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83. Snowden raising issues of legality? He did nit legally follow the chain, he stole,

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Fri May 30, 2014, 10:42 AM

May 2014

He told, he gave information to foreign sources, what more proof does the DOJ need to convict Snowden.

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Snowden Fan Club, Sorry, But Snowden Lied about the email to the NSA General Counsel [View all] berni_mccoy May 2014 OP

Anti-Snowden Fan Club - it is what Snowden revealed that is important. None of the nit-picking djean111 May 2014 #1

What did Snowden reveal that wasn't already known? berni_mccoy May 2014 #4

Quite a bit actually nadinbrzezinski May 2014 #61

Richard Clarke would disagree with you berni_mccoy May 2014 #70

Richard Clark might disagree with me nadinbrzezinski May 2014 #75

The fact is, what was revealed did more harm than good. berni_mccoy May 2014 #77

It did a lot if harm to those nadinbrzezinski May 2014 #82

You're wrong about that too. In order to claim he is a whistleblower and his actions were justified stevenleser May 2014 #6

It's also clear that the journalists he initially contacted are accessories to the crime MohRokTah May 2014 #8

I'm waiting to see more evidence on that but it would not surprise me at all. stevenleser May 2014 #22

from the skimpy emails and the verbal justifications Sheepshank May 2014 #105

He asked a question about a portion of a course he did not understand. MADem May 2014 #15

Then why do so many DU'ers spend such a huge amount of time defending Snowden KittyWampus May 2014 #48

because its not about Snowden of course >.> nt Bodhi BloodWave May 2014 #110

You would think if Snowden is a whistle blower he would had saved his emails. . B Calm May 2014 #2

That's exactly what I thought when he brought this up in the interview. berni_mccoy May 2014 #5

I have been saying that from the start....IF he was such a good Systems Admin....he would have VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #28

Thank you, B. Cha May 2014 #135

Or posted them to his Facebook account by now. Major Hogwash May 2014 #140

+++++++++++++DING DING DING+++++++++++++++++++++ uponit7771 Jun 2014 #154

The fact is that Snowden is lying & has been lying all along. baldguy May 2014 #3

Even if that's all true, it's ad hominem thesquanderer May 2014 #14

Richard Clarke, you know, the guy who DU Loves because he said Bush committed War Crimes berni_mccoy May 2014 #17

Okay, that's a debate worth having thesquanderer May 2014 #33

It's not ad hominem. It goes to his character. baldguy May 2014 #34

What NSA accusations of his turned out to be false? thesquanderer May 2014 #40

Not ad hominem. If the question is whether or not he tells the truth, his truthfulness is at issue. baldguy May 2014 #57

Where did he say the NSA can read your mind? thesquanderer May 2014 #74

Snowden said they can read our thoughts as we are formulating them, in the BW interview. MADem May 2014 #96

Did he mean that in the same sense of how Facebook works? thesquanderer May 2014 #98

Yes, he specifically referenced editing a document, and expressed shock and dismay!!!!!! MADem May 2014 #101

His revealing military secrets is not ad hominem, and I don't see the "good" whathehell May 2014 #42

I missed the fact that he revealed military secrets. dballance May 2014 #44

Here's one instance.. whathehell May 2014 #79

That's not exactly news for anyone who belives they may be tracked because they're a Terrorist dballance May 2014 #90

Apparently, it was news for them. whathehell May 2014 #133

This is false many low levels dont know what can be tracked uponit7771 Jun 2014 #155

I'm having difficulty undersgtanding your point. dballance Jun 2014 #156

I did not say that all attacks against him were ad hominem, thesquanderer May 2014 #52

I'd say a reputation for lying is highly relevant in his case n/t whathehell May 2014 #81

This isn't a party line issue. It's not Liberals go this way, Conservatives go that way. MADem May 2014 #16

"There's a team on Fox cheering Snowden on..." baldguy May 2014 #41

Exactly! +1 B Calm May 2014 #130

This week! Next week they'll be worrying if Brian Kilmeade got a cold sore from so much asskissing!! Major Hogwash May 2014 #137

Correct, it's not a simple party division thesquanderer May 2014 #43

Advocating for Ron Paul does not help your cause. baldguy May 2014 #59

What hypocrisy? thesquanderer May 2014 #63

The unifying attribute is having libertarian values. ozone_man May 2014 #89

I think it is maybe a bit more complex than that (with some, granted, not all). MADem May 2014 #95

