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boppers

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193. Well, this response started a lot of pointless dithering over hyperbole.
Wed Dec 21, 2011, 04:44 AM
Dec 2011

Gut check: using "NEVER" or "ALWAYS" or other absolutist generalizations does not advance a non-linear, textual, discussion.

Oh, and have a google hit:
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100817144616AAJxEyc

It might look familiar.

The books sucked. ScreamingMeemie Dec 2011 #1
it's translated from swedish, it reads awkward at times. dionysus Dec 2011 #4
I understand that it is translated from Swedish. The story was horrible and violent for no need... ScreamingMeemie Dec 2011 #11
to each their own. dionysus Dec 2011 #219
I was impressed at how good the translation was. Morning Dew Dec 2011 #24
Read the books, not sure if I want to see the movie. northoftheborder Dec 2011 #5
Saw the movies and they sucked horribly. Each worse than the last. kenny blankenship Dec 2011 #9
Some great books are turned into really horrible movies. Nye Bevan Dec 2011 #14
So you stole content? Burgman Dec 2011 #15
To be fair, I saw "Star Wars Episode 1- the Phantom Menace" which sucked horribly, Nye Bevan Dec 2011 #19
the argument stands in my opinion. Burgman Dec 2011 #23
Fantastic planet - one of the oldest, bestest, movies made. ChairmanAgnostic Dec 2011 #162
LOL Leslie Nielson bieng serious. Burgman Dec 2011 #163
True, that, but that movie kicked ass on special effects ChairmanAgnostic Dec 2011 #164
I could be all three. kenny blankenship Dec 2011 #22
curious. Why is this so offensive to you? Burgman Dec 2011 #25
I said it was shitty not offensive. It's just a crappy trio of films. kenny blankenship Dec 2011 #29
"If it doesn't cost me anything to watch, maybe I'll see it. Burgman Dec 2011 #33
Well it could cost me two hours and my self respect if it's as bad as the original kenny blankenship Dec 2011 #47
The English language version of "Let the Right One In" was a Xerox of the original film. DCKit Dec 2011 #54
You can have a shot for shot remake, and lose the tone, characterization & theme kenny blankenship Dec 2011 #93
This message was self-deleted by its author emulatorloo Dec 2011 #108
also the actors themselves Ghost of Tom Joad Dec 2011 #181
"Stole Content"? They're on Netflix. DCKit Dec 2011 #53
The Swedish Dragon Tattoo Films are available on Netflix blogslut Dec 2011 #94
Netflix is a paid for service. Burgman Dec 2011 #155
there's this thing called a.....library. that's where I 'stole' it Gabi Hayes Dec 2011 #171
But it meant well. kenny blankenship Dec 2011 #188
hard to take writing/filmmaking that purport to be Gabi Hayes Dec 2011 #226
I agree. Text provides some distance from violence eridani Dec 2011 #31
Wow... I read the 1st in Madrid (a 3 week vacation) alittlelark Dec 2011 #10
I am glad you enjoyed them. Me? Not so much. ScreamingMeemie Dec 2011 #17
I couldn't read them either, I finally got the first on on cd and listening is much better than Ghost of Tom Joad Dec 2011 #182
I thought the books were great, and am also a Packer fan. Weird, huh? Scuba Dec 2011 #58
LOL! Habibi Dec 2011 #78
I'm with you. Bad writing, yet adored by those who seldom read thrillers mainer Dec 2011 #60
Just my opinion: It needed more editing. yodermon Dec 2011 #75
I actually considered that useful eridani Dec 2011 #166
I'm half way through the second book and they have both been absolutely brilliant.. truebrit71 Dec 2011 #88
I have read all three and agree with you. I liked the strong female character. nm rhett o rick Dec 2011 #131
I agree. Couldn't get through it myself. bigwillq Dec 2011 #222
male fantasy and glorification of rape in the name of feminism. seabeyond Dec 2011 #2
i highly doubt you read the books. sorry. dionysus Dec 2011 #7
Don't you think that the original title was a bit more than a straight in your face title? Burgman Dec 2011 #8
I saw it as glorifying revenge on rapists n/t eridani Dec 2011 #34
That's exactly how I saw it. a la izquierda Dec 2011 #157
This message was self-deleted by its author femrap Dec 2011 #183
Only your narrow radical feminist view is allowed to speak in the name of feminism? Major Nikon Dec 2011 #38
Those books may have gotten off to a rocky start, Are_grits_groceries Dec 2011 #57
