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This is a rule of thumb I usually abide by. randome May 2014 #1
Brian William, a TV guy, has more inside info than the guy who actually did the work for NSA? merrily May 2014 #54
It's more like what Snowden did NOT provide: evidence. randome May 2014 #103
my post went to a dfifferent point. But, you think he owes someone proof of something? Why? merrily May 2014 #113
When you steal national security documents and run from the country... randome May 2014 #116
Did he disturb your comfortable denial bubble? You think the NSA is using their unlimited budget rhett o rick May 2014 #169
Snowden Did Well liberalmike27 May 2014 #221
I have no idea what the 1% versus the 99% has to do with this. randome May 2014 #222
You polled "every country on the planet"? The authoritarian leaders all hate Snowden. rhett o rick May 2014 #226
I don't trust the NSA. I never said I did. randome May 2014 #227
Now we are getting down to it. You dont like Snowden for a number of reasons. rhett o rick May 2014 #230
I'm sorry to barge in on the conversation, but War Horse May 2014 #255
IOW, he owes no one any proof or even any explanation. merrily May 2014 #191
Sure, anyone can shoot off their mouth. I'll give Snowden that. randome May 2014 #220
IOW, Snowden has no obligation to prove anything to anyone. merrily May 2014 #245
He doesn't present the evidence because he did not take it with him to Russia. JDPriestly May 2014 #174
Seems that he doesnt have any evidence to take anywhere....nt Cryptoad May 2014 #199
+1 uponit7771 May 2014 #122
You make good points but there is no way to know what the arthritisR_US May 2014 #127
Fair point. randome May 2014 #135
at least in theory ohheckyeah May 2014 #173
If he found improprieties, why didn't he get evidence of it? randome May 2014 #223
I think the phone records metadata ohheckyeah May 2014 #242
Lol, the telecoms have admitted what they are doing for the Govt. Now that they have been exposed sabrina 1 May 2014 #225
They have been 'exposed' since 2006 when we knew metadata storage was part of the NSA. randome May 2014 #229
But... but... Kerry said we should not like him! Obama did too! n/t ReverendDeuce May 2014 #2
Have a link to OP's or news articles directly quoting DonViejo May 2014 #26
Kerry said "he is a traitor" muriel_volestrangler May 2014 #50
Thanks for the link, much appreciated! eom DonViejo May 2014 #114
So they called him a traitor. zeemike May 2014 #63
Who are you addressing with this comment? eom DonViejo May 2014 #115
Your post #26 eom zeemike May 2014 #130
I asked a simple question... DonViejo May 2014 #136
I know you were just asking the question zeemike May 2014 #159
They called Thomas Drake a traitor too, which he wasn't. nt arthritisR_US May 2014 #137
Kerry said nothing like that. treestar May 2014 #66
This is the height of entertainment ProSense May 2014 #3
Snowden really helped his case. The interview is changing minds too - for people willing to think. chimpymustgo May 2014 #4
Brian Williams is not stupid malaise May 2014 #5
He and the other analysts tore Snowden apart after the interview. n/t ProSense May 2014 #12
Look he's a tool, a classic opportunist malaise May 2014 #16
Yet he got the interview. Greenwald ProSense May 2014 #47
Yes, he got the interview. Is that supposed to prove something? merrily May 2014 #59
Totally predictable. Media is notoriously pro-establishment--and chicken. merrily May 2014 #64
I didn't see that. Do you know if it was posted online? nt arthritisR_US May 2014 #132
You are so right. A whole bunch of people are going to look stupid - and traitorous. chimpymustgo May 2014 #55
Really? ProSense May 2014 #6
If you can't kill the message, kill the messenger. JDPriestly May 2014 #177
It's changing minds, all right. MADem May 2014 #182
They are just pulling crap from every orifice today. I'd like to see proof of "changing minds". Tarheel_Dem May 2014 #239
COMCAST/XFINITY are showcasing it in their ON DEMAND menu. MADem May 2014 #240
Thanks for that synopsis. I can't bear to watch him or GG, so I appreciate it. I think Bill Maher Tarheel_Dem May 2014 #243
how can you judge him if you won't even... grasswire May 2014 #249
You didn't watch it, yet you are passing judgment on his performance? Squinch May 2014 #253
