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Response to pnwmom (Reply #45)

Thu Mar 29, 2012, 12:27 PM

82. The problem there is several layers deep. YES, nader had that philosophy - the only way to

make things better is to see them get a whole lot worse and then people will rise up and rectify it.

Well - not necessarily. Because when you couple that with the FACT that the propaganda war the bad guys have been waging successfully for decades has taken its toll, what you really wind up with is a populace that's become so beaten down that there is no gumption for fighting back. You have the drumbeat, over many years, of "oh, they're ALL crooks." Or "they're ALL the same." And people start to believe that after hearing it parroted to them over and over and over and over and over, over a factor of YEARS, that soon enough, all that repetition starts making it a truism. People begin to believe it and don't question its validity because it's been drilled into them, nonstop, for YEARS, while at the same time there's been NO push-back. When all you hear is one side, and you don't hear anything from the other side, something in you is led to conclude - "well, nobody's saying anything different - so it must be true then."

Example: the naive idiot John Kerry - when the swiftboaters started attacking. Anybody remember that? He held back. Took the high road. Was just SURE that people would somehow KNOW, or SEE, or UNDERSTAND. Decorated, wounded war hero and all that. And he was probably told - don't say anything because you'll just give it legs and keep it going. And he believed and sat on his ass. And with NO push-back from his side, he got rolled. Because the other side did not stop and did not give up and kept attacking - with NOTHING pushing back or refuting, until it was too late. The public conclusion? "Well, he's not saying anything - maybe he has nothing to say? Must be true then. Otherwise he'd be fighting back. What's he hiding?" And by the time he finally woke his sorry ass up and smelled the bullshit, it was too late. He was covered in it too deep to dig out, and the message stuck because he did NOTHING to refute it until it was too late, and the damage was done. For God's sake, John Kerry went TO WAR! Did he treat the enemy there like that? Did he just feel like trusting that those other guys with their guns and grenades and stealth WEREN'T gonna keep fighting because they'd just somehow understand that he was a good guy? For God's Sake!!!!!

The continuing naivete on our side just makes me want to vomit!!! We're about to get rolled on health care reform - after all that fighting and struggle and years of effort. Because NOBODY on our side thought the bad guys would never give up. And we're about to get rolled on a woman's right to choose, too. Because NOBODY on our side thought the bad guys would never give up. We're already getting rolled on voters' rights, because NOBODY on our side thought the bad guys would go there or try that - it just isn't right! It isn't moral! It's not based on any truth or evidence to support "voter fraud"! BUT the bad guys DO these things anyway. We expect them to act and think and react like we do. They don't. And until our side gets that, we're gonna keep getting rolled. Count on it.

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