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394. Well, the Best Generally Available Source is Probably the Washington Post Article
Mon Jun 2, 2014, 09:19 PM
Jun 2014

It showed a program operating legitimately as described with about the level of violations you would expect for an effort that size, such the one analyst who was doing three-step rather than two-step phone searching asa well as data entry errors such as the one with the Egyptian country code. How anyone can square the wealth of detail in that article with Greenwald's articles is beyond me.

As far as private sources go, you would be surprised how many posters here have some idea how government actually works and recognize the earmarks of propaganda when they hear it. Greenwald is an outsider, to put kindly, and appears to take Snowden at his word despite a number of red flags and known exaggerations. For anyone familiar with the intelligence communities, the picture that he portrays of how the US government operates is so at odds with reality that is strains credulity.

Personally, my perspective on the NSA comes from a recently retired NSA Deputy Director with a close family connection I have known for decades -- a lifelong Democrat from a union family in the Northeast with unimpeachable integrity, street smarts, and an Ivy League PhD. I've known a lot of NSA people, and as a group they are decent, smart, middle-class people. It is no more likely for that group to engage in the kind of shenanigans they are accused of than for your mother and father. The whole agency has been going crazy, largely because the rank and file keep hearing things on the news no one can square with anyone's actual experience.

Snowden did break the news of the existence of the phone record database, although the alternative being adopted is really not substantially different from the previous status quo. I guess it's a matter of opinion, but his 'revelations' are so erratic I think people are less well informed now than before. And that's saying a lot.



So... Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #1
Yeah, that's *exactly* what the post says gratuitous Jun 2014 #6
How else should I intepret the following: Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #7
"persona management" was well documented in the HB Gary hack... Jesus Malverde Jun 2014 #93
So how is it possible for us to identify the government operatives here? nt Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #139
That's easy ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #144
That seems to be the case. Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #165
How well does the NSA pay? The Third Way/DLC is a good wage, but the hours msanthrope Jun 2014 #169
not as good as Pierre, Pierre the Billionaire pays. n/t Whisp Jun 2014 #183
That sweet, sweet Omidayar money? Nice work if you can get it..... msanthrope Jun 2014 #192
Maybe Just People Obsessed a With It billhicks76 Jun 2014 #404
Obviously Not billhicks76 Jun 2014 #407
People who use talking points. Those who are exressing their own thoughts, do not use sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #170
The beauty and the power of their system is you cant Jesus Malverde Jun 2014 #406
Excellent post. The immediate attempts to invoke "tinfoil hat" woo me with science Jun 2014 #292
+1,000,000!!! Fox News was the 1st large scale Dustlawyer Jun 2014 #306
+googleplex FOX hates Snowden billhicks76 Jun 2014 #408
I appreciate your constant return to this issue: woo me with science Jun 2014 #422
You know it! I have talk about this with a couple of RW friends, but their hate of Democrats keeps Dustlawyer Jun 2014 #439
The Obama Administration started "Message Control Teams" from Day One. bvar22 Jun 2014 #363
Cass Sunstein? billhicks76 Jun 2014 #409
Thank you. A sick, authoritarian focus on message control/propagandizing rather then representing woo me with science Jun 2014 #421
How about his statement that those worried about the double fast, double secret TPP are merrily Jun 2014 #454
Thank you. woo me with science Jun 2014 #474
It would not surprise me one bit... elzenmahn Jun 2014 #114
Message Control started very early in the Obama Administration: bvar22 Jun 2014 #324
Because that's the way Rahm plays... Generic Other Jun 2014 #350
There was a faction on the 'left' several years ago, bloggers mostly, who publicly discussed using sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #384
The message control Generic Other Jun 2014 #387