"His performance"? Is that what it was? My mind was already made up. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2014 #256
How very Republican. Squinch Jun 2014 #257
I think you may have confused me with GG & Snowey, the Repub...er, I mean Libertarians. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2014 #258
Well, no. I am basing my opinion on your words in this thread. So not mistaking you for anyone. Squinch Jun 2014 #259
How 'bout this one? Tarheel_Dem Jun 2014 #261
"The interview is changing minds too - for people willing to think". Is this just a hunch, or is... Tarheel_Dem May 2014 #238
Nope. Not according to this "scientific" poll. MUST! TRY! HARDER! Tarheel_Dem Jun 2014 #262
People committed themselves to him the day his name came out treestar May 2014 #65
Nailed it... SidDithers May 2014 #101
And Authoritarians hated him the day his name came out. former9thward May 2014 #163
We aren't authoritarians for thinking he should face what he did treestar May 2014 #164
He would argue, and I would agree, that he acted to protect the Constitution. JDPriestly May 2014 #180
No, the jury pool has NOT been prejudiced. Most people didn't watch Snowden OR Kerry on TV. MADem May 2014 #241
NAILED It! n/t wildbilln864 May 2014 #170
If I was in deep trouble, realized that I didn't want to live in Russia any longer, but... George II May 2014 #120
That's a good point. nt arthritisR_US May 2014 #140
As an American, I think that upholding the Constitution is more impotant than JDPriestly May 2014 #181
You really hate these posts! Especially the recs! LOL! Nt Logical Jun 2014 #263
Rapid response team 3.. 2.. Capt. Obvious May 2014 #7
LOL! Anyone who responds negatively is part of a conspiracy. KittyWampus May 2014 #9
LOL YOUR WORDS NOT MINE Capt. Obvious May 2014 #10
Only someone who is part of the conspiracy would dismiss the conspiracy! randome May 2014 #11
Na na na! I can't hear you!! Generic Other May 2014 #19
Not me. I couldn't care less if the NSA continues to exist or not. randome May 2014 #34
I was agreeing with you Generic Other May 2014 #40
Or I need to work on my interpretive skills. randome May 2014 #46
Thats the point he hasn't shown what they did do... Historic NY May 2014 #57
We know know that massive amounts of data have been collected and stored, that it can be accessed at merrily May 2014 #71
I have the capability to eavesdrop outside your door. Any evidence I am doing that? randome May 2014 #118
If you eavesdropped outside someone's door, that person would have the capacity to call the JDPriestly May 2014 #183
No, he describes the Snowdenites treestar May 2014 #68
Sometimes it is not about Obama Generic Other May 2014 #212
Yes! and I see today they have a new talking point as well! nt Mojorabbit May 2014 #119
And where did I get my talking point? Generic Other May 2014 #211
Um I was agreeing with you Mojorabbit May 2014 #232
Thank you for clarifying Generic Other May 2014 #244
What was the code name for Putin again? treestar May 2014 #107
"Shirtless Bear Wrassler". nt Jamaal510 May 2014 #167
It's like they really resent disagreement on this treestar May 2014 #67
Is it different from your posts 67 and 68? merrily May 2014 #79
Yes. I didn't start an OP to talk about posters in a different OP. treestar May 2014 #82
So, the difference between grade school-like posts and other kinds is geography, not content? merrily May 2014 #92
Could you please explain what remains of the Fourth Amendment once the NSA has the authority JDPriestly May 2014 #184
A worthless piece of paper Generic Other May 2014 #213
It's so sad. JDPriestly May 2014 #234
It always takes a bit of time before they get the email with the latest talking points... backscatter712 May 2014 #48
Vapid response team in 3..2.. Bobbie Jo May 2014 #69
YAWN Capt. Obvious May 2014 #78
Stay vigilant Bobbie Jo May 2014 #91
So that's it then, You decide and we must agree? I didn't know I was in Freeperland... themaguffin May 2014 #142
We're all living in Freeperland! Generic Other May 2014 #214
Why would he need clemency? Progressive dog May 2014 #8
The excuses are all over the place. ProSense May 2014 #31
He needs presidential pardon to absolve him of all possible charges on point May 2014 #33
If Snowden needs a pardon, he must be guilty Progressive dog May 2014 #41
No, one is never guilty until found in court of law. Presumption of innocense on point May 2014 #56