you will NEVER see a graphic, explicit, drawn out scene of male on male rape. never. seabeyond Dec 2011 #63
amen seabeyond JustAnotherGen Dec 2011 #64
major whatever has yet to be on womens side in all of his posts. i dont take him too seriously. nt seabeyond Dec 2011 #74
Me either! JustAnotherGen Dec 2011 #79
It concerns me that hardly anyone else notices redqueen Dec 2011 #67
Sorry - you are wrong about this. cliffordu Dec 2011 #71
That's right, the movie "Pulp Fiction" doesn't exist. EOTE Dec 2011 #73
pulp fiction is the one out of all of them i have seen. and it is exactly how i describe. male on seabeyond Dec 2011 #77
So your issue is that male rape on film isn't graphic enough? EOTE Dec 2011 #81
you continue to reinforce the point i made. thanks.... seabeyond Dec 2011 #82
Ahhh, so a man being raped with a knife isn't graphic enough for you. Thanks for proving my point. EOTE Dec 2011 #83
+1 Well said. nt hifiguy Dec 2011 #92
post 105. i dont agree. nt seabeyond Dec 2011 #106
who really cares how many of the movies you've seen? DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2011 #109
how we change the issue. i never said there are NO movies that have male on male rape. seabeyond Dec 2011 #110
Nope, you simply said they weren't graphic enough. A man being raped with a knife... EOTE Dec 2011 #113
again, i have not seen the movie. you have named off quite a few movies and i have check them out seabeyond Dec 2011 #115
The issue is that you said there will never be an extended, graphic portrayal of male rape on the EOTE Dec 2011 #117
While I think this post skirts with calling a member out, MedicalAdmin Dec 2011 #123
That wasn't the point she was trying to make. EOTE Dec 2011 #145
tell me where i am wrong. seabeyond Dec 2011 #172
If you can't see where you're wrong, you're utterly blind. EOTE Dec 2011 #200
i wasnt talking to you. i have absolutely no expectation of you... at all. nt seabeyond Dec 2011 #201
And I have absolutely no expectation to see you tell the truth. EOTE Dec 2011 #204
and I quote: "you will NEVER see a graphic, explicit, drawn out scene of male on male rape. never." DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2011 #125
Spetters. Caligula. Bluenorthwest Dec 2011 #148
Don't forget American History X Hugabear Dec 2011 #128
Deliverence? NeedleCast Dec 2011 #91
Not so graphic it wasn't shown on television in the early seventies. saras Dec 2011 #99
HEAVILY edited cliffordu Dec 2011 #107
with todays standard, no, not graphic, which is my point. top 10 horrifying moments seabeyond Dec 2011 #105
I love how your comment was twisted... redqueen Dec 2011 #112
Intellectual dishonesty? EOTE Dec 2011 #114
That's more a difference of opinion. redqueen Dec 2011 #116
Actual dishonesty is talking for certain about things which you know nothing about. EOTE Dec 2011 #118
i am saying i want to see more brutal rape of men? or less brutal rape of women? or.... seabeyond Dec 2011 #121
You said those portrayals of rape don't exist. EOTE Dec 2011 #144
I think you may be talking past each other. redqueen Dec 2011 #122
She said that there will NEVER be a graphic, extended male rape scene on film. EOTE Dec 2011 #146
Oh come on. redqueen Dec 2011 #147
Then what did she mean by it? EOTE Dec 2011 #154
And regarding the meat of the issue. EOTE Dec 2011 #156
If by 'lurid detail' you mean sexualized, then yes. redqueen Dec 2011 #168
I have never seen a rape on film that I considered to be sexualized, male or female. EOTE Dec 2011 #199
Well that's why you and I redqueen Dec 2011 #202
It doesn't help that when trying to counter an argument, I'm told that I can't take it seriously. EOTE Dec 2011 #205
? redqueen Dec 2011 #206
Just a few posts ago: EOTE Dec 2011 #207
She is talking about sexualization on film. redqueen Dec 2011 #208
She said graphic and extended. And that is without a doubt untrue. EOTE Dec 2011 #209
having seen none of these movies except pulp seabeyond Dec 2011 #120
Deliverance came pretty close n/t DFW Dec 2011 #124
I have one word for you.... daleanime Dec 2011 #135
The rape scene in the Swedish film version was no more graphic than Deliverance tclambert Dec 2011 #137
"Fun" aside, redqueen Dec 2011 #139
not much of a burroughs fan, I'd guess. that said, Gabi Hayes Dec 2011 #173
Well, this response started a lot of pointless dithering over hyperbole. boppers Dec 2011 #193