You would think when they see it doesn't work, they would try something a bit more effective. But sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #388
Proof positive... elzenmahn Jun 2014 #376
As if all Democratic groups are liberal groups. merrily Jun 2014 #456
My basic question is how can we have a group of posters here that claim they are politically liberal rhett o rick Jun 2014 #214
If someone is taking the side of the NSA The Green Manalishi Jun 2014 #275
You make it hard to argue. rhett o rick Jun 2014 #284
Your description is better The Green Manalishi Jun 2014 #294
Nailed it up tight. bvar22 Jun 2014 #327
The old Bush-era DU was one that had no nuance Generic Other Jun 2014 #359
Do you really have to soft coat everything? L0oniX Jun 2014 #335
It's a fault I am working on. rhett o rick Jun 2014 #419
I have another theory Rhett Caretha Jun 2014 #397
I tried to give them some credit, but you make a great case. They literally have nothing to rhett o rick Jun 2014 #420
Simple Caretha Jun 2014 #395
Read the OP and the links before trying to summarize the vast amount of info provided as to how sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #122
That could explain how the Quislings are able pocoloco Jun 2014 #123
Jury Results: bvar22 Jun 2014 #201
Sanity prevails. L0oniX Jun 2014 #336
Thankfully! bvar22 Jun 2014 #367
RW Quisling, NSA quisling, Bush quisling, 1pct quisling, stupid quisling, ... erronis Jun 2014 #372
Post removed Post removed Jun 2014 #160
I was the first post... Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #164
You're so deep undercover, you didn't even know it! randome Jun 2014 #167
They can do that now. Deep brainwashing controlled by your cell phone and computer! flamingdem Jun 2014 #172
Oh, Christ! My cell phone just turned itself on! Help! randome Jun 2014 #173
So are you the leader? Does that make me a follower? nt msanthrope Jun 2014 #171
Not to worry, they got him. He got a hide for saying some here are authoritarians. rhett o rick Jun 2014 #331
He got a hide for linking to whale.to SidDithers Jun 2014 #334
I think his post should be considered on it's content. But then I am not trying to use rhett o rick Jun 2014 #338
Yeah, that's what I thought you'd say... SidDithers Jun 2014 #340
That's what I thought you'd say. Are you seriously trying to save DU from evil? I dont rhett o rick Jun 2014 #345
"I dont know shite about the site."... SidDithers Jun 2014 #347
Nice try, but I am not "defending it's use." We dont have a banned site list that I know of rhett o rick Jun 2014 #352
Well you weren't on the jury... SidDithers Jun 2014 #353
I am not the one trying to mold DU into a site that excludes intellectual discussions. A site where rhett o rick Jun 2014 #358
Obsessing on telling the rest us what to think and read Generic Other Jun 2014 #362
This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceNikki Jun 2014 #443
No, you're the one trying to mold the site into the Yahoo boards... SidDithers Jun 2014 #402
But you never post in discussion threads. You seem obsessed with policing DU and locking and hiding rhett o rick Jun 2014 #417
Daddy is looking out for us bobduca Jun 2014 #424
Smoochy, moochy...nt SidDithers Jun 2014 #427
ETERNAL VIGILANCE!!!1111111 bobduca Jun 2014 #428
My location has been in my profile since 2002... SidDithers Jun 2014 #429
I think its admirable, the work you are doing to erode the stereotype of Canadians bobduca Jun 2014 #431
...snort! grasswire Oct 2014 #478
He posts, but I have not seen a post of his on actual issues. merrily Jun 2014 #458
Those that post only adulation for the President and disparage those that dont, are rhett o rick Jun 2014 #463
I haven't even seen his adulation of the President posts. merrily Jun 2014 #465
Yes, now that you say that, I do agree. nm rhett o rick Jun 2014 #466
Jury results: X_Digger Jun 2014 #426
Comparing pocoloco's post with the postthat was hidden shows the inconsistencies of the jury system. merrily Jun 2014 #459
The alert, hide and lock team has power thru persistence and organization. rhett o rick Jun 2014 #462
Is concerted action already implied in "organization?" merrily Jun 2014 #464
They act as a "Team". They all post in the Snowden hate threads and none post in fracking, TPP rhett o rick Jun 2014 #467
Someone posted that he or she stumbled on the "place" where the coordination happens. merrily Jun 2014 #468
Self-righteousness gone horribly wrong. nm rhett o rick Jun 2014 #473
facebook, I think grasswire Oct 2014 #479
So you are the one Caretha Jun 2014 #398
Damn right I did... SidDithers Jun 2014 #403
