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31. the last quotes were fine. They referred to Iraqis taking responsibility for their own security

Sun Jun 15, 2014, 10:51 AM

Jun 2014

. . . you are really straining to find differences here, fact is, Hillary didn't like or agree with what Bush ultimately did in Iraq and wanted the occupation to end like everyone else.

I don't understand this ragging on her for that; legitimate to criticize her vote and her rationale for believing Bush - way off the mark and over the top criticizing her resolve to end the occupation.

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Contrast pre-Iraq war views of Bob Graham and the Clintons. We need to remember. [View all] madfloridian Jun 2014 OP

it remains to be seen which will recover first - this country from reagan or the dem party from the KG Jun 2014 #1

She is shameless. and contemptible and Clinton engages in raw historical revisionism. cali Jun 2014 #2

how are you going to vote for her if she wins the Primary while speaking the heinous stuff VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #13

I opine. You call it "spewing"- which is fine. Your opinion is worth little to me. cali Jun 2014 #17

you don't opine....you spew vile hatred of the woman day in and day out.... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #61

Shameless you say? Let's look at the evidence. A Simple Game Jun 2014 #20

"Historical revisionism" is a generous description of her many "Misspeaks" Divernan Jun 2014 #30

you're accusing her of revisionism using a mix of charges from a right wing source bigtree Jun 2014 #36

You resort to name calling when you cannot refute a single charge. Hmmmmm. Divernan Jun 2014 #53

no. I pointing to your reliance on a well-known republican sympathizer for your 'facts' bigtree Jun 2014 #56

And that's because you can't refute a single instance. Sad. Divernan Jun 2014 #58

no. It's because you're promoting right-wing bullshit bigtree Jun 2014 #59

Dude, nobody needs to refute any claim by Dick Morris MohRokTah Jun 2014 #63

Let me help you out on Dick Morris and his lack of credibility toward the Clintons. madfloridian Jun 2014 #73

I agree with you on Dick Morris as a source. madfloridian Jun 2014 #67

in the history biz it's called MisterP Jun 2014 #46

that has its origins in holocaust denial bigtree Jun 2014 #52

Not I rock Jun 2014 #64

won't you please tell us how you really feel. WhiteTara Jun 2014 #70

It's a shame that it turned out the way it did. Turbineguy Jun 2014 #3

It's a crime that the U.S. invaded Iraq under false pretenses cali Jun 2014 #4

It was yes. Turbineguy Jun 2014 #7

it's not a shame, it's was inevitable. no enterprise based on such craven deceit could ever KG Jun 2014 #6

I take a less fatalistic view. Turbineguy Jun 2014 #9

The Iraqi people are victims. madfloridian Jun 2014 #10

In October 2002 Bob Graham begged fellow senators to read the "entire" NIE on WMDs. madfloridian Jun 2014 #5

Graham should be the one on the Sunday morning shows. Justice Jun 2014 #22

Can't help but think, based tom_kelly Jun 2014 #23

Are you serious - what an idiot. Justice Jun 2014 #24

It boggles my mind that this country Vattel Jun 2014 #8

This country does field serious candidates for the presidency that can unequivocally A Simple Game Jun 2014 #16

Fair enough, I guess it depends on how you define serious. Vattel Jun 2014 #26

You don't have to look to the minor parties. Jim Lane Jun 2014 #45

Kucinich never made it through the primaries, I am unaffiliated so don't consider A Simple Game Jun 2014 #65

I already answered your question. Jim Lane Jun 2014 #69

"When did we become a nation that ignores and berates our friends and calls them irrelevant?" KeepItReal Jun 2014 #11

I was just watching the last one. madfloridian Jun 2014 #40

Kerry on Iraq ctsnowman Jun 2014 #12

From the OP 90-percent Jun 2014 #14

Well then... madfloridian Jun 2014 #15

I will not vote for Hillary. Katashi_itto Jun 2014 #18

Pretty similar to Howard Dean's position back in the day, huh? wyldwolf Jun 2014 #19

No, not really. madfloridian Jun 2014 #41

yeah, I must have missed it. wyldwolf Jun 2014 #43

That's why I have credibility in recognizing the same kind of adoration now. madfloridian Jun 2014 #44

Well, looks like Dean has taken his twitter private. madfloridian Jun 2014 #74

No, that is actually a materially different (though arguably a potentially equally stupid) position TheKentuckian Jun 2014 #42

"Freedom" for whom, exactly. To do *what*, exactly? Smarmie Doofus Jun 2014 #21

Did we save the receipt Union Scribe Jun 2014 #25

If you're damned if you do and damned if you don't... Iggo Jun 2014 #27

Invading someone's country, killing and torturing their people, destroying their country AND sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #28

I don't know any Democrats personally who will vote for Hillary Oilwellian Jun 2014 #29

I know plenty of Democrats personally who like Hillary a lot bigtree Jun 2014 #32

If DU's an echo chamber & HRC has a lock on the nomination, why are you here? Divernan Jun 2014 #33

that line about a lock isn't mine - but she's got a good start for the nomination bigtree Jun 2014 #34

I explicitly explained why I perceived your statement as disparaging. Divernan Jun 2014 #35

I'll call it volatile, just so you can move on. bigtree Jun 2014 #39

"Volatile" is also disparaging. You really need to use a dictionary! Divernan Jun 2014 #57

I suppose it is. I stand by the word. bigtree Jun 2014 #60

Clinton got 17.5 million votes in 2008 wyldwolf Jun 2014 #47

the last quotes were fine. They referred to Iraqis taking responsibility for their own security bigtree Jun 2014 #31

I did not have to "strain" to find differences. They were very real. madfloridian Jun 2014 #37

it's a stretch to look for differences in her desire to end the occupation bigtree Jun 2014 #38

Hard to believe an apology? joshcryer Jun 2014 #48

This was a vote that affected all of us, affected the world's stability, our country's reputation. madfloridian Jun 2014 #49

She voted for the war because it was expedient. She apologized for her vote for the same reason. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2014 #50

And neva forget it; the last thing we need is anotha warmonger in the White House (biggest reason we chose Obama over Hillary). InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2014 #76

When it comes to the Clintons, I really don't know what they believe... Drunken Irishman Jun 2014 #51

Some of us remember the same story (believe it or not) about Vietnam! Sancho Jun 2014 #54

Oh, no! madfloridian Jun 2014 #55

Bill Clinton should have known better. moondust Jun 2014 #62

President Obama is certainly damned if he does. Enthusiast Jun 2014 #66

GTFO IS a good option. Then, help America lead by example, not violence. If we can ever lead again. grahamhgreen Jun 2014 #68

Kick FloriTexan Jun 2014 #71

Thanks. madfloridian Jun 2014 #72

I wonder if Bill Clinton has seen the Rachel Maddow documentary? Hissyspit Jun 2014 #75

That statement was hard to believe. madfloridian Jun 2014 #77