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58. Principiis obsta and Finem respice—‘Resist the beginnings’ and ‘Consider the end.’
Mon Jun 2, 2014, 01:00 AM
Jun 2014
They Thought They Were Free

"What no one seemed to notice," said a colleague of mine, a philologist, "was the ever widening gap, after 1933, between the government and the people. Just think how very wide this gap was to begin with, here in Germany. And it became always wider. You know, it doesn’t make people close to their government to be told that this is a people’s government, a true democracy, or to be enrolled in civilian defense, or even to vote. All this has little, really nothing, to do with knowing one is governing.

"What happened here was the gradual habituation of the people, little by little, to being governed by surprise; to receiving decisions deliberated in secret; to believing that the situation was so complicated that the government had to act on information which the people could not understand, or so dangerous that, even if the people could not understand it, it could not be released because of national security. And their sense of identification with Hitler, their trust in him, made it easier to widen this gap and reassured those who would otherwise have worried about it.

"This separation of government from people, this widening of the gap, took place so gradually and so insensibly, each step disguised (perhaps not even intentionally) as a temporary emergency measure or associated with true patriotic allegiance or with real social purposes. And all the crises and reforms (real reforms, too) so occupied the people that they did not see the slow motion underneath, of the whole process of government growing remoter and remoter.

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"To live in this process is absolutely not to be able to notice it—please try to believe me—unless one has a much greater degree of political awareness, acuity, than most of us had ever had occasion to develop. Each step was so small, so inconsequential, so well explained or, on occasion, ‘regretted,’ that, unless one were detached from the whole process from the beginning, unless one understood what the whole thing was in principle, what all these ‘little measures’ that no ‘patriotic German’ could resent must some day lead to, one no more saw it developing from day to day than a farmer in his field sees the corn growing. One day it is over his head.

"How is this to be avoided, among ordinary men, even highly educated ordinary men? Frankly, I do not know. I do not see, even now. Many, many times since it all happened I have pondered that pair of great maxims, Principiis obsta and Finem respice—‘Resist the beginnings’ and ‘Consider the end.’ But one must foresee the end in order to resist, or even see, the beginnings. One must foresee the end clearly and certainly and how is this to be done, by ordinary men or even by extraordinary men? Things might have. And everyone counts on that might.