Do you keep score of the alerts? Generic Other Jun 2014 #423
DUers have never been "allowed" to use material from right-wing sources to criticize Democrats... SidDithers Jun 2014 #425
Me and my pals? Generic Other Jun 2014 #430
Serial alerter?... SidDithers Jun 2014 #432
Yeah 'Sergeant-at-arms' was low bobduca Jun 2014 #434
Yes. Dudley always gets his man Generic Other Jun 2014 #436
I don't recall sending more than one or two alerts Generic Other Jun 2014 #435
Checked out whale.to yet?... SidDithers Jun 2014 #437
Why not? Generic Other Jun 2014 #441
Have you? The link that you used as an excuse to hide, was completely rhett o rick Jun 2014 #444
Yeah, and David Duke has criticisms of Obamacare... SidDithers Jun 2014 #446
The link was to an article that denigrated the Right Wing. But you got the hide. nm rhett o rick Jun 2014 #447
The link was to an anti-Semitic, conpiracist hate site... SidDithers Jun 2014 #448
Locking and hiding seems to be very important to some here that apparently dont understand rhett o rick Jun 2014 #449
And some don't believe that anything should ever be locked or hidden... SidDithers Jun 2014 #450
You are correct, I as a host think that the lock should be rarely used and the onus rhett o rick Jun 2014 #451
Most Hosts are able to independently evaluate an alerted thread and decide if it's on or off topic.. SidDithers Jun 2014 #455
Proved your point up thread. L0oniX Jun 2014 #337
the problem with the jury system is questionseverything Jun 2014 #438
Not necessarily all of them. A few might actually be Zorra Jun 2014 #286
What is the best way to identify "them" in your opinion? Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #288
Hacking the Third Way network. nt Zorra Jun 2014 #290
You seem like a reasonable person Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #291
More discussion? About what? The merits of what amounts to unwarranted, Zorra Jun 2014 #323
righteous post, there grasswire Jun 2014 #361
How eloquently stated! Generic Other Jun 2014 #392
Thank You. One of the best posts I've ever read here. Broward Jun 2014 #393
Bravo! Caretha Jun 2014 #399
Great post. BillZBubb Jun 2014 #401
I could not love you more for writing this. woo me with science Jun 2014 #414
DURec for Post # 323 by Zorra. bvar22 Jun 2014 #415
Great post. Those that disparage whistle-blowers, investigative journalists, OWS, Code Pink, rhett o rick Jun 2014 #445
Brilliant. think4yourself Jun 2014 #452
Almost all posts that begin with "So" and is followed by something NOBODY had said... bvar22 Jun 2014 #300
'So' is generally followed by 'what you are saying is' followed by a total misinterpretation of sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #319
Exactly. bvar22 Jun 2014 #329
•¡¡¡ -- Blue Links -- !!!• Whisp Jun 2014 #2
Only some people are allowed to post blue links. Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #3
Realistically I prefer my links in purple. Agschmid Jun 2014 #4
My browser shows all text in purple. Clicked on links turn green. Don't like black and blue... freshwest Jun 2014 #276
Someone should go to ATA and ask Skinner to assign different coloured links Whisp Jun 2014 #195
If you want "puce" links, bvar22 Jun 2014 #227
You may be too invested in a losing stock. Whisp Jun 2014 #229
A Pulitzer Prize Winning "Losing Stock"! bvar22 Jun 2014 #234
Probably yes. He may be better at that Whisp Jun 2014 #235
"stumbling around and forgetting what lies and exaggerations he told" bvar22 Jun 2014 #242
are you calling me a thief? because that would be very, very rich. Whisp Jun 2014 #245
Painted yourself into a corner? bvar22 Jun 2014 #253
You said I steal stuff from the Internet... Whisp Jun 2014 #254
Are you the original composer of the photoshop you posted? bvar22 Jun 2014 #262
I 'borrow' Tiger Beat images, and Fox Mulder posters, yes. Whisp Jun 2014 #264
Tiger Beat???? bvar22 Jun 2014 #271
Not the original versions that were meant to shame and belittle Obama supporters Whisp Jun 2014 #274
+1! sheshe2 Jun 2014 #301
I'm glad to have seen that. It CONFIRMS that the talking points are being distributed sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #418
Well, THAT explains everything. bvar22 Jun 2014 #326
Perhaps you should read the terms of service at Tiger Beat. bvar22 Jun 2014 #377
Took you a while to get a posse and get lawyered up, eh? Whisp Jun 2014 #378
Lol, I know, Tiger Beat, that's what I was thinking. I think that is for preteen fans of sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #317
Whoever brought Tiger Beat covers to DU to insult Obama supporters Whisp Jun 2014 #342
