Michael Moore's FB comment on the UCSB shootings, [View all]

With due respect to those who are asking me to comment on last night's tragic mass shooting at UCSB in Isla Vista, CA -- I no longer have anything to say about what is now part of normal American life. Everything I have to say about this, I said it 12 years ago: We are a people easily manipulated by fear which causes us to arm ourselves with a quarter BILLION guns in our homes that are often easily accessible to young people, burglars, the mentally ill and anyone who momentarily snaps. We are a nation founded in violence, grew our borders through violence, and allow men in power to use violence around the world to further our so-called American (corporate) "interests." The gun, not the eagle, is our true national symbol. While other countries have more violent pasts (Germany, Japan), more guns per capita in their homes (Canada [mostly hunting guns]), and the kids in most other countries watch the same violent movies and play the same violent video games that our kids play, no one even comes close to killing as many of its own citizens on a daily basis as we do -- and yet we don't seem to want to ask ourselves this simple question: "Why us? What is it about US?" Nearly all of our mass shootings are by angry or disturbed white males. None of them are committed by the majority gender, women. Hmmm, why is that? Even when 90% of the American public calls for stronger gun laws, Congress refuses -- and then we the people refuse to remove them from office. So the onus is on us, all of us. We won't pass the necessary laws, but more importantly we won't consider why this happens here all the time. When the NRA says, "Guns don't kill people -- people kill people," they've got it half-right. Except I would amend it to this: "Guns don't kill people -- Americans kill people." Enjoy the rest of your day, and rest assured this will all happen again very soon.

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Michael Moore's FB comment on the UCSB shootings, [View all]	G_j	May 2014	OP
100% accurate and deeply profound	malaise	May 2014	#1
heartbroken	G_j	May 2014	#3
He sure sounds fed up	malaise	May 2014	#60
California has the strictest gun control laws and it still happens here.	Kablooie	May 2014	#116
"..that tells young men that killing people (add "with guns") is the answer to their problems."	AlinPA	May 2014	#143
Yes, Mike . . .	Brigid	May 2014	#2
Will this be the big story a week from now? I doubt it.	lamp_shade	May 2014	#4
It can't be because as Michael Moore is pointing out	malaise	May 2014	#5
Nope	newfie11	May 2014	#8
Americans are great for bemoaning tragedies, a nations of mourners and then	RKP5637	May 2014	#15
+1	newfie11	May 2014	#31
^^^ this^^^	BlancheSplanchnik	May 2014	#49
Too busy looking for "closure" and "healing", I guess . . .	hatrack	May 2014	#106
Yep, basically collective wishful thinking across the nation. It seems is just gets worse and worse,	RKP5637	May 2014	#118
Yep	awoke_in_2003	May 2014	#59
I know. When that happened in Ct, I thought maybe we had finally reached a tipping point.	Chemisse	May 2014	#164
No, it is already being pushed out by the Kardashian wedding	classykaren	May 2014	#34
Of course not - there's the Kardashian wedding this weekend!	LiberalElite	May 2014	#78
He started his rampage by stabbing three men to death.	SevenSixtyTwo	May 2014	#6
Yep Chris Martinez who was shot in the back could have responded if he had a gun	malaise	May 2014	#7
See my post below.	AngryOldDem	May 2014	#22
Not in the least	malaise	May 2014	#28
It would never have gotten to that point	JJChambers	May 2014	#30
Then the first victim not having a gun	treestar	May 2014	#156
I think of it as a missed opportunity.	AtheistCrusader	May 2014	#171
+1 gazillion!!!!	valerief	May 2014	#84
