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5. The First Amendment

Fri Jun 20, 2014, 11:48 PM

Jun 2014

I think what he said about the first amendment was an important point. When governments become opaque, they become increasingly totalitarian. Sunlight is the best disinfectant - U.S. Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis. As for when he went after the other guest, I guess you would have to understand how a lawyer is taught to think in law school. Letting one's opponent get the upper hand is the one sure way to lose the case. I didn't find anything wrong with his zealous representation of his client, Ed Snowden. And lets not forget, today the US House voted to restrict the NSA's ability to spy on Americans without a warrant. Does anyone think that this would have remotely happened without the work of Ed Snowden, Laura Poitras, and Glenn Greenwald? I know that I don't.

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G. Greenwald is addicted to arguing, isn't he? [View all] MrScorpio Jun 2014 OP

It's interesting how we tend to pathologize those with which we disagree. Gravitycollapse Jun 2014 #1

Indeed it is LordGlenconner Jun 2014 #138

I admire his tenacity quinnox Jun 2014 #2

The First Amendment AtlantaBlue Jun 2014 #5

Agreed! quinnox Jun 2014 #8

As GG has no license to practice law, ES is not his client. nt msanthrope Jun 2014 #13

Like you, I seriously doubt that this would have happened without Snowden et al. Vattel Jun 2014 #64

No, it would never have happened without them or their like. nt ancianita Jun 2014 #96

When bullshit in journalism is close to a media standard, no-bullshit journalist is subversive. nt ancianita Jun 2014 #94

No he's not. Hassin Bin Sober Jun 2014 #3

he may be addicted to love hfojvt Jun 2014 #83

I would listen to Richard Clarke rather than GG bradla Jun 2014 #4

have to agree with Richard Clarke... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #6

On some things... AtlantaBlue Jun 2014 #7

Clarke billhicks76 Jun 2014 #17

Clarke is like many smart posters on this board...able to decry government excesses while msanthrope Jun 2014 #18

Really? billhicks76 Jun 2014 #22

Yes, really. nt msanthrope Jun 2014 #24

Totally Backwards billhicks76 Jun 2014 #72

Snowden is/was NOT a whistle - blower .. 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #76

Yes he is. Hissyspit Jun 2014 #91

Not according to the whistle - blower law. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #120

That shitty watered-down thing? Hissyspit Jun 2014 #121

Be that as it may ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #122

Yeah, that would upset GG.. Snowden is his cash cow. Cha Jun 2014 #10

To Each Their Own billhicks76 Jun 2014 #14

Clark knows a lot more about national security than Greebwald does. And the damage that lumpy Jun 2014 #78

If harm has been done, the NSA must prove it. Maedhros Jun 2014 #134

You mean he made an argument? Hissyspit Jun 2014 #86

he's obsessed with it. he can dish out shit but don't try to point out he's wrong..he'll come after Cha Jun 2014 #9

We Need People Obsessed With It billhicks76 Jun 2014 #11

Yeah, GG is vicious when he's wrong... never admits it. Self righteous a$$hole. Cha Jun 2014 #12

I Like When Journalists Get Vicious billhicks76 Jun 2014 #15

And now that GG has sold out to Omidayar, that makes him Pierre's steno. nt msanthrope Jun 2014 #20

Hey, but getting paid by a billionaire oligarch libertarian frazzled Jun 2014 #23

Indeed.....the more Libertarian your money is, the cleaner! nt msanthrope Jun 2014 #25

The Message billhicks76 Jun 2014 #27

This is the truth. PragmaticLiberal Jun 2014 #16

Exactly PragmatricLiberal! Mr Scorpio is dead on. Cha Jun 2014 #19

He is a lawyer. What do you expect? It's his job to argue. It's his job to think. JDPriestly Jun 2014 #21

He argued and burnt bridges AgingAmerican Jun 2014 #26

+1 Lint Head Jun 2014 #28

Greenwald did not receive a Pulitzer prize. lumpy Jun 2014 #81

Yes - he was just the lead reporter for the Guardian Maedhros Jun 2014 #135

Greenwald didn't win a Pulitzer prize. The British newspaper The Guardian that revealed lumpy Jun 2014 #80