Okay, I haven't seen them ... that explains it then. sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #382
Here is your proof, not that it will make any difference to you Whisp Jun 2014 #270
You are on a roll! sheshe2 Jun 2014 #302
lol. ty. Whisp Jun 2014 #303
so I steal stuff and Snowden just borrows stuff, right? Whisp Jun 2014 #261
Technically both of you violated copyrights Generic Other Jun 2014 #364
You should inform Skinner, Elad and all the other posters Whisp Jun 2014 #365
I am a collage artist Generic Other Jun 2014 #369
what a huge crock of bullshit. Whisp Jun 2014 #370
Ah, thanks for the rudest answer to anything I have ever posted at DU Generic Other Jun 2014 #371
You are welcome. Hope your sales are good. Mine aren't for sale. n/t Whisp Jun 2014 #379
Honor among thieves is my motto Generic Other Jun 2014 #385
Post of the DAY! HangOnKids Jun 2014 #383
I'm reminded of a quote from Henry A Wallace... Electric Monk Jun 2014 #5
Well, when you can get self-styled "Undergrounders" championing the surveillance state... villager Jun 2014 #65
excellent point nt grasswire Jun 2014 #75
Good catch! NanceGreggs Jun 2014 #84
Loud applause JustAnotherGen Jun 2014 #108
Hard to believe you've missed posts by randome, siddithers, msanthrope etc riderinthestorm Jun 2014 #142
Become one of us. One of us. One of us. randome Jun 2014 #147
LOL! Whisp Jun 2014 #196
See this ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #148
Would you kindly link to the specific post I've made that defends the NSA? msanthrope Jun 2014 #159
Have you ever seen the talking points re Greenwald, lol, the ones that get repeated despite how sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #238
Sabrina, you know that I do not answer your questions. Nor do I read your posts. nt msanthrope Jun 2014 #349
That's strange because you always respond to them. There is an ignore feature here, I don't use sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #381
LOL I wouldn't feel too bad. Puglover Jun 2014 #433
I wonder too where that information came from? sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #440
But, where are the condemnations of the surveillance state? merrily Jun 2014 #457
Oh yes, it absolutely was different during the Bush years and would be again, if a Republican got sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #469
But maybe not quite as different. merrily Jun 2014 #471
Recognizing GG and Snowden for the scamming crud they are Whisp Jun 2014 #179
Find me a post where I defended the NSA... SidDithers Jun 2014 #194
Better yet, can you post a link to one where you condemned their gross violations of our sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #321
No, the poster made an accusation, it's up to them to substantiate it... SidDithers Jun 2014 #328
I don't have a tail, not that I have anything against those who do. And I NEVER 'run away', I just sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #380
Can you please link to specific posts where these people defended specific NSA surveillance tactics Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #210
Doubt if there is such a link. Some here dont ever post an opinion on rhett o rick Jun 2014 #218
You doubt there is a link? So the person is a liar? nt Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #222
What person? rhett o rick Jun 2014 #224
The person I requested the link from. nt Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #226
Can you post specific links where they have criticized the NSA surveillance tactics? sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #472
Thanks for saying this! Estevan Jun 2014 #185
Cool, a Nance sighting! panader0 Jun 2014 #260
Demonizing them and insulting those who agree with them (to some extent whatever) is... Armstead Jun 2014 #278
clearly reddread Jun 2014 #310
Thank you, woo me with science! scarletwoman Jun 2014 #8
That post kicked ass Aerows Jun 2014 #56
Obama can do no wrong! Skittles Jun 2014 #9
I am glad you have finally seen the light. n/t Whisp Jun 2014 #10
Finally you admit it. Luminous Animal Jun 2014 #17
...Or wants a pony!!! DRoseDARs Jun 2014 #11
Oh Obama can do wrong treestar Jun 2014 #23
"doing things differently" wildbilln864 Jun 2014 #51
CORRECT Skittles Jun 2014 #77
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2014 #80
They also don't seem to understand journalism is a profession. Fawke Em Jun 2014 #129
He is earning his living by fencing stolen classfied documents. Whisp Jun 2014 #187