please point out where i said there was not male on male rape in film. seabeyond Dec 2011 #197
Regarding the duration of the scenes... redqueen Dec 2011 #203
Just saw the original GWtDT movie. boppers Dec 2011 #224
I don't know if it 'glorified' rape per se JustAnotherGen Dec 2011 #65
( Spoiler below ) I don't know how anyone can think of that book redqueen Dec 2011 #68
Oh, and women who enacts violent revenge... apparently that's somehow feminist. seabeyond Dec 2011 #72
Yeah, sexualized violence isn't my thing, redqueen Dec 2011 #80
I think that spoiler part was just another sign of the main character's overall confusion... truebrit71 Dec 2011 #149
A Feminist is one who shaves her pits and calls men pigs? Moonwalk Dec 2011 #170
If a woman helped her "achieve pride and restoration", would that be different in your eyes? boppers Dec 2011 #190
The "stereotype" i was referring to was the Andrew Dworkin "all sex is rape" type of radical... truebrit71 Dec 2011 #214
I don't see how it glorifies rape Dorian Gray Dec 2011 #70
It doesn't, in any way, shape or form... truebrit71 Dec 2011 #150
except in my original statement i did not focus just on the rape seabeyond Dec 2011 #153
I wasn't referring to you specifically, but rather others that jumped on your bandwagon... truebrit71 Dec 2011 #159
Fair enough. seabeyond Dec 2011 #161
"feminist heroin"..... Interesting typo. boppers Dec 2011 #191
Have you read the books? polly7 Dec 2011 #189
That is absolute bollocks.. truebrit71 Dec 2011 #90
they did not change the title here from "Män som hatar kvinnor", and the books were a splash hit for stockholmer Dec 2011 #160
Based upon what Lisbeth does to her rapist, I would say empowering (nt) Nye Bevan Dec 2011 #3
Yep. Odin2005 Dec 2011 #6
+1000 alittlelark Dec 2011 #13
You are back!! How is your son??!! riderinthestorm Dec 2011 #40
It appears to be a non-ossifying fibroma, but we need to alittlelark Dec 2011 #43
Is that serious? riderinthestorm Dec 2011 #44
We don't really know how serious it is. alittlelark Dec 2011 #46
I can't find the smilies link yet on DU3 riderinthestorm Dec 2011 #48
Neither can I ! alittlelark Dec 2011 #51
Farrah Fawcett in "Extremities" comes to mind n/t Mira Dec 2011 #76
empowering for sure trumad Dec 2011 #12
Her type of female archetype is lacking in fiction - for that alone its empowering. firehorse Dec 2011 #16
Said better than I could have. Burgman Dec 2011 #18
She's also a bisexual Aspie eridani Dec 2011 #35
I admired Lizbeth very much. Whisp Dec 2011 #41
Do you read much thriller fiction? mainer Dec 2011 #61
La Femme Nikita, Anyone? NashVegas Dec 2011 #151
Precisely. Anyone who says characters like Lisbeth are "unique" isn't reading much these days. mainer Dec 2011 #169
really....familiar with any of these: Gabi Hayes Dec 2011 #177
Da Vinci Code made me twitch. A lot. Not in good ways. boppers Dec 2011 #192
Originally I typed La Femme Nakita and ... tank girl and cat woman. But I erased them, because they firehorse Dec 2011 #213
Nikita (My misspelling) NashVegas Dec 2011 #223
I read the books and saw the swedish films.... the swedish casting was refreshing. firehorse Dec 2011 #225
I read a lot of fiction but the female characters often lack complexity and development in the arch firehorse Dec 2011 #218
"it can be very validating, healing, to those who have been victimized" redqueen Dec 2011 #101
I've only heard positive comments about the books, though I haven't read them myself. n/t tammywammy Dec 2011 #20
The first book made me very uncomfortable XemaSab Dec 2011 #21
I can certainly see that. Burgman Dec 2011 #27
I liked the portrayal of Erica Berger eridani Dec 2011 #36
I liked that he managed to stay friends with former lovers eridani Dec 2011 #39
I heard it will be graphically gory? SecurityManager Dec 2011 #26
I saw the original movie. I thought it was gross. Depravity is gross, not entertaining. nt valerief Dec 2011 #28
I enjoyed the books and the three Swedish movies. I'll probably... TreasonousBastard Dec 2011 #30
People can complain about whatever they like. redqueen Dec 2011 #102
True. And I can call silly whatever I like. I can also note that often... TreasonousBastard Dec 2011 #184
While I may disagree with it, WHAT A GREAT REVIEW to read! Burgman Dec 2011 #185
+1 boppers Dec 2011 #194
She's clearly an Aspie, I thought it was empowering for THAT riderinthestorm Dec 2011 #32
