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TheWraith

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19. Your facts are completely wrong.

Reply to ProgressiveEconomist (Reply #17)

Fri Mar 30, 2012, 12:52 PM

Mar 2012

IMO the 180-degree "burden of proof" shift in the Florida Stand Your Ground Law is really absurd.

No, it's not. It's innocent until presumed guilty. And there's no real difference in that respect than any other state's laws. Every state requires probable cause.

But "justifiable homicides" have TRIPLED in Florida because now the police must accept any claim of "self defense"

One, "justifiable homicides have NOT tripled. Claims of self defense went from 30 a year to 90 a year. Most of the new claims were still convicted and put in prison. The police do not "must" do anything. Also, the law does not protect lethal force for nonviolent property crimes or anything else of the kind.

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How much did George Zimmerman's dad give the State's Attorney's re-election campaign? [View all] ProgressiveEconomist Mar 2012 OP

AFIK, the State Attorney was at the police station. grasswire Mar 2012 #1

I think there is a public record of safeinOhio Mar 2012 #2

Then there is this safeinOhio Mar 2012 #3

Is it online? Is it part of the ProgressiveEconomist Mar 2012 #4

someone in my office searched both the florida site and opensecret onenote Mar 2012 #14

A chit got cashed. Old and In the Way Mar 2012 #5

Thanks for the info. Baitball Blogger Mar 2012 #11

IDK, but it's getting worse all the time. Did they think they could get away with that, if so? freshwest Mar 2012 #6

Why would a retired Virginia judge know the ins and outs of Florica's SYG laws? dkf Mar 2012 #7

Because Florida is the incubator for laws of this kind. EFerrari Mar 2012 #8

You hit it on the nail. Baitball Blogger Mar 2012 #10

SYG existed before florida gejohnston Mar 2012 #15

You need to check out all of Robert Zimmerman's political campaign contributions. Baitball Blogger Mar 2012 #9

All EXCELLENT points. But I doubt ProgressiveEconomist Mar 2012 #12

Correct. Baitball Blogger Mar 2012 #13

have to disagree with you on one thing gejohnston Mar 2012 #16

That's a pretty BIG thing. ProgressiveEconomist Mar 2012 #17

actually, that is not true gejohnston Mar 2012 #18

Your facts are completely wrong. TheWraith Mar 2012 #19

+1 Well said. That's exactly what's happening. Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #23

Here is a newsmeat link for a Robert Zimmerman (retired) in Florida librechik Mar 2012 #20

Naples isn't anywhere near Lake Mary FL onenote Mar 2012 #21

Nobody on the contributor list in Lake Mary named Zimmerman librechik Mar 2012 #22