He is either a chronic liar and a con-artist.... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #31

Both. baldguy May 2014 #45

Yes that is what I meant to say.... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #46

Well damn baldguy, you should pipe up more often. Tarheel_Dem May 2014 #104

You believe the NSA? caseymoz May 2014 #7

Did you forget that Snowden worked for the professional liars club? berni_mccoy May 2014 #9

And repented. Same as any Whistleblower. caseymoz May 2014 #13

It strains all creduality that Snowden ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #19

Really, he could have tossed a few copies up in "the cloud"--even as attachments to MADem May 2014 #106

Jesus, the person you are speaking with has "blocked" you for expressing a differing opinion! MADem May 2014 #103

Not believing Snowden, ProSense May 2014 #10

So ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #20

AND he took 1.7 million documents and used other peoples usernames/passwords to get them but... stevenleser May 2014 #23

but the NSA is the only government agency that actually listens to us. B Calm May 2014 #11

For all the wrong reasons. caseymoz May 2014 #24

Glad to see you admit that Snow den is a Tea Bagger. B Calm May 2014 #29

yes or he would have them himself....everyone in IT always saves emails especially those to VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #47

How do you believe or not believe the NSA? treestar May 2014 #132

His e-mail looks like bait to pin any alleged abuses on the President and other higher up. BenzoDia May 2014 #12

And you believe the NSA. Fuddnik May 2014 #18

And Snowden has no vested interest in lying? eom 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #21

Is it an either/or choice? Or can there be more layers to the onion? nt msanthrope May 2014 #25

The swarm defends liars every day.I bahrbearian May 2014 #58

Blasphemy!!!!!!! Fuddnik May 2014 #69

Ha ha! It's a trap! sofa king May 2014 #26

You make some sense up to a point. TM99 May 2014 #39

i haven't watched the interview; Did BW ask Snowden why he didn't keep copies of the emails? n/t yodermon May 2014 #27

A good journalist would have. berni_mccoy May 2014 #30

If snowden/greenwald were to release the emails tomorrow, would you believe them to be legit copies yodermon May 2014 #56

Why don't you ask Richard Clarke berni_mccoy May 2014 #67

..right after i mention "appeal to authority" yodermon May 2014 #80

There is no fallacy when the appeal is to an actual authority on the subject being discussed. Ikonoklast May 2014 #86

that was probably on the DONOTASK or this Interview is over requirements.. VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #49

Not that I saw. I understand NBC has done a FOIA. MADem May 2014 #97

I have stayed out of this discussion, but Snowden's Ilsa May 2014 #32

So berni, we're going with the boy scouts at the NSA this time? rgbecker May 2014 #35

DLC inspired bahrbearian May 2014 #60

You don't need to be a supporter of anyone to recognize the utter worthlessness of this email. randome May 2014 #64

That's cool. Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2014 #36

An email exchange that is dated after he met with Greenwald and Poitras. randome May 2014 #65

Gosh NSA says it has no emails. Imagine that. Katashi_itto May 2014 #37

and Gosh Darn IT Uber Spy Snowden didn't CYA by downloading those emails first... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #53

Yeah, just awful how he forgot to cover every single thing, being the uber spy he is. Katashi_itto May 2014 #66

If you ever worked in govt IT you would know that CYA is the first thing you think of... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #84

Weird, I happen to work in the Govt. He is neither crazy nor stupid. Katashi_itto May 2014 #93

Do you work in IT? VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #108

Lol, spin it however you like. Katashi_itto May 2014 #109

LOL its not spin when I KNOW it to be true... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #111

Yes...I sure you've worked stuff like Stellar Wind... Katashi_itto May 2014 #112

You would actually be surprised... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #113

Gosh that makes all the difference, but considering the slant of your posts I would not be Katashi_itto May 2014 #114

Actually you would....as I said...I do IT work.... as in a Developer....not content creation... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #115

So your Pro authoritarian then? Katashi_itto May 2014 #116

Is that the Black to your White in your world? VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #117

Just reading your posts is all :) Katashi_itto May 2014 #118

I am in good company with those who love this country....by that I mean this form of Govt. VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #120

