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VanillaRhapsody

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240. Agree with you randys1 100%!

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Wed May 14, 2014, 04:46 PM

May 2014

THAT is how we fix it!

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I love it when white Dudes proclaim to know the cure for white privilege [View all] boston bean May 2014 OP

Dig a ditch. Drink beer. Easy peasy. Sheldon Cooper May 2014 #1

LOL boston bean May 2014 #2

They must not have heard the one about stopping the dig Sheldon Cooper May 2014 #5

Or, white women? pintobean May 2014 #3

This White woman...agrees with the premise that White privilege exists... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #35

As does male privilege. Lizzie Poppet May 2014 #213

Did I say that....weren't you one of the ones that denied White male privilege last week? VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #226

I didn't claim you did...it was a general question. Lizzie Poppet May 2014 #234

And I just proved to your fast that White males ARE advantaged VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #236

Proved to my fast? I have no idea what that means. Lizzie Poppet May 2014 #239

mistyped....meant FACE VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #241

White people are behind racism and privilege and only white people can resolve said issues randys1 May 2014 #229

Uh no....why is it ONLY White people.....I do not agree at all.... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #232

We are saying the same thing, I am saying that someone without privilege cannot solve randys1 May 2014 #233

Oh for sure.....those with the privilege MUST be a big part of the solution.... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #235

Sadly we are...and it isnt complicated why randys1 May 2014 #238

Agree with you randys1 100%! VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #240

Is there a thread somewhere demonstrating this? cyberswede May 2014 #63

Why does there have to be? Of course white women are a privileged group... Violet_Crumble May 2014 #183

For being white, sure. For being women, obviously not. Lizzie Poppet May 2014 #214

pintobean's reply implied that the OP was negligent in not mentioning women... cyberswede May 2014 #217

How about this OP? pintobean May 2014 #224

Speaking of tone deafness. NYC_SKP May 2014 #4

It's the god damned truth of the matter. boston bean May 2014 #7

And yet notice who you singled out in your thread title. 11 Bravo May 2014 #36

There's at least one thread by a white male proposing a solution to white privilege... cyberswede May 2014 #51

Why shouldn't there be? Lizzie Poppet May 2014 #215

I didn't say there shouldn't be...just that the OP is about a specific thread... cyberswede May 2014 #218

My question was more general...not directed specifically at you. Lizzie Poppet May 2014 #219

Who were arguing against White privilege? VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #39

I'm sure anyone can find anecdotes that support their prejudicial biases. lumberjack_jeff May 2014 #41

Its just prejudice huh? VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #86

Is this a better example of a non sequitur or a red herring? lumberjack_jeff May 2014 #103

Source? MannyGoldstein May 2014 #130

for your Edification.... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #175

Thanks. nt MannyGoldstein May 2014 #190

Welcome... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #228

. Nye Bevan May 2014 #6

Sorry, the horse isn't dead. it is the highest horse I have ever seen and Some White Dudes on here Tuesday Afternoon May 2014 #10

+1 nomorenomore08 May 2014 #125

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Wah!!! bravenak May 2014 #34

"White dude?" KansDem May 2014 #8

Which are you objecting to, "White" or "Dude" ? nt boston bean May 2014 #12

My favorite BainsBane May 2014 #9

I know. I was like WTF? boston bean May 2014 #11

I am now certain of it BainsBane May 2014 #13

me too Tuesday Afternoon May 2014 #25

Which bright light said THAT??? Squinch May 2014 #138

I would've thought that maybe listening to minority communities on the issue would be a solution. NuclearDem May 2014 #14

Are you kidding me? Listen to minority communities regarding issues that effect them boston bean May 2014 #15

We were told that if we all just held hands and sing Kumbaya together VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #40

"...not taxing them with the responsibility of not offending white men." nomorenomore08 May 2014 #126

I guess your argument is that white males at DU should not comment on this issue? nt el_bryanto May 2014 #16

My argument is that they shouldn't be diminishing and denying a black persons boston bean May 2014 #17

Exactly. It's the arrogance and presumptuousness that are most of the problem. n/t nomorenomore08 May 2014 #128

"... and think it is only they who have the answers..." TroglodyteScholar May 2014 #146