Earns his living fencing Stolen Documents, bvar22 Jun 2014 #197
1. The only thing GG or Eddie expose is their stupidity Whisp Jun 2014 #212
If all they exposed is their "stupidity", bvar22 Jun 2014 #225
GG is selling stolen government documents Whisp Jun 2014 #228
Please document you claim that Snowden is "selling" stolen documents, bvar22 Jun 2014 #244
GG is making money off of stolen property. Checkbook Journalism. Whisp Jun 2014 #249
That does NOT support your claim. bvar22 Jun 2014 #256
Of course it does, who is this Snowden guy then? Another one and not Eddie? Whisp Jun 2014 #259
I think if the criticism of those who believe Greenwald and Snowden were.... Armstead Jun 2014 #145
Well said The Green Manalishi Jun 2014 #277
You are the first one on your side to admit they exposed something.... Logical Jun 2014 #309
And there is a perfect example of what the OP is talking about. Greenwald has no 'followers' that I sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #386
You infer, I imply. n/t DeSwiss Jun 2014 #55
I want a pony Aerows Jun 2014 #59
I want a pony that doesn't keep records of every email and call I make or receive lark Jun 2014 #236
Hey... Joe Biden (version 2006) agrees with you! bvar22 Jun 2014 #248
My favorite post in the whole thread. woo me with science Jun 2014 #391
Not just an asshole libertarian, a racist too. n/t hughee99 Jun 2014 #138
Gee. You called him a "racist". bvar22 Jun 2014 #206
To be accurate, I called anyone who implies the president has done something wrong hughee99 Jun 2014 #220
I've been here too long. bvar22 Jun 2014 #233
Exactly. What else could it be if not racism? hughee99 Jun 2014 #237
K&R and bookmarking this thread. JDPriestly Jun 2014 #12
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2014 #13
Do you feel this was an ideology purge? Why? Agschmid Jun 2014 #24
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2014 #27
Who is asking? Agschmid Jun 2014 #28
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2014 #30
I'm just trying to understand where you are coming from. Agschmid Jun 2014 #31
Post removed Post removed Jun 2014 #32
Nope it's not me, but ok. Agschmid Jun 2014 #34
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2014 #35
Well it sure seems you are familiar with the PPR process, so I figured you must be back. Agschmid Jun 2014 #36
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2014 #37
They are reading them, this is a public forum no? Agschmid Jun 2014 #38
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2014 #41
Nope no deletes from me, nothing to hide. Agschmid Jun 2014 #44
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2014 #45
What is threatening about his posts? Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #40
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2014 #42
So strange. nt Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #46
Who could have predicted this? OilemFirchen Jun 2014 #61
LOL Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #62
do you know which bannned member it was ? JI7 Jun 2014 #68
Some guy that just registered today Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #71
he was on here before and banned , i wonder if it's better believe it JI7 Jun 2014 #72
why did you alert? grasswire Jun 2014 #76
Personal attack. Got hidden 6-1. Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #135
I missed the final post but felt there was a certain Whisp Jun 2014 #191
It's like he never existed and all those concerns about the hostility towards GG went up Cha Jun 2014 #357
I think they're just the ultimate in "Team players", "Yes Men", and something about nose placement. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2014 #14
! DeSwiss Jun 2014 #57
bookmarked Generic Other Jun 2014 #15
Yes! Blue_In_AK Jun 2014 #16
Woo woo! Egnever Jun 2014 #18
It's like an alarm clock...Woo Woo!!! Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #26
These 2 posts have convinced me to recommend the OP muriel_volestrangler Jun 2014 #91
You don't have to tell which OP's you're recommending and why... Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #199
I can tell you don't care about a lot of things (nt) muriel_volestrangler Jun 2014 #202
Burn! BillZBubb Jun 2014 #405
Sure.....and I suppose almost everybody's a climate doomer..... AverageJoe90 Jun 2014 #19
Thank you for letting me know. DeSwiss Jun 2014 #60
Is this the part where I get labeled as a propagandist shill for the Pentagon again?? Blue_Tires Jun 2014 #20
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2014 #22