I did. You an parse it any way you want. Lint Head Jun 2014 #97

Parse? Uh...OK lumpy Jun 2014 #131

Read? I detect condescension. Lint Head Jun 2014 #133

Ignore Lumpy. He's not arguing in good faith. Maedhros Jun 2014 #136

I watched that and I must say.... Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #29

here we go again grasswire Jun 2014 #33

And the haters pretend to be so sorry for him elias49 Jun 2014 #35

I've known some people with these kinds of anger issues... Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #51

Doctor Cali Democrat? grasswire Jun 2014 #87

She can't stop it. It's part of the smear campaign. Vattel Jun 2014 #119

Some of us are not 'defenders' of the NSA, just against a journalist who seeks glory by riding the lumpy Jun 2014 #84

I'm sorry. I must have missed that new 9/11. Fawke Em Jun 2014 #118

The fact that several news outlets/individuals have access to the remaining NSA documents lumpy Jun 2014 #132

That's kind of you.. I don't feel sorry for him at all. He's his own worst enemy and Cha Jun 2014 #36

Hmmm, I wasn't aware that you had the creds to diagnose over the tee vee, like the Ablow guy on Foox tea and oranges Jun 2014 #77

this armchair psychologist stuff is insidious and odious grasswire Jun 2014 #90

Fuckety fuck totally! tea and oranges Jun 2014 #105

^^^^^^^^^^^nt grasswire Jun 2014 #106

You really don't have a shred of decency, do you? Vattel Jun 2014 #128

LOL...the ardent Greenwald defenders didn't like my post. Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #130

I can see that too. Especially at the NSA where the Eleventh Circuit Court of Appeals said "no" Lint Head Jun 2014 #30

Why would Greenwald feel challenged? MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 #31

He's an attorney. QuestForSense Jun 2014 #32

Love those straw man arguments. nt Live and Learn Jun 2014 #34

Mr Scorpio pointing out GG's "he always has to be right".. is a "straw man argument"? Cha Jun 2014 #37

It is the, "even if they're initially wrong" part of the argument that made it invalid. nt Live and Learn Jun 2014 #39

Nope.. just pointing out the facts. That's an especially valid point with Greenwald. Cha Jun 2014 #42

No, that is your opinion, not a valid argument. nt Live and Learn Jun 2014 #45

Oh Riiiiight! I forgot.. Greenwald's NEVER WRONG. LOL Cha Jun 2014 #55

Another invalid argument. Live and Learn Jun 2014 #57

Exactly. Because he's wrong quite often and refuses to admit it. Cha Jun 2014 #58

And, you still forgot to use the 'in my opinion', Live and Learn Jun 2014 #59

I don't have to ..you keep kicking this thread to say it for me. Cha Jun 2014 #61

No, I am betting that you keep kicking the thread because Live and Learn Jun 2014 #62

LOL KICK! Cha Jun 2014 #63

In your opinion? Live and learn. lumpy Jun 2014 #85

His dismissal over "it's about Greenwald and Snowden" bugs me the most. joshcryer Jun 2014 #38

Why aren't you insisting that the NY Times, The Guardian, and Bart Gellman RELEASE THE FILES! Luminous Animal Jun 2014 #43

I already said Gellman should release them. joshcryer Jun 2014 #44

Pro Publica and the NY Times have them. Luminous Animal Jun 2014 #46

Then they should release them. joshcryer Jun 2014 #49

Indeed. Start OP after OP after OP after OP after OP after OP after OP after OP after OP after OP Luminous Animal Jun 2014 #50

Why would I spam the forum? joshcryer Jun 2014 #52

Hopefully they won't release them for security reasons. lumpy Jun 2014 #93

How do you know. Prove it. Snowden forbid them originals; they could only get viralled copies ancianita Jun 2014 #98