I'm not sharing any road with people who attempt to diminish and squelch boston bean May 2014 #147

My mileage does fucking vary TroglodyteScholar May 2014 #148

That's because the ones I am talking about do believe they are the only ones with the correct boston bean May 2014 #149

"White dudes" TroglodyteScholar May 2014 #152

Did you write a post or ever speak about curing privilege whilst denying it exists? boston bean May 2014 #153

plonk TroglodyteScholar May 2014 #156

Plonk is exactly my thought as well. boston bean May 2014 #158

Enjoy spewing your one-liners while someone else tries to solve the problems you actively exacerbate TroglodyteScholar May 2014 #160

You keep driving those wedges by not understanding it's not about you personally. boston bean May 2014 #161

P.S. It does DU a serious disservice... TroglodyteScholar May 2014 #150

No it is you who have done that. ie lumped yourself in with the others. boston bean May 2014 #151

You are not worth any more time TroglodyteScholar May 2014 #154

No, I made no assumptions about YOU. boston bean May 2014 #157

but but but you said mean things about "White dudes".....why why that's...that's... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #181

Your denial of your divisiveness is no better than the denial you pipoman May 2014 #207

I am the divisive one and "pretending to care"? boston bean May 2014 #208

Waaaa....not alienated, stupefied by those who wish to pipoman May 2014 #209

Oh, it is me who is sexist and racist? boston bean May 2014 #210

Have a link to someone on DU denying racism or sexism? pipoman May 2014 #211

+1 Shankapotomus May 2014 #170

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You sound like you don't trust black persons. boston bean May 2014 #195

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keep on keeping on.... boston bean May 2014 #200

. pintobean May 2014 #202

Citation Needed On the Road May 2014 #203

The citation is all over this thread and all over GD boston bean May 2014 #204

Then why have I made dozens of posts on the subject and never been called out once? nomorenomore08 May 2014 #127

I'm listening. What, EXACTLY, is the cure for white privilege... Demo_Chris May 2014 #18

. Tuesday Afternoon May 2014 #24

As someone upthread said, "listening to minority communities on the issue" cyberswede May 2014 #33

I am listening, but there doesn't seem to be any unified message... Demo_Chris May 2014 #71

Acknowledgment. And before you say, "Fine I acknowledge it so it's cured," Squinch May 2014 #142

It goes quite a bit beyond these limited examples, and that's the problem... Demo_Chris May 2014 #174

No. The things I describe are privilege. The others experienced racism. I experienced privilege. Squinch May 2014 #223

The smart thing is to say nothing. Blue_Adept May 2014 #19

Nobody said nothing.....but apparently on this subject you don't... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #42

So all of these subjects are completely beyond the scope of reason? Major Nikon May 2014 #121

Did I ask about reason? VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #176

Your claim is that reason has zero value Major Nikon May 2014 #206

Have you experienced child-birth? VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #227

I do no presume to tell people who have not had a particular experience... Major Nikon May 2014 #230

You have no business telling pregnant women what its like and how they should handle it VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #231

So were back full circle now Major Nikon May 2014 #237

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Yes! "white Dudes" shouldn't offer any thoughts on how to address issues of privilege at all. hughee99 May 2014 #20

I guess you miss the part where the actual persons who experience racism boston bean May 2014 #21

So you don't think people's opinions should be dismissed? hughee99 May 2014 #23

Yep, I did. and now I return to you to your regularly scheduled programming of boston bean May 2014 #27

I didn't say anything about the validity of anyone's opinion, nor did I sugget dismissing ANYONE's hughee99 May 2014 #30

It's ok for any one to discuss issues of race boston bean May 2014 #32

So your issue is with the denial of racial issues, then. hughee99 May 2014 #44

the subject at hand is White Dude Privilege..... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #46

Also, it is quite presumptuous for any white person to be proclaiming the CURE boston bean May 2014 #49

totally agree with you Boston Bean! VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #56

"White men ought not be telling minorities how and why they should feel" Okay, and perhaps.......... AverageJoe90 May 2014 #118

on discrimination....white men have the market pretty much cornered VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #178

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Well... cyberswede May 2014 #28

Well they both exist... Agschmid May 2014 #31

Yes n/t arcane1 May 2014 #45

both...so don't be confused VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #47