FFS, indeed….	MrMickeysMom	May 2014	#92
We know	malaise	May 2014	#97
Pepper spray can stop someone with a knife.	thesquanderer	May 2014	#10
And the gungeoners show up	Le Taz Hot	May 2014	#13
Yep, they appear, SOS, defending the tragedy, no solution. n/t	RKP5637	May 2014	#16
SO fucking SICK of that argument.	AngryOldDem	May 2014	#27
Their gun lust is as obsessive as our murderer du jour's hatred of women	valerief	May 2014	#85
Whenever they hear about an horrid trajedy like this, their first thought is...	tofuandbeer	May 2014	#100
The first words out of George Bush's mouth.....	lastlib	May 2014	#165
:O I didn't know that. What a screwup of a President he was.	tofuandbeer	May 2014	#172
You are suggesting that everyone walk around with a loaded gun?	pangaia	May 2014	#32
More---He's suggesting we all walk around our HOMES while armed! These men were roommates!	WinkyDink	May 2014	#50
I think he'd like us to have guns implanted in our foreheads, so we'd	valerief	May 2014	#86
How did he kill three of them	treestar	May 2014	#157
They were his roommates. A knife in the back is pretty silent. Anyway, Google: "Richard Speck."	WinkyDink	May 2014	#190
I've since found out two were roommates and one was a visitor	treestar	May 2014	#193
Not only do we need to carry a loaded gun but...	bearssoapbox	May 2014	#175
Stealing this one.	bravenak	May 2014	#177
How stupid. AS IF his stabbing victims had time to reach into their, what? Pockets? for a gun, aim,	WinkyDink	May 2014	#48
normally	handmade34	May 2014	#51
Do we know if he had his gun at that time?	Hoyt	May 2014	#54
I have faced a crazy drug addicted ex-husband who put a sawwed off between my eyes....	VanillaRhapsody	May 2014	#56
Vanilla	Lefta Dissenter	May 2014	#71
VanillaRhapsody you make a good point.	53tammy	May 2014	#88
Yes, we should	alsame	May 2014	#64
Sadly, there are plenty of gunners who prepare themselves for just that.	Hoyt	May 2014	#119
Ironically, those are the sort of guys who......	llmart	May 2014	#141
People like that guy buy guns and get their concealed carry permits	Maedhros	May 2014	#162
I know it's a Catch-22, but I think if one is attracted to that kind of stuff, they should be	Hoyt	May 2014	#167
That seems	yuiyoshida	May 2014	#136
It's the victims fault - as usual.	AAO	May 2014	#99
"Had his victims been armed..."	Scootaloo	May 2014	#112
If you take that POV to its logical conclusion	AAO	May 2014	#198
I have zero respect for fearful men or their guns.	hunter	May 2014	#117
LOL, most people do not want or need a gun 100% of the time. nt	Logical	May 2014	#120
What steaming pile of shit and lies. ALL of it. Get lost.	morningfog	May 2014	#123
What a sad, pathetic way to live, in constant fear and terror.	arcane1	May 2014	#128
Apparently,	SevenSixtyTwo	May 2014	#130
How many people got stabbed?	SomethingFishy	May 2014	#149
In other words, the solution to gun violence is more guns	Fortinbras Armstrong	May 2014	#134
Sitting here at the computer,	SevenSixtyTwo	May 2014	#144
In other words, you are telling us to be afraid	Fortinbras Armstrong	May 2014	#176
Not afraid. Prepared.	SevenSixtyTwo	May 2014	#184
So you'd require every college student to go around armed?	treestar	May 2014	#155
Well, that was a repugnant post.	Maedhros	May 2014	#161
In one simple sentence:	99Forever	May 2014	#9
Stats on Canada vs USA?	joching	May 2014	#11
It is still possible that a higher % of Canadians could have a gun in their home.	dawg	May 2014	#23
eeeeeeeiiiiii	pangaia	May 2014	#35
I'm sorry.	dawg	May 2014	#36
Apology accepted.	pangaia	May 2014	#40
Just for clarification's sake ...	dawg	May 2014	#41
Sure you were..	pangaia	May 2014	#42
Well ...	dawg	May 2014	#43
Stop Stop	pangaia	May 2014	#44
You're Beautiful	snort	May 2014	#69
Thank you.	dawg	May 2014	#70
Do you still have the strat? Looks like an Albert Lee	Doctor_J	May 2014	#151