A pardon means you are guilty treestar May 2014 #73
No. The presumption of innocence means that the prosecution has to prove a case in the first place, merrily May 2014 #105
He doesn't need a pardon. He needs a deal. Let his lawyers figure it out. JDPriestly May 2014 #186
Did you mean to reply to me? My post was not about needing a pardon or not. merrily May 2014 #188
Well, that is true but Progressive dog May 2014 #252
In fact, he would get so much attention treestar May 2014 #72
Snowden would NOT be given a Jury Trial. bvar22 May 2014 #156
Of course he would be given a jury trial, if he wanted that. Why would you think he would not? nt msanthrope May 2014 #160
He has the right to trial by jury treestar May 2014 #165
Sounds to me like you should be emabarrassed Progressive dog May 2014 #251
He could not get a fair trial. The jury pool has been prejudiced against him by the careless JDPriestly May 2014 #185
Sixty percent say he's a patriot Progressive dog May 2014 #250
He - and Daniel Ellsberg - have explained that clearly. But I like his going to the court of public chimpymustgo May 2014 #58
When is Daniel Ellsburg getting out of prison, Progressive dog May 2014 #97
He could argue he complied with the whistleblower law treestar May 2014 #70
Did he say he wanted to be a hero to America? merrily May 2014 #75
True. Maybe he doesn't care treestar May 2014 #77
Really? I don't think he's a hero for refusing to come back, but I understand why he doesn't. merrily May 2014 #81
He would not get a life sentence. He was charged with treestar May 2014 #148
He's been called a traitor by the highest officials of the US and can still be charged with treason. merrily May 2014 #189
But he and many Americans believe he did what he did to protect the Constitution. JDPriestly May 2014 #187
As at least one FISA court judge finally began to suggest, the courts are complicit. merrily May 2014 #196
Snowdens hypocrisy is not giving America a say on HIS actions via justice system but we should uponit7771 May 2014 #126
You may want to check the definition of hypocrisy. merrily May 2014 #208
And of course General "Star Trek" Bridge Commander Alexander Generic Other May 2014 #217
this is an ignorant post grasswire May 2014 #139
That is an excellent point. The reality of him being able to defend arthritisR_US May 2014 #143
NO, he is charged in open court treestar May 2014 #149
you are absolutely wrong. grasswire May 2014 #152
It's in the interest of national security that our government make a deal with him. JDPriestly May 2014 #190
? He's never claimed he broke no laws, has he? merrily May 2014 #74
He'made lots of claims, I can't keep track of them. eom Progressive dog May 2014 #96
Seems to be a lot of that making claims and making up claims going around on merrily May 2014 #99
+1 uponit7771 May 2014 #124
NBC did about as much for him as they could. ucrdem May 2014 #13
He came off as bastshit crazy. MohRokTah May 2014 #14
duly noted frylock May 2014 #125
I didn't get the sincerity vibe. At all. ecstatic May 2014 #15
Agreed. I don't think he did himself Bobbie Jo May 2014 #39
And Kerry hasn't finished... CanSocDem May 2014 #17
Kerry was and has been an embarrassment all around Generic Other May 2014 #20
Sez someone who couldn't hold a candle to Kerry in the public arena and how he has positively blm May 2014 #35
A candle that simply blows where the wind blows Generic Other May 2014 #36
He was spot on about Snowden. ProSense May 2014 #43
Agreeing with Obama's take when you work for Obama does not equal being "spot on." merrily May 2014 #197
Sez someone who doesn't know much about the last 4 decades of this nation's REAL history. blm May 2014 #44
Ah, so you're the one who got the real history book. merrily May 2014 #198
I guess they didn't read about cheating the vote in Ohio Generic Other May 2014 #218
Yup...keyboard warrior Snowden's the one with guts now BeyondGeography May 2014 #49
keyboard warrior? Union Scribe May 2014 #145
Well, it did take guts to snooker his co-workers into giving him their passwords BeyondGeography May 2014 #146
again, you're not getting that phrase. Union Scribe May 2014 #147
It's true...I need a proper term BeyondGeography May 2014 #150
Well, that's the correct term, either. Snowden did not steal "anonymously." merrily May 2014 #200
He was better than Murder Monkey, though that's not saying much. n/t backscatter712 May 2014 #45