"A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong gives it a superficial appearance of being right." - Thomas Paine
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Hannah Arendt knew what she was talking about... Octafish Jun 2014 #3
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Welcome, surgence. I think Octafish was posting for the benefit of all DU readers. nt Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2014 #35
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^^^this^^^ L0oniX Jun 2014 #7
Which this? Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2014 #36
Look how many, even at this website, have been manipulated into defending it villager Jun 2014 #26
Refresh my memory... grasswire Jun 2014 #2
Tire tracks up and down his back. Octafish Jun 2014 #8
Definitely, I believe he was one of the first to get there. sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #22
The welfare of the people in particular has always been the alibi of tyrants. Albert Camus Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2014 #4
Camus pegged Them. Octafish Jun 2014 #10
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Bush and Cheney and all their enablers and cronies going back decades... Octafish Jun 2014 #17
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I know. It's a shock to me, too. Octafish Jun 2014 #21
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not one of Them, but has no choice carolinayellowdog Jun 2014 #33
They are never 'gone'. They leave the public stage and continue their 'work' offstage. sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #24
Don't forget Prescot Bush... freebrew Jun 2014 #80
A real blast from the past: Octafish Jun 2014 #89
But here is the question fasttense Jun 2014 #71
Germany collected info on Jews too once upon a time. I know it's not an exact comparison but... L0oniX Jun 2014 #6
IMO, it is an exact comparison. Octafish Jun 2014 #12
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No. The illegal domestic surveillance continues under the current administration. Octafish Jun 2014 #19
Just to inject my own opinion here zeemike Jun 2014 #20
I think it's a perfectly legitimate comparison. The East German Stasi also spied on the people. sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #25
And today they have the ultimate tools, basically prying into everyone's mind. It's dangerous and RKP5637 Jun 2014 #29
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Sometimes I feel like we're moving right back into the McCarthy era. It's hard to tell RKP5637 Jun 2014 #34
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Not to me ... it indicates a lack of trust, and it's used under the guise of RKP5637 Jun 2014 #40
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Yep, SOS! Pair what sounds an acceptable premise with a covert result. n/t RKP5637 Jun 2014 #46
It's an important comparison. woo me with science Jun 2014 #86
What I've been sayin all along rickyhall Jun 2014 #9
Ideas to strengthen minds and nations. Octafish Jun 2014 #27
Democratic Underground - Who - Rest Assured We Are Watched cantbeserious Jun 2014 #13
Agent Mike has been a member since the start. L0oniX Jun 2014 #16
Looks like I got here before the swarm. zeemike Jun 2014 #15
I think if it was announced that WalMart had been given a contract to inject all of us djean111 Jun 2014 #51
Makes sense Politicub Jun 2014 #28
Right on the mark... elias49 Jun 2014 #30
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Truth-Out Unknown Beatle Jun 2014 #37
Also, Bush did not claim the authority to execute American citizens without due process. Maedhros Jun 2014 #59
Hey, nobody ever promised you'd like the "Change," now, did they?!?! blkmusclmachine Jun 2014 #63
I always knew recommending Octafish threads would get me on a list. Enthusiast Jun 2014 #41
Uh oh. Now you did it. Is that one of Obama's 30,000 Drones outside??? blkmusclmachine Jun 2014 #64
If they blow me up I'm sure I must deserve it. Enthusiast Jun 2014 #68
Exactly the problem MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 #43
Combine the power of being able to cherrypick any situation, word, or phrase out of context... Shandris Jun 2014 #44
Hedges gets it. If you read one article today, read Hedges' essay. JDPriestly Jun 2014 #45
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #47
Hedges is both eloquent and completely right. bbgrunt Jun 2014 #48
That's why I moon the sons of %$#@#$# on a regular basis. Hubert Flottz Jun 2014 #49
30,000 Drones, cameras @ every intersection & all along the freeways. And next, cameras/microphones blkmusclmachine Jun 2014 #65
''J Edgar Hoover with Supercomputers'' is how Ray McGovern put it in 2006... Octafish Jun 2014 #75
Jeb will complete the Empire that Dumbya was too stupid to finish. Hubert Flottz Jun 2014 #82
Lynn's prolly ticked, too. Octafish Jun 2014 #84
Some called them, "the Bush Administration" Hubert Flottz Jun 2014 #91
Prolly save Cleveland, too. Octafish Jun 2014 #92
Another Bush in the White House would be the end of... Hubert Flottz Jun 2014 #94
Great thread smallcat88 Jun 2014 #50
I don't know why so many people are so willing to defend the NSA's Jake2413 Jun 2014 #52
Because if The Leader approves, so must the vassals [n/t] Maedhros Jun 2014 #60
Because of the "D" after his name. And nothing else. blkmusclmachine Jun 2014 #66
$$$ nt NorthCarolina Jun 2014 #70
Last gasp indeed. JEB Jun 2014 #53
Except gun and gun-owner registration. krispos42 Jun 2014 #54
Hedges just called a bunch of DUers "ignorant and inexperienced" nikto Jun 2014 #55
Control. davidthegnome Jun 2014 #56
Let's face it... nikto Jun 2014 #57
Principiis obsta and Finem respice—‘Resist the beginnings’ and ‘Consider the end.’ scarletwoman Jun 2014 #58
Bow and Arrow Octafish Jun 2014 #87
It's unfathomable that any of this is even considered debatable. woo me with science Jun 2014 #61
+1. Right back to the 1930s, perhaps. But this time, there are no good guys to come to the rescue. blkmusclmachine Jun 2014 #67
You'll be "disappeared," and the people that question your whereabouts will be threatened. blkmusclmachine Jun 2014 #62
:) this is useful to know. NuttyFluffers Jun 2014 #69
The goal is actually to create a steady source of income for govt. surveillance contractors... MrScorpio Jun 2014 #72
That's a happy benefit for the Secret Keepers... Octafish Jun 2014 #78
They get to pick and choose who the gate keepers are and reward them accordingly MrScorpio Jun 2014 #79
K&R nt raouldukelives Jun 2014 #73
I can't help being curious navarth Jun 2014 #74
The poster was new. Now, he's gone. Octafish Jun 2014 #76
Wrong. The ultimate end is, simply, terror. nt Demo_Chris Jun 2014 #77
You got that right (said in the vocal intonations of Chief Justice John Roberts, R-Florida Stealer). Octafish Jun 2014 #83
K&R DeSwiss Jun 2014 #81
K&R woo me with science Jun 2014 #85
kick woo me with science Jun 2014 #88
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Octafish's "Goal of Wholesale Survaillance" ReRe Nov 2014 #95
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