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pnwmom

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96. It's a stretch to say that a butter knife in the hands of a teenage girl is deadly force.
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 08:11 PM
Jun 2014

Would a a metal chopstick also be viewed as deadly force?

I think the type of knife is important.

If tasers can't be used in these kinds of situations -- to reduce gun use -- then I don't think we should use tasers at all. They certainly shouldn't be used on people in diabetic comas who fail to respond to directions to leave their cars, or to sit-down protesters -- neither of whom pose any risk to the police.


God almighty are there no rational people to be had in some of these police departments? lumpy Jun 2014 #1
USA - Home to the "No Fault Police Shooting/Murder" FreakinDJ Jun 2014 #3
He should have backed the fuck away then he would have no reason to fear. Fucking idiot cop. Ed Suspicious Jun 2014 #24
Kinda hard to get an unbiased report from a website called "policestateusa". blueridge3210 Jun 2014 #2
"A Special Needs GIRL ????? FreakinDJ Jun 2014 #4
"Special Needs" does not mean "No Risk". blueridge3210 Jun 2014 #5
You Big Strong Police Man shooting little Girls like that FreakinDJ Jun 2014 #6
big strong police man where are you getting this? pitohui Jun 2014 #9
You ASSume a lot in your murderous cop apology FreakinDJ Jun 2014 #11
Not so much. blueridge3210 Jun 2014 #10
Over 20% of ALL Police Shootings are Unarmed Citizens FreakinDJ Jun 2014 #12
Unarmed also does not mean no threat. blueridge3210 Jun 2014 #15
Of course it was justified - He said "He was in Fear" - after the fact FreakinDJ Jun 2014 #16
How can anyone be in fear or say they Jenoch Jun 2014 #19
The officer who shot and killed this 13yr old boy, instructed officer to say they feared FreakinDJ Jun 2014 #20
Please provide me link to citations of what you posted. Jenoch Jun 2014 #21
Do your homework Cop Apologist FreakinDJ Jun 2014 #22
You brought it up, not me. Jenoch Jun 2014 #28
"A family friend, however, described the object she was holding as a 'butter knife.'” pnwmom Jun 2014 #46
Other artcicles indicate a "knife" but do not specify what type. blueridge3210 Jun 2014 #48
With any knife, why didn't the policeman use a taser to incapacitate her? n/t pnwmom Jun 2014 #50
See my #51. (nt) blueridge3210 Jun 2014 #52
This woman was not unarmed. Jenoch Jun 2014 #18
The family called expecting medical help. They kind of help they usually get. This time they Ed Suspicious Jun 2014 #26
Did you read the story? Jenoch Jun 2014 #29
I did. Let it be your daughter, depressed, armed with a kitchen knife. Are you calling the cops Ed Suspicious Jun 2014 #32
I don't disagree with you that things needed to be calmed down. Jenoch Jun 2014 #34
Paramedics are not going to be allowed to go in if it's repoted the person has a knife. LisaL Jun 2014 #35
I don't think she was "depressed." I think she was angry, paranoid and psychotic. MADem Jun 2014 #105
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2014 #64
The police person was of Vietnamese heritage. MADem Jun 2014 #107
"Possible"? How about "almost certain"? nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #17
Almost certain what? blueridge3210 Jun 2014 #41
Almost certain that they used excessive force. n/t nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #83
Based on what information? blueridge3210 Jun 2014 #84
And we know the cops never, ever lie about anything, right? nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #85
In other words, regarding this case, you got nuthin'. (nt) blueridge3210 Jun 2014 #87
I might just as easily ask why you're so quick to take the cops' side. nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #88
Again, who said I was taking the cop's side? blueridge3210 Jun 2014 #89
Okay, maybe I was a bit unfair. But there are enough people out there who defend the cops no matter nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #90
Actually blueridge3210 Jun 2014 #91
And I'm just not very trusting of authority nowadays. I've seen too much utter bullshit fly nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #92
A butter knife isn't a deadly weapon. n/t pnwmom Jun 2014 #45
Never said it was. blueridge3210 Jun 2014 #47
She doesn't look like a "girl" in that picture. She looks like an 18 year old young woman. MADem Jun 2014 #54
I read a story that said the EMTs cannot Jenoch Jun 2014 #65
Like I said, I don't think we have the full story here. MADem Jun 2014 #104
You are doing some sterotyping about cops. Jenoch Jun 2014 #106
Uh, I am not "stereotyping" - the police HAVE refused to take people on because their IQs were too MADem Jun 2014 #108
I am not suggesting you did not find a PD Jenoch Jun 2014 #109
This is not about "low" IQ. MADem Jun 2014 #110
I just don't believe these guys anymore. They've screwed up (even intentionally) too many times. nt nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #93
Here's a story on the incident from The San Jose Mercury News... PoliticAverse Jun 2014 #13