You find the attractive patriot repulsive?	Enthusiast	May 2014	#101
There it is Sex,Guns & RocknRoll lol	classykaren	May 2014	#38
Hmmm... holding his gun next to his dick (or where his dick should be?)...	calimary	May 2014	#80
Well, at least he can find his gun......	llmart	May 2014	#142
K & R	cantbeserious	May 2014	#12
Sadly he's right. nt	TBF	May 2014	#14
michael moore is a national treasure.	redruddyred	May 2014	#17
I was about to say that and see you already did. I also call him	Mira	May 2014	#66
Moore is, so sadly, right.	ananda	May 2014	#18
We have to face that we ourselves want the 2nd Amendment. But we must change it. We must.	ancianita	May 2014	#19
Does MM still have his own Armed bodyguard? nt	Eleanors38	May 2014	#20
He should also hire an editor.	Nuclear Unicorn	May 2014	#45
You mean someone actually employed to protect and defend?	WinkyDink	May 2014	#52
Whatever. If he deems it necessary, he should...	Eleanors38	May 2014	#63
Michael Moore received literally hundreds of death threats	thucythucy	May 2014	#79
Re-read. If he needs armed protection, he has a right to it.	Eleanors38	May 2014	#105
I have family and friends who live in Section 8 housing	thucythucy	May 2014	#135
"weird comment:" Are you driving at something Thucy?	Eleanors38	May 2014	#139
Sociopaths sleep well at night, too.	llmart	May 2014	#145
Well, I wouldn't know.	Eleanors38	May 2014	#148
Sorry, but famous people are different from you and me.	WinkyDink	May 2014	#192
Yes, I must remind myself of that.	Eleanors38	May 2014	#196
You mean he has to have bodyguards to protect himself?	BrotherIvan	May 2014	#131
Moore is absolutely right.	AngryOldDem	May 2014	#21
Because what we're doing now isn't working	gratuitous	May 2014	#29
So what should we do differently?	drm604	May 2014	#37
You know, if the gun control side (led by Mayor Bloomberg) would just STFU for awhile and quit...	LAGC	May 2014	#68
are you kidding?	G_j	May 2014	#83
And why do so many gun owners listen to the NRA?	LAGC	May 2014	#94
most anyone who has dared say anything, has called for very reasonable, common sense gun regulations	G_j	May 2014	#125
If only that were the case...	LAGC	May 2014	#127
I believe she is talking about assault weapons.	G_j	May 2014	#129
No, you're right, she was in that clip.	LAGC	May 2014	#133
In one single post you managed to say that:	SomethingFishy	May 2014	#152
Disagree. We might be better off in the wild west	quakerboy	May 2014	#174
Because they're easily-led, fear-driven dumbfucks.	DisgustipatedinCA	May 2014	#188
It's a gravy train.	Enthusiast	May 2014	#102
^^This^^	AngryOldDem	May 2014	#104
I would imagine that manufacturing guns is	Enthusiast	May 2014	#107
Sadly, I think you're right. n/t	AngryOldDem	May 2014	#110
I seriously don't know if there is any answer anymore.	AngryOldDem	May 2014	#108
Well said. "--what the f--- do we expect in this country?" Indeed. In this gun culture, people seem	AlinPA	May 2014	#153
they are insane	treestar	May 2014	#158
It's quite telling for a country where 20 first-graders are wantonly slaughtered...	KansDem	May 2014	#24
Are we lemmings? (NT)	The Wizard	May 2014	#25
Well, look at the rote, defend-guns-at-all-costs lemming posts in this very thread	villager	May 2014	#76
"it can't happen to your child until it does" is what Chris Martinez's father said.	mountain grammy	May 2014	#26
K&r...	spanone	May 2014	#33
Kick.	Warren Stupidity	May 2014	#39
sort of mirrors	G_j	May 2014	#57
Minor correction-- a rare exception to his claim 'none are committed by women'	Gidney N Cloyd	May 2014	#46
Rare indeed	Orrex	May 2014	#58
So rare as to be statistically non-existent. nt	valerief	May 2014	#89
No offense intended.	Gidney N Cloyd	May 2014	#114
And maybe that is the beginning of the solution......	llmart	May 2014	#146