for the most part i like the book, but i think having sexual violence to prove how strong a female La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2011 #37
I think that including sexual violence, especially for women ensnared in social services riderinthestorm Dec 2011 #45
I didn't think it was exploitive. mentalsolstice Dec 2011 #42
I loved the trilogy, but haven't seen the film. If it follows the tone of the books, it won't Liquorice Dec 2011 #49
I feel asleep during the 1st movie. aletier_v Dec 2011 #50
Both, at the same time, because all women are not the same. saras Dec 2011 #52
If you are bothered by the graphic nature of the rape scenes, Are_grits_groceries Dec 2011 #55
I liked the way Lisbeth was portrayed in Dragon Tattoo LadyHawkAZ Dec 2011 #56
Torture porn. n/t retread Dec 2011 #59
I liked the first movie, but the 3rd was boring. Bucky Dec 2011 #62
Not a holiday movie, nor does 9-11 put me in the holiday mood Johonny Dec 2011 #66
The books were overrated Dorian Gray Dec 2011 #69
saw the swedish version. saw the trailer at the movies: Gabi Hayes Dec 2011 #178
The book was good storytelling Taverner Dec 2011 #84
I like the books and the movies marlakay Dec 2011 #85
exploitative mimitabby Dec 2011 #86
I thought Lisbeth was always the smartest and toughest person in the room Whisp Dec 2011 #95
My personal heroine pscot Dec 2011 #100
I can't think of a comparable American heroine like she is. Whisp Dec 2011 #103
You might like Carole O'Connell's series featuring Kathy Mallory emulatorloo Dec 2011 #111
Thanks, wrote that down. nt Whisp Dec 2011 #127
Try a few of these authors for strong heroines: mainer Dec 2011 #126
I thank you too. Whisp Dec 2011 #129
best recent kick-ass female in american film mainer Dec 2011 #136
oh, just recalled Eon Flux with Charlize Theron. Whisp Dec 2011 #198
Have read Paretsky and Barr, they are great emulatorloo Dec 2011 #134
There are plenty of books out there that are not dark Marrah_G Dec 2011 #217
I liked all three books a lot Time for change Dec 2011 #87
I loved the series. BlueMTexpat Dec 2011 #89
Agree with these thoughts on the books - TBF Dec 2011 #119
Exploitive. randome Dec 2011 #96
'action babes?' Whisp Dec 2011 #104
I liked all three movies, and all three books. Hulk Dec 2011 #97
And yet your username is 'Hulk'. randome Dec 2011 #98
You wouldn't like him when he's angry. boppers Dec 2011 #195
Well said. nm rhett o rick Dec 2011 #133
Easiest conclusion for us to make when confronted by opinions different than our own LanternWaste Dec 2011 #141
Setting people on fire might be offensive to others. tclambert Dec 2011 #130
I have read the books and seen the Swedish movies and loved them all. rhett o rick Dec 2011 #132
Saw the trilogy, did not read the books ProudToBeBlueInRhody Dec 2011 #138
It's not the portrayal itself, redqueen Dec 2011 #140
Neither. Sometimes a movie is just a movie. OneTenthofOnePercent Dec 2011 #142
I saw part of the original film, I thought it was thinly disguised porn and walked out. ThomWV Dec 2011 #143
Interesting. Burgman Dec 2011 #152
I loved the books and the Swedish films. a la izquierda Dec 2011 #158
It's a work of fiction. sendero Dec 2011 #165
I would tend to disagree. Burgman Dec 2011 #167
The book was fascinating and moved quickly. indivisibleman Dec 2011 #174
Saw it last night. It's really good. DevonRex Dec 2011 #211
I did too.. it was bloody brilliant... truebrit71 Dec 2011 #212
Neither - it's just a really fun read Politicub Dec 2011 #175
More about Stieg Larsson canoeist52 Dec 2011 #176
The Question is Problematic--There are Three Aspects to Consider... Moonwalk Dec 2011 #179
nit: per say? ITYM per se. boppers Dec 2011 #196
Good read varelse Dec 2011 #180
good movies Vattel Dec 2011 #186
i thought the swedish version of the movie was excellent madrchsod Dec 2011 #187
Empowering. DevonRex Dec 2011 #210
I think good movies often show the dark side of humanity. n/t Marrah_G Dec 2011 #215
One other thing- I am trying hard to not be offended Marrah_G Dec 2011 #216
i was wondering that myself... and don't have an answer. teh "gay sex" in the books wasn't offensive dionysus Dec 2011 #221
the books were riveting, and lisbeth is a bad-fucking-ass. swedish movies were ok (saw the first 2) dionysus Dec 2011 #220
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