Okay. blueridge3210 Jun 2014 #14
Yeah whatever. How about the cop clears the are including clearing it of himself. No excuses. Ed Suspicious Jun 2014 #25
Had the officer used a taser and missed he would not have been avebury Jun 2014 #97
Unfortunately, there is an extreme danger calling the police or 911 etherealtruth Jun 2014 #7
wait, the family called the cops on her, said she was dangerous & held a weapon, and ? pitohui Jun 2014 #8
That's insane. The family had no reasonable expectation that the help would kill their daughter. Ed Suspicious Jun 2014 #27
It appears she responded differently to the cop than she did her family. Jenoch Jun 2014 #30
I can't believe you are calling cops human elias7 Jun 2014 #57
Sometimes mentally ill people grab weapons. Many times those people are not homicidal. Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2014 #43
That is one of the most disgusting, horrid posts I have ever read here. Comrade Grumpy Jun 2014 #69
How is cops killing this girl any better than everyone leaving and letting her hack her heart out? Ed Suspicious Jun 2014 #23
You brought up an interesting point. Jenoch Jun 2014 #31
Nope, better for the cop to assess from a distance and keep a safe distance while trying to talk her Ed Suspicious Jun 2014 #33
If she was coming at them, as repoted, what would be the safe distance? LisaL Jun 2014 #36
I wouldn't be opposed to that. Do you expect them to hold their ground at all costs? Ed Suspicious Jun 2014 #38
One witness is quoted that she was "chasing" the cop with a knife. Jenoch Jun 2014 #66
If no other person was in immediate danger, yes I do. NutmegYankee Jun 2014 #53
From the information I have read, Jenoch Jun 2014 #67
She was shot in the street. NutmegYankee Jun 2014 #68
I did not look at your other links. Jenoch Jun 2014 #72
You should look at them. NutmegYankee Jun 2014 #73
I understand there are bad cops who do bad things.. Jenoch Jun 2014 #74
"Cops do more good things exponentially every day than bad" NutmegYankee Jun 2014 #75
I never said that there are not bad cops. Jenoch Jun 2014 #76
You haven't provided stats to back it up either. NutmegYankee Jun 2014 #79
Yep, and those normal jobs mostly include heloing people. Jenoch Jun 2014 #80
Then you do believe it was a mistake for all Jenoch Jun 2014 #37
I very much agree with "Maybe tbere should be different proticals for situations such as this." Ed Suspicious Jun 2014 #39
Devastating. The family made the same mistake so many people do. geomon666 Jun 2014 #40
A knife weilding adult attacked the police with a deadly weapon and was killed.... Demo_Chris Jun 2014 #42
"A family friend, however, described the object she was holding as a 'butter knife.”' pnwmom Jun 2014 #49
Not if she was armed with a lethal weapon. blueridge3210 Jun 2014 #51
The responding officer SHOULD have been equipped. He knew what the situation was. pnwmom Jun 2014 #55
Not every officer is equipped with a taser. blueridge3210 Jun 2014 #59
It was a knife of some kind, that's all that matters... Demo_Chris Jun 2014 #95
It's a stretch to say that a butter knife in the hands of a teenage girl is deadly force. pnwmom Jun 2014 #96
I was not clear. A metal butter knife might not justify deadly force IF the officers knew.... Demo_Chris Jun 2014 #98
Cute. "A justifiable shoot." Very jargon like. As if you've said that phrase before. Ed Suspicious Jun 2014 #63
True. Her story ended when she assaulted the police with a deadly weapon.... Demo_Chris Jun 2014 #94
How progressive of you. Well, not my version, but a cop apologist's, gun toter's version of Ed Suspicious Jun 2014 #99
Lots of assumptions there sparky... Demo_Chris Jun 2014 #103
Shoot to kill ... GeorgeGist Jun 2014 #44
Protect the 1%, serve up the brutality. 99Forever Jun 2014 #56
Sad. Almost the same thing happened to me Lee-Lee Jun 2014 #58
Thank you for this point of view. Sissyk Jun 2014 #70
I wish everyone would read this post Beaverhausen Jun 2014 #82
You're right, how is the cop supposed to know what kind of Jenoch Jun 2014 #86
NICE Cop Apology - Blame the Greiving Parents FreakinDJ Jun 2014 #101
Sorry, but their loss doesn't change the events leading up to it Lee-Lee Jun 2014 #111
How to manipulate sentiment through language. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2014 #60
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2014 #61
Seems like all cops are trained to do anymore is shoot. CanonRay Jun 2014 #62
rip. public needs to learn how to deal w family members w knives. cops will blow them away Liberal_in_LA Jun 2014 #71
He has to be fired, at least. But.... bobGandolf Jun 2014 #77
Our police force needs some serious reform. Initech Jun 2014 #78
They should stop calling Police mstinamotorcity2 Jun 2014 #81
This in constructive. The idea that we "advocate for a Crisis team" seems like it would be in Ed Suspicious Jun 2014 #100
An interesting idea. blueridge3210 Jun 2014 #112
As a mother with a disabled adult child on serious medication--I am afraid for my daughter Demeter Jun 2014 #102
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