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AnalystInParadise

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30. So mass punishment
Sat May 24, 2014, 12:02 AM
May 2014

Just say that instead of flowery language. It is mass punishment. My family lived in Mexico a few decades, the other side of my family came from Poland after WW2, my family has nothing to do with slavery, and it is a mass punishment to take anything away from anyone and give it to others if the overriding factor is some kind of guilt. I have no guilt, I have no privilege. I can think of nothing more damaging to American society than forced reparations.

James Fallows recommends this, comparing the US to Germany, China, Russia, Japan and South Africa pampango May 2014 #1
the historical analogies are really compelling Supersedeas May 2014 #6
One of the best writers of our generation. JaneyVee May 2014 #2
Should be required reading for all who claim to be liberals Supersedeas May 2014 #7
I find the article's reasoning to be weak, and its prescriptions dangerous. appal_jack May 2014 #3
Your reading comprehension is apparently not so awesome then. Spider Jerusalem May 2014 #4
You are quite correct on your first point, but off the mark in the second. appal_jack May 2014 #10
"oh, it's not race, its class." This tiresome argument again. kwassa May 2014 #26
Slavery and it's offshoots Are_grits_groceries May 2014 #5
Yes, absolutely. nt appal_jack May 2014 #11
I saw only one prescription in the article. Laelth May 2014 #102
I thought the article was well done, overall, but... Adrahil May 2014 #8
... napkinz May 2014 #9
Couple of pics to add to your collection. WorseBeforeBetter May 2014 #125
kick aikoaiko May 2014 #12
k&r n/t RainDog May 2014 #13
and another k&r...n/t RainDog May 2014 #14
I have been nothing short of astonished at how little traction this story has gotten here Number23 May 2014 #15
It's weird to me, too RainDog May 2014 #16
You're surprised? I'm not, sadly. Spider Jerusalem May 2014 #53
Plus about a gazillion. chervilant May 2014 #89
The black posters have noticed these people for years. Number23 May 2014 #129
So.............. AnalystInParadise May 2014 #17
And since we are on the topic AnalystInParadise May 2014 #18
Check your priviledge philosslayer May 2014 #19
Reparations reinforces privilege, it doesn't address it... MellowDem May 2014 #22
The racial gap still persists. sheshe2 May 2014 #27
That's my point... MellowDem May 2014 #31
The whole article needs to be read. sheshe2 May 2014 #35
Why? AnalystInParadise May 2014 #44
Because had you read it you would know sheshe2 May 2014 #90
I read it... MellowDem May 2014 #55
Yep...... AnalystInParadise May 2014 #94
Mixed Race....... AnalystInParadise May 2014 #23
"We don't want your opinion, because of the race I ASSUME you are" Kurska May 2014 #36
I doubt you're rich enough for this to matter RainDog May 2014 #20
Top 5% AnalystInParadise May 2014 #24
funny. I'm not African American RainDog May 2014 #25
Thank you AnalystInParadise May 2014 #29
I didn't think you would RainDog May 2014 #33
"have fed from the govt. teet for your entire life." Actually he SERVED his country. Kurska May 2014 #40
So did many African Americans RainDog May 2014 #47
Your smear against veterans isn't anymore acceptable, because you're mad about what he said. Kurska May 2014 #48
Actually, they do. Any government employee does. kwassa May 2014 #127
Wow AnalystInParadise May 2014 #41
I gave as much respect as you did RainDog May 2014 #46
"You were in my mind a jerk, so I was a jerk to an entire class of people that you are a part of" Kurska May 2014 #49
I read the article AnalystInParadise May 2014 #95
You are incorrect, sir. kwassa May 2014 #28
So mass punishment AnalystInParadise May 2014 #30
You are incorrect again. It is not mass punishment. It is collective responsibility. kwassa May 2014 #34
This message was self-deleted by its author Kurska May 2014 #38
Oh.....so I say I am non white Hispanic AnalystInParadise May 2014 #42
You're not just wrong, you're purposefully dense Scootaloo May 2014 #60
"It's a question of the *state's* exploitation of and wealth extraction from a class of people..." Nuclear Unicorn May 2014 #74
And where will the state get the money AnalystInParadise May 2014 #99
You win the prize for the most illogical opposition to this article. kwassa May 2014 #101
Responsibility AnalystInParadise May 2014 #43
I think you are on the wrong website. The tea party websites are elsewhere. kwassa May 2014 #59
No, taxes AnalystInParadise May 2014 #96
Do you have a mortgage? If so, you took part in this Recursion May 2014 #63
NOPE AnalystInParadise May 2014 #97
Why on earth should my Russian-Jewish family take part in collective responsibility for slavery? Kurska May 2014 #39
Yet more ignorant commentary from someone who clearly didn't read the article Spider Jerusalem May 2014 #54
And I was responsible for those how? n/t Kurska May 2014 #56
This isn't about *you*, it's about the collective responsibility of the US government. Spider Jerusalem May 2014 #57
That will be enforced by taking from me AnalystInParadise May 2014 #98
Did you have anything to do with putting Japanese-Americans in camps? Spider Jerusalem May 2014 #100