The Guardian gave what they had to them. You think the Guardian is lying? Luminous Animal Jun 2014 #103

When did this happen? I'm going to ask Greenwald about this this coming Thursday in Chicago. ancianita Jun 2014 #108

August 2013 and nobody claimed the NY Times got all of it. Luminous Animal Jun 2014 #137

The documents are supposidly to be scanned for US security reasons, according to Greenwald's lumpy Jun 2014 #92

Horrors that someone argues politics. I suggest that DU shut its doors. SHUT IT DOWN. Luminous Animal Jun 2014 #40

Welcome back. joshcryer Jun 2014 #41

What do you mean when you say DU should shut its doors? Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #47

It must be a very very very bad thing to arguing politics. Luminous Animal Jun 2014 #48

Greenwald's responses on Real Time were nothing but spittle. joshcryer Jun 2014 #53

You saw nothing of the kind. I watched the whole show and nothing of the sort happened. Why bullshit ancianita Jun 2014 #99

not according to the audience grasswire Jun 2014 #107

People cheered over Crossfire too. joshcryer Jun 2014 #112

Have you seen Real Time with Bill Maher before? Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #54

Anger expressed over our loss of our civil rights is so de classe. Luminous Animal Jun 2014 #60

I've seen Ann Coulter keep her shit together better. Wow....that was quite the display by GG. nt msanthrope Jun 2014 #69

Saying "bullshit" after being rudely interrupted is not keeping your shit together? Bullshit. ancianita Jun 2014 #100

Well, like your reply, it does seem to indicate a fair amount of heat that a more msanthrope Jun 2014 #104

audience 100, msanthrope 1 grasswire Jun 2014 #110

I'm okay with not being one of the "popular kids" grasswire. Nor do I care msanthrope Jun 2014 #116

Heh. That was rhetoric, not heat. ancianita Jun 2014 #117

Yes, we should all use Ann Coulter as a measurement for successful discourse. Hissyspit Jun 2014 #126

Oh fucking hell, Greenwald just fawned over the GOP on Real Time. joshcryer Jun 2014 #56

Just you wait until August, MrScorpio! randome Jun 2014 #65

I really stepped into it this time MrScorpio Jun 2014 #67

I thank you for your post.. someone had to say it. It needed to be discussed.. Cha Jun 2014 #74

Wow: Hissyspit Jun 2014 #124

I know some right wingers like that treestar Jun 2014 #66

Treadmills only go in one direction. randome Jun 2014 #68

This thread says way more about your mania than his whatchamacallit Jun 2014 #70

I wrote an elaboration in post #67 MrScorpio Jun 2014 #71

Just your opinion? lumpy Jun 2014 #95

What a very sharp observation. KittyWampus Jun 2014 #73

Satire, right? Hissyspit Jun 2014 #127

I'd personally love to have a chat with him Blue_Tires Jun 2014 #75

K&R, thank you, MrS. Before there was SNOWDEN, I had never heard of GREENWALD UTUSN Jun 2014 #79

unlike most of the rest of us hfojvt Jun 2014 #82

We're really scraping the bottom of the barrel on ad Hominem, aren't we? Hissyspit Jun 2014 #88

When you're the best informed, personally, by a whistleblower, it's tempting to respond to the ancianita Jun 2014 #89

Yeah, GG is over the top.. it's so obvious to not mention it would be sweeping it under the rug. Cha Jun 2014 #101

And this isn't?: Hissyspit Jun 2014 #125

Naw AgingAmerican Jun 2014 #102

it gets really old and smelly nt grasswire Jun 2014 #111

Grennwald. LOL... SidDithers Jun 2014 #109

+1 Couldn't agree more! He's a right wing propagandist! B Calm Jun 2014 #113

Aw. You must be one of those people who are scared of clowns! elias49 Jun 2014 #114

Like I said. Comedy gold... SidDithers Jun 2014 #115

Actually, as I already pointed out... Hissyspit Jun 2014 #123

Kind of like most LWolf Jun 2014 #129