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Uh. Huh. uppityperson May 2014 #53

why are you feeling "scolded"? VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #54

Are males privileged to females? VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #60

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That is YOUR question not mine... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #75

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I am saying if you are White and male....you are very privileged indeed! VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #87

Do you deny the existence of institutionalized privilege based on skin color, gender or sexual uppityperson May 2014 #92

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At least you now say you recognize privilege exists but wtf? uppityperson May 2014 #101

White females have privilege compared to black females cyberswede May 2014 #77

So? bravenak May 2014 #62

And then it behooves white women, KitSileya May 2014 #184

Good post. bravenak May 2014 #221

Well this thread appears to be about specific posts by specific people gollygee May 2014 #98

I can't blame you for being confused; a lot of this banter fails to make complete sense anyway. AverageJoe90 May 2014 #59

funny how it is only confusing to a few White males.... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #65

At least this time uppityperson May 2014 #80

very true....I guess that is a step...a baby one but still VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #81

Awaiting the Magnum Opus/op. uppityperson May 2014 #96

and funny how it is just banter if one group expresses their life experience and reactions to same stage left May 2014 #99

As a now middle aged white man who has spent his whole life The Second Stone May 2014 #29

But, it is ok and we should all just remain quiet boston bean May 2014 #38

Personally, I find this "white privilege" meme in the abstract to be viciously The Second Stone May 2014 #123

Why would you .....have you personally committed racism? VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #177

I'm a person of plaid complexion with notions that I express The Second Stone May 2014 #222

You are calling ME racist when all I am doing is pointing out the truth... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #225

I think that the way the "white male privilege" debate is being The Second Stone May 2014 #242

I just showed you why....but here it is again.....please pay attention VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #243

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Denying their experience and controlling the language boston bean May 2014 #192

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Denying their experiences and historical and current day struggles boston bean May 2014 #194

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It is your problem that you are so distrustful of black persons, boston bean May 2014 #198

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If you've spent your life fighting for equality, then you've already done more than most of us. nomorenomore08 May 2014 #131

I don't want to see the current "white privilege" meme The Second Stone May 2014 #137

Oh my. bravenak May 2014 #37

... nomorenomore08 May 2014 #132

this is a bogus way to discuss this issue Enrique May 2014 #43

Only to those that are offended by the term White male privilege... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #48

100% totally wrong Enrique May 2014 #50

Apparently NOT... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #58

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It evolved in the 3 hours that you've been here? cyberswede May 2014 #69

it's been a slow run uppityperson May 2014 #73

LMAO arcane1 May 2014 #82

No we didn't...because you can be both and receive privilege from both VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #70

Bullshit. Lizzie Poppet May 2014 #216

Yep. The "white privilege" discussion is becoming poisonous. Eleanors38 May 2014 #55

Does *any* one group really have *all* the cure for "white privilege"? AverageJoe90 May 2014 #57

One must agree an issue exists before they put their weight behind it. boston bean May 2014 #61

Nobody said they did. But we need to stop splitting hairs over what to label the problem nomorenomore08 May 2014 #133

Okay lets call it White Male Advantage.....does that suit your sensibilities? VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #179

I wasn't one of the ones arguing against anybody's framing. nomorenomore08 May 2014 #180

Okay thank you for clarifying....I did misunderstand then sorry.... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #182

If only our presidential and congressional candidates adopted white privilege as a campaign theme. Comrade Grumpy May 2014 #64

That sounds just like how some democrats handled gay marriage. boston bean May 2014 #76

Gay marriage is an actual policy position. What's the policy associated with white privilege? Comrade Grumpy May 2014 #88

Gay marriage wasn't achieved by people keeping their mouths shut. boston bean May 2014 #95

My insult was a direct response to yours. I even used the same sentence structure. Comrade Grumpy May 2014 #110

Thank the lord! nt boston bean May 2014 #111

Best reply I've seen! Puzzledtraveller May 2014 #90

Your post, to me, comes off as if you're saying that 'white dudes' have nothing to contribute penultimate May 2014 #66

Wow, I wish persons who are so critical of what I write would boston bean May 2014 #72