This Blue_Tires JustAnotherGen Jun 2014 #110
why are you taking this personally? questionseverything Jun 2014 #215
What I'm SAYING is Blue_Tires Jun 2014 #232
you did not answer my questions questionseverything Jun 2014 #252
So...If it's a waste of time to identify people Blue_Tires Jun 2014 #258
450 replies later and still not a word Blue_Tires Jun 2014 #470
You got that right brother! Fuddnik Jun 2014 #21
You are right Aerows Jun 2014 #25
Populace. While I do not generally correct other people's posts, I recently corrected msanthrope Jun 2014 #140
I didn't take offense Aerows Jun 2014 #186
Well like one DUer often says. zeemike Jun 2014 #29
Dear Woo, DU doesn't represent society on a whole... Historic NY Jun 2014 #33
DU is also better-read and more politically aware than most Americans. woo me with science Jun 2014 #39
Hello woo.... Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #43
the cost of being on too many people's ignore list bobduca Jun 2014 #106
I'm not on Woo's ignore list.... Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #133
You're exactly right, Woo Oilwellian Jun 2014 #48
Good post, kicked. (eom) CanSocDem Jun 2014 #127
An NBC Poll? Oilwellian Jun 2014 #47
A poll from 2013...really Historic NY Jun 2014 #67
JUNE 2013 Number23 Jun 2014 #73
So last week NBC was all peachy with their Greenwald partnership Blue_Tires Jun 2014 #273
When its corrupted -- its ALL corrupted. DeSwiss Jun 2014 #63
Polls...... roomtomove Jun 2014 #124
Yahoo? bvar22 Jun 2014 #200
Actually they cited...this new national poll. Historic NY Jun 2014 #333
Nailed it Jesus Malverde Jun 2014 #49
+1 QuestForSense Jun 2014 #52
He's a great guy Aerows Jun 2014 #54
Damn straight! DeSwiss Jun 2014 #50
My friend Aerows Jun 2014 #53
You know, this kind of ridiculous paranoid conspiracy crap.. gcomeau Jun 2014 #58
I don't know why it's so hard for people to accept the fact.... Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #64
It seems that a good gummint operative... OilemFirchen Jun 2014 #70
No.....It's when it becomes the Democratic/Obama Enforcement Squad that hackles get raised Armstead Jun 2014 #150
Post removed Post removed Jun 2014 #78
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2014 #79
Have you ever noticed ... NanceGreggs Jun 2014 #85
Exactly. Andy823 Jun 2014 #153
Oh yes, noticed that a long time ago. Whisp Jun 2014 #175
Obama? you know that guy is gone in two years, right? frylock Jun 2014 #188
Being against a surveillance state, in the end, has nothing to do with Obama. paulkienitz Jun 2014 #351
Interesting comment. I've never read anything of the kind. not ever. 2banon Oct 2014 #477
I missed the memo ... GeorgeGist Jun 2014 #198
I missed one as well apparently... gcomeau Jun 2014 #207
Do you ever post without calling out other DUers? joshcryer Jun 2014 #66
You GOT me! In fact, Obama hired me for proNSA 2001. Rand Paul wanted me, but, I was already taken blm Jun 2014 #69
I totally agree with you. K&R laundry_queen Jun 2014 #74
You've got the perfect premise here ... NanceGreggs Jun 2014 #81
Yet not a single refutation to be had in all your words. Lars39 Jun 2014 #82
Post removed Post removed Jun 2014 #83
Not sure what was better Egnever Jun 2014 #86
Yup. Classic. Ghost Dog Jun 2014 #87
LOL. I'm impressed you made it through... WorseBeforeBetter Jun 2014 #184
Me too. bvar22 Jun 2014 #341
Nailed it! L0oniX Jun 2014 #344
Boy, you put a lot of work into that. And it shows. Demit Jun 2014 #88
"Reality-Based" bobduca Jun 2014 #101
Nailed it... SidDithers Jun 2014 #104
Great stuff. Love it! nt brush Jun 2014 #107
Been a while since I wished you could Rec a Reply... :) -eom gcomeau Jun 2014 #125
+1 uponit7771 Jun 2014 #130
Excellent! Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #149
Oh God, the "Reality based Community" again Armstead Jun 2014 #151
I think you have a point there--one should question the reach of the msanthrope Jun 2014 #168
Well, to be honest I think the OP went a bit too far, as did her response Armstead Jun 2014 #176
True--it only helps polarize DU further. And that's a shame, because the main task ahead of msanthrope Jun 2014 #178
Words of sanity War Horse Jun 2014 #241
Thank you ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #162
Priceless. LOL! Whisp Jun 2014 #211
LOL. sagat Jun 2014 #263
I'm Sorry But Your Submission Has Been Rejected. DeSwiss Jun 2014 #268
Yeah I can paraphrase your reply a tad more succinctly I think. Puglover Jun 2014 #293
Testify sister! MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 #287
!!! Bobbie Jo Jun 2014 #400