I don't care if they're male, female, or intersex. I just want progressives representing us. nt	valerief	May 2014	#199
bravo	heaven05	May 2014	#47
He's almost got that right.	flvegan	May 2014	#53
My comment usually is - "guns don't kill people? People kill people?" Well, yes. People kill people.	calimary	May 2014	#95
For not having anything to say about, this is perhaps his most eloquent description of it	lostincalifornia	May 2014	#55
Michael is so right!	asiliveandbreathe	May 2014	#61
agreed, and	renate	May 2014	#124
Welcome to DU, asiliveandbreath!	SunSeeker	May 2014	#181
Our spiritual leaders have to step up to the plate, en masse.	toby jo	May 2014	#62
What nation wasn't founded on violence?	treestar	May 2014	#65
This message was self-deleted by its author	G_j	May 2014	#74
As soon as we put this useless boomer congress in the dustbin of history. /nt	Ash_F	May 2014	#111
what do you mean 'boomer' congress? nt	navarth	May 2014	#137
50-70 year olds. /nt	Ash_F	May 2014	#150
why smear boomers?	Skittles	May 2014	#159
The sooner that generation is gone from power, the better.	Ash_F	May 2014	#160
I don't agree with smearing boomers, no, not at ALL	Skittles	May 2014	#163
You dodged. /nt	Ash_F	May 2014	#168
done here	Skittles	May 2014	#169
You sure are. /nt	Ash_F	May 2014	#170
ah.	navarth	May 2014	#180
I'd be curious to know how he/she thinks the younger generation will be better.	AngryOldDem	May 2014	#186
Fair point, but generations are different	Ash_F	May 2014	#189
Not at all	Ash_F	May 2014	#187
pfft.	navarth	May 2014	#195
You injected yourself into this subthread	Ash_F	May 2014	#197
It's a valid question... HOWEVER	justiceischeap	May 2014	#138
So fucking accurate it hurts...knr	joeybee12	May 2014	#67
Well said.	EEO	May 2014	#72
The loudest so called spiritual "Christian" leaders	Iliyah	May 2014	#73
cannot K and R this enough…	dhill926	May 2014	#75
'Nearly all of our mass shootings are by angry or disturbed white males'	maced666	May 2014	#77
Welcome to DU.	LAGC	May 2014	#82
Gun lust makes men crazy. Stop gun lust. nt	valerief	May 2014	#91
That source seems to badly under-report mass shootings.	Ash_F	May 2014	#113
He couldn't be more right!	michaz	May 2014	#81
Another mass shooting	smallcat88	May 2014	#87
"Nearly all of our mass shootings are by angry or disturbed white males."- whaaat?	LittleBlue	May 2014	#90
Some of us are so sick of the "it's mental health" gungeoneer gun lusters. nt	valerief	May 2014	#93
I'm not a gungeoneer	LittleBlue	May 2014	#96
Expect a bunch of White Male denial.	Spitfire of ATJ	May 2014	#98
yeah, i was waiting for it too	shanti	May 2014	#103
One aspect of mass killings that is never discussed...	Gumboot	May 2014	#109
+1 Unfortunately, lots of gun fanciers are on those and other meds that can cause aggression.	Hoyt	May 2014	#122
You do get the whole "correlation doesn't equal causation" thing, right?	DeadLetterOffice	May 2014	#126
Umm....	uriel1972	May 2014	#173
The gun issue is part of American culture	goldent	May 2014	#115
Killing with guns is part of American culture. That's what America excels in.	AlinPA	May 2014	#147
That sounds like a surrender to me.	aikoaiko	May 2014	#121
K&R!	TeamPooka	May 2014	#132
"Enjoy the rest of your day and rest assured this will all happen again very soon."	Boomerproud	May 2014	#140
Until the country wakes up it will happen again and again	Rosa Luxemburg	May 2014	#154
Thank you Michael Moore	underthematrix	May 2014	#166
I'm not the biggest MM fan...	fujiyama	May 2014	#178
I've been heartsick about this for days. Moore is right. nt	Hekate	May 2014	#179
The NRA\white teabagger militia is a terrorist front	workinclasszero	May 2014	#182
Nearly 200 posts, and not a word about ...	Laelth	May 2014	#183
Women	SevenSixtyTwo	May 2014	#185
I think we all are aware of the prison stats.	WinkyDink	May 2014	#191
Prison stats ...	Laelth	May 2014	#194