Here is the big difference I think. Kurska May 2014 #105
You keep missing the point here. Spider Jerusalem May 2014 #107
You didn't actually read my entire post did you? n/t Kurska May 2014 #108
Sure, I read it, most of it is about slavery, which isn't want's being talked about here. Spider Jerusalem May 2014 #109
You know how I know you didn't? Kurska May 2014 #111
I read that. Spider Jerusalem May 2014 #112
"I have no idea what form reparations should take' Kurska May 2014 #113
Saying we should address something isn't the same thing as offering concrete proposals. Spider Jerusalem May 2014 #114
No one on DU or in this thread is saying African Americans didn't get screwed. Kurska May 2014 #116
Your proposal really doesn't deserve to be taken seriously. Spider Jerusalem May 2014 #119
Okay let me explain something. Kurska May 2014 #121
This is something that would require separate legislation; YOU do realise THAT, yes? Spider Jerusalem May 2014 #122
You'd have to repeal or heavily modify title VI of the civil rights act to do it. Kurska May 2014 #123
You seem to be implying Benjamin Jealous is not black. Is that what you are saying? kwassa May 2014 #128
Actually, I was using him as an example of how being black can go beyond skin color. Kurska May 2014 #132
Are reparations for slavery off the table? I don think so. aikoaiko May 2014 #64
Read the article. You might see why Recursion May 2014 #62
Because your Russian Jewish family benefits from the wealth built by slave labor. kwassa May 2014 #65
Yeah, all the racist whites were lining up to provide my Jewish relatives jobs. Kurska May 2014 #103
So if the government violates someones rights, you would be against... killbotfactory May 2014 #104
That is totally what I said Kurska May 2014 #106
No one is holding you or your family personally responsible for slavery killbotfactory May 2014 #120
yes, a racist would hire a Jew before hiring a black. kwassa May 2014 #126
Read the article before commenting upon it. Spider Jerusalem May 2014 #50
Reparations would do nothing to close the racial gap... MellowDem May 2014 #21
KnR sheshe2 May 2014 #32
Checks to African Americans for being African Americans isn't going to advance race relations Kurska May 2014 #37
why is there an idea that blacks are dependent on govt and incapable of making it on their own JI7 May 2014 #45
Who thinks American Blacks are "incapable..."? This is the crap Republicans spout in their anti- WinkyDink May 2014 #52
Well, at least you're consistent Scootaloo May 2014 #58
So how do you think reparations should work? Kurska May 2014 #110
The vaunted postwar middle class was perfectly happy with checks to them for being white Recursion May 2014 #61
America prefers myth to history. See: Americans, Native. See: VietNam. See: Reagan. WinkyDink May 2014 #51
It's an awful idea. My family never owned slaves LittleBlue May 2014 #66
it's NOT ABOUT SLAVERY. Spider Jerusalem May 2014 #67
Stop saying "read the article" LittleBlue May 2014 #68
If you bothered to read it (which you pretty clearly haven't)... Spider Jerusalem May 2014 #70
It will change my views LittleBlue May 2014 #72
No, I think no-one can comment on the article without reading it. Spider Jerusalem May 2014 #75
I came here to comment on reparations LittleBlue May 2014 #77
This thread is about the article. Spider Jerusalem May 2014 #79
It's also about reparations LittleBlue May 2014 #80
I'm calling you ignorant... Spider Jerusalem May 2014 #81
I do know the subject the thread is about LittleBlue May 2014 #84
it's pretty clear that you don't, actually Spider Jerusalem May 2014 #88
Then why does he keep referring to slavery and reconstruction in the article? aikoaiko May 2014 #71
Only as something that's constant and pervasive in American history. Spider Jerusalem May 2014 #73
And I think that my point is that is connected and difficult to deal with in terms of reparations. aikoaiko May 2014 #76
He never makes a case for reparations specifically for slavery. Spider Jerusalem May 2014 #78
Fair enough, but others have when using the term reparations with black Americans. aikoaiko May 2014 #82
You read it, right? Spider Jerusalem May 2014 #83
Maybe I'm getting caught up in the semantics and general use of reparations aikoaiko May 2014 #85
I don't think that's it, no Spider Jerusalem May 2014 #87
I kind of get his point. aikoaiko May 2014 #124
America as a whole owes its wealth to slavery gollygee May 2014 #91
It doesn't, really LittleBlue May 2014 #92
The money for the industrial revolution came largely from the slave trade gollygee May 2014 #93
Wall Street wasn't the reason we had an industrial revolution. Kurska May 2014 #115
We had money in this country to build factories gollygee May 2014 #117
Except we nearly bankrupted ourselves during the civil war over slavery. Kurska May 2014 #118
You are wrong again. The industrial revolution in the US started with slave-grown cotton. kwassa May 2014 #130
Yet those weren't the industries that spurred forth America's real economic revolution. Kurska May 2014 #131
Intersting article. Rhinodawg May 2014 #69
reading a magazine article, hearing a speaker Leme May 2014 #86
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