Brilliant Nance! Cha Jun 2014 #412
K&R! This post should have hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast Jun 2014 #89
They are obvious and soooo predictable Jesus Malverde Jun 2014 #92
studying how 'controlling the message' is done is useful. NuttyFluffers Jun 2014 #90
Great post! Anarcho-Socialist Jun 2014 #94
Thanks for cutting through the BS - TBF Jun 2014 #95
"It is amazing how close Orwell was to the mark ..." 30 years off carolinayellowdog Jun 2014 #97
Here's a start: Greenwald has never met a Democratic President he didn't hate. baldguy Jun 2014 #96
A non sequitur Fearless Jun 2014 #116
Totally relevant, a racist Bush backer hates Obama... that's not new... DU expecting people to ... uponit7771 Jun 2014 #131
No one is saying anyone has to respect anyone though Fearless Jun 2014 #189
Exactamundo blackspade Jun 2014 #98
du rec. xchrom Jun 2014 #99
Kick and Rec bobduca Jun 2014 #100
Just cashed my paycheck from the NSA this morning! ColesCountyDem Jun 2014 #102
The Third Way/DLC pays more. nt msanthrope Jun 2014 #137
You got paid?!?!?!?! greatauntoftriplets Jun 2014 #205
... SidDithers Jun 2014 #103
Just to ensure I'm on "The List" Le Taz Hot Jun 2014 #105
Excellent post. K&R nt NorthCarolina Jun 2014 #109
In a few cases, perhaps. Savannahmann Jun 2014 #111
Excellent post... freebrew Jun 2014 #118
Yep. Thanks for posting this! nt MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 #112
+1000 heaven05 Jun 2014 #113
" including attacks on the messengers, mocking, swarming, and endless diversion" loudsue Jun 2014 #115
Yes, yes and also...... Smarmie Doofus Jun 2014 #117
Those threads soliciting support for Greenwald garner 125-140 recs. Ikonoklast Jun 2014 #119
the OP specifically says it is a LOUD FEW and not "everyone that has reservations" carolinayellowdog Jun 2014 #141
You've proved Ikonoklast's point. nt msanthrope Jun 2014 #152
No. You are confused. bvar22 Jun 2014 #374
Exactly. Andy823 Jun 2014 #157
+1 Couldn't agree more! B Calm Jun 2014 #219
"The real reason"? Pure fiction! George II Jun 2014 #120
Absolutely. The noise machine is imperative to drown out Baitball Blogger Jun 2014 #121
K&R You will know them by their works or in many cases, their silence. nt raouldukelives Jun 2014 #126
DURec leftstreet Jun 2014 #128
Yes. Big $$$ in defense contracts. closeupready Jun 2014 #132
The way Greenwald/Snowden detractors whatchamacallit Jun 2014 #134
Thank You For Sharing cantbeserious Jun 2014 #136
Complicating things further is the fact that propaganda is self-perpetuating RufusTFirefly Jun 2014 #143
just wanted to add..working for free and fair elections gets u targeted questionseverything Jun 2014 #146
yeah--except last week on Stephanie Miller Show Steph and Jackie Schechner librechik Jun 2014 #154
this is a despicable, broad-brushed attack on speech bigtree Jun 2014 #155
I couldn't agree more nt Andy823 Jun 2014 #180
Baloney BillZBubb Jun 2014 #410
I haven't been loud about it, but it is possible Bettie Jun 2014 #156
More likely the ratfuckers are the organized group. See how that works? KittyWampus Jun 2014 #158
Yup. Ratfuckers gotta ratfuck...nt SidDithers Jun 2014 #250
K&R. Great links! nt valerief Jun 2014 #161
ATA thread about this thread Capt. Obvious Jun 2014 #163
k and r snagglepuss Jun 2014 #166
This whole thread is an example of narcissistic paranoia. sufrommich Jun 2014 #174
+1,000,000 nt Andy823 Jun 2014 #181
Propagandists could have also torn down FDR for his actions regarding interning Japanese Americans cascadiance Jun 2014 #177
Wow! That is one terrific, thoughtful analysis! +1 RufusTFirefly Jun 2014 #190
There might be temptations by some to demonize kids of the 60's for their VW bugs... cascadiance Jun 2014 #203
Nobody tore "down FDR for his actions regarding interning Japanese Americans." bvar22 Jun 2014 #267
I'd disagree in part stupidicus Jun 2014 #182
"the simpler and more plausible explanantion" bvar22 Jun 2014 #216
I think 99% of DUers know exactly how the Snowden/Greenwald adventure will end. randome Jun 2014 #193
Sublime! bvar22 Jun 2014 #209
If the evidence was clear-cut, and not subject to interpretation, we would already be... randome Jun 2014 #217
The Pulitzer Prize Committee disagrees. bvar22 Jun 2014 #251
Pulitzer Prizes are based on the quality of the reporting and the subject matter. randome Jun 2014 #255
Distinctions without a Difference. bvar22 Jun 2014 #257
People have disagreements and can have honest disagreements. I agree that there are some who like to hrmjustin Jun 2014 #204