Edward Snowden, Chelsea Manning affectively made conscious decisions Ninga May 2014 #18
A jury of his peers Generic Other May 2014 #23
Even if you follow the law, whistleblowing is still a risky business (no movie pun intended) merrily May 2014 #201
Is he still willing... Adrahil May 2014 #21
And the Nazis who tried to bring down Hitler? Generic Other May 2014 #25
That's a bit of a stretch. olegramps May 2014 #89
So if he ends his days in solitary Generic Other May 2014 #210
That response only reveals you lack of faith in the nation. olegramps May 2014 #224
The US government has been utterly dysfunctional since Reagan Generic Other May 2014 #228
The situation will not rectified by giving up on government, but by correction. olegramps May 2014 #247
One can love the land Generic Other May 2014 #248
Are you arguing that US Foreign intelligence operation=Nazis? Adrahil May 2014 #95
At least you have thought about it Generic Other May 2014 #215
Like school in the summer time, no class uponit7771 May 2014 #128
Bless your heart Generic Other May 2014 #216
NBC had a graphic on the morning talk show... MelungeonWoman May 2014 #22
I was completely Snowden agnostic before the interview vi5 May 2014 #52
He did come off way better than John Kerry did. Autumn May 2014 #24
I didn't see the interview and care little about Snowden. At this point he's a distraction .... Scuba May 2014 #27
Snowden and PBS both feel we need to be educated about Gov survalance... Ninga May 2014 #32
How about a graphic with Snowden's other interpretation of those who steal and run? randome May 2014 #37
Knock yourself out. Scuba May 2014 #38
Bingo! The more anyone makes it about Snowden and/or Greenwald, the less they make it merrily May 2014 #195
Tell me which elected politicians have humbled themselves Generic Other May 2014 #28
And award him Medal of Freedom for service to the country on point May 2014 #29
It made a few paragraphs on page 19 of the New York Times frazzled May 2014 #30
He did very well. Throughly decent person and super-smart. Smarmie Doofus May 2014 #42
super smart? an average intelligent person would have gone to a country for asylum first before lostincalifornia May 2014 #90
You're throwing around a lot of highly subjective words in your post. Avalux May 2014 #51
Russia might jump at the chance, but Snowden claims he had no documents to put into their hands. ancianita May 2014 #80
Of course he claims that, but how do we know? Avalux May 2014 #87
Why shouldn't we? Why should we trust Clapper and the NSA or Kerry or the White House? ancianita May 2014 #94
bring down our government? grasswire May 2014 #155
Kicked and recommended a whole bunch! Enthusiast May 2014 #53
A patriot would not have given information to anyone which has been received by foreign countries. Thinkingabout May 2014 #60
He's not my hero, but I don't think you know whether the information that foreign countries got merrily May 2014 #62
It could have been and that's bad enough uponit7771 May 2014 #129
No, it really isn't. Telling someone something they already know is a non-event, not a crime. merrily May 2014 #192
He handed the documents to two American citizens, not foreign countries. Get your facts straight. ancianita May 2014 #83
ummm, Chinese media = Chinese government... there's no one who beleives they're seperate uponit7771 May 2014 #131
What? Snowden turned over docs to Americans. Do you have some 'in' with Chinese intel? ancianita May 2014 #144
Link? I've seen that claim before, but could not find a link to support it. merrily May 2014 #193
On the facts, he gave information Merkel had conversations monitored, she is from Germany, Thinkingabout May 2014 #161
Merkel, an ALLY, found out what was in docs he took from the NSA. ancianita May 2014 #162
Merkel didn't know she was monitoring? And she didn't know the US knew about her monitoring? merrily May 2014 #194
Giving info to someone who already has it is a national security problem? merrily May 2014 #203
Is China a part of the US? He provided information of our monitoring of China. Thinkingabout May 2014 #206
Who said China (or Germany) was part of the US? Also, do you have a link on China? Please see #193 merrily May 2014 #207
Traitor - Patriot rtracey May 2014 #61
If you found files on your work computer that showed your company was committing crimes zeemike May 2014 #76