Yes. It must be hard to view oneself in real terms. Katashi_itto May 2014 #121

Not hard at all....So now being a Liberal Socialist Democrat is == Nazi? VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #122

I didn't call you anything. Katashi_itto May 2014 #123

The day's anti-Snowden circle jerk has begun. nt elias49 May 2014 #38

+1 Katashi_itto May 2014 #94

What I see the NSA showing what a sham their obedience of the law is.... Pholus May 2014 #50

^^^^^^^ grasswire May 2014 #128

And we can take the NSA's word on that Savannahmann May 2014 #51

As Always Ed, Should You Or Any Of Your I.M. Force Be Caught Or Killed, The Secretary Will Disavow.. global1 May 2014 #62

"Snowden Fan Club" dawg May 2014 #54

LOL laundry_queen May 2014 #71

very clear example bobduca May 2014 #72

It doesn't matter. He did what needed to be done. Period. End of story. bowens43 May 2014 #55

Richard Clarke would disagree with you berni_mccoy May 2014 #68

Argument settled! bobduca May 2014 #78

Lol! neverforget May 2014 #107

He committed espionage. Period. End of story. MohRokTah May 2014 #73

Does your nickname happen to be... grasswire May 2014 #129

heavens knows we can trust the word of the NSA bigtree May 2014 #76

Given that the email released has nothing to do with Whistleblowing berni_mccoy May 2014 #85

No one has to "trust" the NSA, but it's ProSense May 2014 #87

Excellent point, ProSense.. Snowden's a liar. Cha Jun 2014 #159

Snowden raising issues of legality? He did nit legally follow the chain, he stole, Thinkingabout May 2014 #83

It seems to be down to three sides LanternWaste May 2014 #88

You forgot the fourth side. nadinbrzezinski May 2014 #91

I rarely giggle at a reasoned argument LanternWaste May 2014 #100

The problem is that I cannot giggle nadinbrzezinski May 2014 #124

Meh. nt Javaman May 2014 #92

This thread is all kinds of awesome... SidDithers May 2014 #99

"Spittle-flecked outrage" is an apt description. Tarheel_Dem May 2014 #102

Plus there's the foaming at the mouth, fawning section! Major Hogwash May 2014 #138

Feinstein's release of one e-mail this morning disproves the premise of your post. JDPriestly May 2014 #119

Huh? ProSense May 2014 #126

Why should berni "remove his post"? It proves Snowden's a fucking liar like I already knew. Cha May 2014 #127

So. Do you support the NSA collating records on you and your calls and correspondence? Jakes Progress Jun 2014 #146

This is about Snowden being a stupid libertarian liar. He should have gone through the proper Cha Jun 2014 #147

I see you ducked. Probably a good idea Jakes Progress Jun 2014 #149

I don't have to answer to some anonymous GG/ES fan on the internet.. GG's making $$$$$$ Cha Jun 2014 #153

Still ducking. Good idea. Jakes Progress Jun 2014 #157

Still kicking this thread.. Good! Cha Jun 2014 #158

How do you define a coward? Jakes Progress Jun 2014 #160

Edward Fuckng Snowden in Russia. Cha Jun 2014 #162

Again. Cowardly ducking. Jakes Progress Jun 2014 #163

Bookmarked for future reference. GeorgeGist May 2014 #125

And asking them one of the dumbest legal questions in the world treestar May 2014 #131

Do you support the NSA surveillance program as we now know it stands? Jakes Progress May 2014 #134

Most people truly don't care about the NSA spying on other countries. randome May 2014 #142

I didn't ask "most people". Jakes Progress Jun 2014 #145

Not at all. I would be appropriately outraged if that was happening. randome Jun 2014 #150

If? Jakes Progress Jun 2014 #151

Do those fan club members have to return their secret decoder ring now?? Major Hogwash May 2014 #136

He also lied about being "trained as a spy" Number23 May 2014 #139

Lying has always been a republican trait! B Calm May 2014 #141

Along with its associates... Bobbie Jo May 2014 #144

Given the choice between... 99Forever May 2014 #143

What a dilemma, the NSA or Edward Snowden. Who to believe? Autumn Jun 2014 #148

I have no doubt that at certain levels no whistleblowing is allowed or tolerated. Zen Democrat Jun 2014 #152

No worries, we have Bergdahl now to take us off Snowden. Puzzledtraveller Jun 2014 #161