i think divulging the NSA ability to spy on americans is one thing, but divulging to other countries dionysus Jun 2014 #221
I have no idea where it comes from G_j Jun 2014 #208
Its all about the Two Minutes of HATE. bvar22 Jun 2014 #240
works as advertised! reddread Jun 2014 #312
A conspiracy theory about conspiracy theories? frazzled Jun 2014 #213
It'd be nice if we all were here to discuss the issues. But that's not the case. rhett o rick Jun 2014 #223
Well, you know ... frazzled Jun 2014 #246
That is the "Real Reason"? Really? On the Road Jun 2014 #230
Now THAT is a looooong reach. bvar22 Jun 2014 #247
Well, the Best Generally Available Source is Probably the Washington Post Article On the Road Jun 2014 #394
. ProSense Jun 2014 #231
i believe that someone (i mean a bot, not a person) is reading my texts barbtries Jun 2014 #239
More Americans Oppose Edward Snowden's Actions Than Support Them ProSense Jun 2014 #243
Is there a BS award on DU? We have a winner uhnope Jun 2014 #265
I just think Greenwald is an obnoxious dick with disingenious intentions. phleshdef Jun 2014 #266
K & R !!! WillyT Jun 2014 #269
Wow, how do I miss these OPs? Must be spending too much time at work. Rex Jun 2014 #272
straw man attack leads to insulting a real person carolinayellowdog Jun 2014 #320
I don't really think woo believes everyone that disagrees with him is a government agent. Rex Jun 2014 #442
I wonder how many Democrats attacked Daniel Ellsberg The Green Manalishi Jun 2014 #279
Ellsberg had proof. Snowden has insinuations and suppositions. randome Jun 2014 #281
a new low for you nt grasswire Jun 2014 #282
You've said that before. Soon I'll be posting from Pellucidar! randome Jun 2014 #283
"a new low for you" Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #289
Well, my real question remains The Green Manalishi Jun 2014 #296
No one is saying to trust the NSA. randome Jun 2014 #304
Realization is setting in for some that G&S are not what they seem. randome Jun 2014 #305
What they are is NOT the point The Green Manalishi Jun 2014 #366
Even MORE fascinating: bvar22 Jun 2014 #368
Great! And seems to have struck a chord in some. Squinch Jun 2014 #280
OP is so logical and sensible, it's impossible for it not to be factual. Zorra Jun 2014 #285
Ha! Puglover Jun 2014 #295
Poll ProSense Jun 2014 #297
Couldnt be because iamthebandfanman Jun 2014 #298
Oh, go lick Hitler's boots, you America-hater, you! randome Jun 2014 #307
My latest selfie. greatauntoftriplets Jun 2014 #299
So you know Zach Galifianakis, then. What's he like? randome Jun 2014 #308
I'm a palm, not a fern! greatauntoftriplets Jun 2014 #311
Sorry! Sorry! You all look alike to...oh, shit! Never mind! Delete! Delete! randome Jun 2014 #313
.... greatauntoftriplets Jun 2014 #315
Thank You, woo. bvar22 Jun 2014 #314
Yes, I noticed that. woo me with science Jun 2014 #322
Personally I think Greenwald is a self-righteous, arrogant creep. I don't like him at all. OregonBlue Jun 2014 #316
196 recs...and good to go until 11PM! bvar22 Jun 2014 #318
Two possibilities Android3.14 Jun 2014 #325
Nicely Done! bvar22 Jun 2014 #346
You got me! I'm a plant. Drunken Irishman Jun 2014 #330
Let me guess: A Ficus? BillZBubb Jun 2014 #411
This was all about you? HangOnKids Jun 2014 #475
good topic. There are HUGE profits made from OUR Federal/state funds to pay for "surveillance" Sunlei Jun 2014 #332
It couldn't possibly be Greenwald's actually as much of a scumbag as we've accused him of being? Chan790 Jun 2014 #339
You know the best result of OPs like this? randome Jun 2014 #343
Wow ...heads explode ...and I'm out of popcorn now. L0oniX Jun 2014 #348
How accomodating of your targets to self-identify via outraged responses. winter is coming Jun 2014 #354
Post of the year to you my friend. harun Jun 2014 #355
Thank you Woo!!!!!!!!!!! Puzzledtraveller Jun 2014 #356
Many a time I check DU on my phone Capt. Obvious Jun 2014 #360
I saw that copycat thread and couldn't believe how perfectly it illustrated the problem. woo me with science Jun 2014 #373
I just removed OP for a check Capt. Obvious Jun 2014 #375
Quite a few smear threads like that lately. woo me with science Jun 2014 #396
Kick bobduca Jun 2014 #389
knr Douglas Carpenter Jun 2014 #390
Thank you. mia Jun 2014 #413
Where do you people come from? n/t albino65 Jun 2014 #416
Where do we come from? bvar22 Jun 2014 #453
BRAVO!!!! HangOnKids Jun 2014 #476
Great Op, full of good info. Thank you. Generated a lot of recs and replies, too. merrily Jun 2014 #460
I agree. mia Jun 2014 #461
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