Sorry, i dont see the logic rtracey May 2014 #108
So mass surveillance of the American people, against the constitution zeemike May 2014 #134
He learned of something that he thought Americans should know. merrily May 2014 #209
Like not exposing Enron and the calls about Generic Other May 2014 #219
He is no patriot, and he is an idiot also for not getting to a country where he wanted asylum first lostincalifornia May 2014 #84
He was SMART not to want his plane grounded by US intervention.Presidents of 5 S. American countries ancianita May 2014 #98
Did you read my blurb? Secure the country then release the documents lostincalifornia May 2014 #151
Post removed Post removed May 2014 #85
I see the too-much-time-on-their-hands crowd has arrived Android3.14 May 2014 #86
When did it become acceptable to attack the personal appearance of someone one disagrees with? George II May 2014 #88
The attacks on Kerry are funny because it's often said it is not about Eddie treestar May 2014 #104
Just marveling at Kerry's descent into ridiculousness. chimpymustgo May 2014 #171
Had Edward Snowden happened under a President Mitt Romney Puzzledtraveller May 2014 #93
It's pretty much in complete harmony anyway. Smarmie Doofus May 2014 #100
Nobody would be paying any attention treestar May 2014 #111
they'd be onboard if it was any other Democratic prez too Skittles May 2014 #112
No. In that scenario, Snowden would have picked up a gun and shot himself in the balls. randome May 2014 #117
Lol. Puzzledtraveller May 2014 #153
BULL FUCKING SHIT!!! uponit7771 May 2014 #133
You assume a great deal. Ikonoklast May 2014 #158
He did? I watched basketball. OKNancy May 2014 #102
The interview had an impact smallcat88 May 2014 #106
Snowden johnny156 May 2014 #109
But he is a Double Naught Spy~ MohRokTah May 2014 #121
Umm, no. No he is not a patriot. gcomeau May 2014 #110
I thought Snowden made his case pretty well, given the format. bluedigger May 2014 #123
Thanks for your candor. It was important for Americans to see and hear Snowden unfiltered. chimpymustgo May 2014 #141
There is only a handful that bash him, bvar22 May 2014 #157
Paid is my guess. Jakes Progress May 2014 #172
Amazing, how they expect us to ignore the treatment of whistleblowers dougolat May 2014 #176
libertarians strike me as very odd. stonecutter357 May 2014 #138
patsy Whisp May 2014 #154
I watched the NBC interview. Snowden came out looking good. Autumn May 2014 #166
He served the interests of humanity which includes Americans, as for the patriotism... carolinayellowdog May 2014 #168
At DU, is really about exalting the US's interests above everyone else's? If merrily May 2014 #205
Snowden is worse than a billion Hitlers nikto May 2014 #175
Well, I'm glad you saw it. Hopefully, the audience in his new country was bigger. Tarheel_Dem May 2014 #178
I don't watch anything political on television. djean111 May 2014 #202
Then what was this PR stunt for if not to change American minds? Isn't this to build support for... Tarheel_Dem May 2014 #233
I really think that Snowden does not have a "fan club" at all - there is just the ridiculous charge djean111 May 2014 #235
In other words, you don't care what your fellow Americans think. Got it! Tarheel_Dem May 2014 #236
I hatesss to pull a Godwin, but just blindly following what all one's other countrymen think can be djean111 May 2014 #237
Please tell me you are not implying that the low ratings reflect badly on Snowden. merrily May 2014 #204
I know. I feel your pain. It is sad, isn't it? Tarheel_Dem May 2014 #231
Sorry you're hurting, but it's not my pain you're feeling. I'm not in any pain. merrily May 2014 #246
, blkmusclmachine May 2014 #179
He just needs to come home and make Progressive dog May 2014 #254
The purpose of the government is to protect the 1% from the threat of democracy. Zorra Jun 2014 #260
That was probably the first time most people woo me with science Jun 2014 #264
Um. Not so much. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2014 #265
Actually, polls have pretty consistently indicated that Americans distrust NSA spying woo me with science Jun 2014 #266
Oh, there's more than one, and they all say the same thing. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2014 #267
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