Jun 2014 #261

Triangulation is different from compromise Armstead Jun 2014 #268

I like the distinction you are making. ewagner Jun 2014 #270

Disagree. The DLC took down a lot of stuff from its website last time I looked. merrily Jun 2014 #278

I am reading "The Meat Racket" by Christopher Leonard Atman Jun 2014 #262

And, now we have Smithfield which bought up most of the small US Pork KoKo Jun 2014 #336

This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Jun 2014 #266

And both sides think it's only the other side... polichick Jun 2014 #296

kick woo me with science Jun 2014 #274

Sanders would be a populist candidate. Clinton not so much... polichick Jun 2014 #322

I don't think Hillary will. merrily Jun 2014 #328

If Sanders runs, he's running to win... polichick Jun 2014 #330

And yet still much better than BushI 2nd term or Bob Dole as president. aikoaiko Jun 2014 #333