I'm reading through the thread and it's still unclear. penultimate May 2014 #91

well, sorry, it's not more clear to you. But it certainly is clear to many others. boston bean May 2014 #102

Bilge. An idea is an idea is an idea; the colour of the person putting it forward is irrelevant. N.T Donald Ian Rankin May 2014 #68

My solution is Puzzledtraveller May 2014 #78

The cure won't come SevenSixtyTwo May 2014 #79

How did the president get some and noone else? Puzzledtraveller May 2014 #93

I like that better! SevenSixtyTwo May 2014 #119

So what makes you think social class is so important, but race is irrelevant? nomorenomore08 May 2014 #134

I agree SevenSixtyTwo May 2014 #140

I don't doubt that plenty of people of all backgrounds sabotage whatever chances they may have nomorenomore08 May 2014 #172

Individual effort SevenSixtyTwo May 2014 #186

Claiming a "white dude" can't authentically contribute to a discussion about privilege is BS. TeacherB87 May 2014 #83

Just so happens to be it is a white dude (s) boston bean May 2014 #85

Your overgeneralization is offensive. TeacherB87 May 2014 #94

So, you don't like the (s) on the end of dudes. ok. boston bean May 2014 #97

... cyberswede May 2014 #105

LOL! boston bean May 2014 #108

I don't making sweeping generalizations about a group of people based on the actions of a few. TeacherB87 May 2014 #115

Then "authentically contribute." No one's stopping you, or me. nomorenomore08 May 2014 #135

I have already in several threads...here is an example. Let me know what you think. TeacherB87 May 2014 #143

I think you're on the right track, absolutely. What trips some people up is that "privilege" doesn't nomorenomore08 May 2014 #173

As a white dude myself... jmondine May 2014 #89

Tired of people bitching for the sake of bitching. Calista241 May 2014 #107

"But I'm sick of people lambasting me for my whiteness. I didn't choose to be white." nomorenomore08 May 2014 #136

Good post laundry_queen May 2014 #220

I ran this OP through Google Translate... Zenlitened May 2014 #104

Do you save your comments for only maligning one side of the argument? boston bean May 2014 #106

. Egnever May 2014 #109

Generally, yes. The side I oppose or disagree with. Zenlitened May 2014 #113

No, you answered just fine. thanks. boston bean May 2014 #114

I guess we need the solution white-splained to us mwrguy May 2014 #112

I'd be interested in hearing ANYONE'S cure, regardless of sex, gender, or color... Shandris May 2014 #116

"I'd be interested in hearing ANYONE'S cure, regardless of sex, gender, or color..." This, x1,000. AverageJoe90 May 2014 #117

The problem I have with discussing "white privilege" Blue_In_AK May 2014 #120

Actually I can agree with this. Xyzse May 2014 #122

Try this. redqueen May 2014 #124

I know you seldom respond to me, but as a matter of point... Shandris May 2014 #129

I think that is the approach of those denying privilege BainsBane May 2014 #139

I care about what everyone has to say about racism. Shandris May 2014 #164

I don't pretend to know the solution for white privilege Fumesucker May 2014 #141

Who are "These white dudes" AgingAmerican May 2014 #144

And they are willing to share that cure Capt. Obvious May 2014 #145

What about us Jew dudes can we give an input or is strictly for others? dilby May 2014 #155

Sure if its not diminishing the experience of those who live the negative effects boston bean May 2014 #159

So in your opinion I have to declare someone priviledged based on the pigmantation of their skin. dilby May 2014 #162

No, I think one who denies white privilege boston bean May 2014 #163

Then we have lost and the 1% has won. dilby May 2014 #165

I'm not siding with the 1%. boston bean May 2014 #166

I am a Jew we make up 2% of this country. dilby May 2014 #168

Join the club then. What the hell is it you think I'm doing? boston bean May 2014 #169

You think siding with people of color is siding with the 1%? gollygee May 2014 #197

One hell of a leap of logic there, gollygee......nt AverageJoe90 May 2014 #212

I always thought it was in bad taste Shankapotomus May 2014 #167

You rang? rrneck May 2014 #171

So here's a test.... Buddyblazon May 2014 #185

I like when anyone thinks they know what's best for someone else IronLionZion May 2014 #188

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