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135. The United States government...

Sun Apr 20, 2014, 08:33 PM

Apr 2014

... is not Nazi Germany and my friends, I assure you, are neither serial killers nor war criminals. Corrupt institutions are made up of corrupt individuals, and that does not describe the more than a few people I have known who have worked for the NSA.

My argument certainly could be used to defend our government's signals intelligent programs, including those aspects that occasionally are used against American citizens for legitimate security purposes.

I don't go so far, however, as to claim that they are all quite polite. On the contrary, several of them have been known to be rude!

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For The Record: Snowden Gave Classified US Intel to the Chinese. It is a fact. [View all] arely staircase Apr 2014 OP

Yes he did! Tarheel_Dem Apr 2014 #1

Someone in another thread actually said this wasn't legit because it is arely staircase Apr 2014 #3

They're peddling really hard these days because Comrade Snowie's approval sucks here. Tarheel_Dem Apr 2014 #41

Another Tail Gunner Joe fan I see. BillZBubb Apr 2014 #127

Comrade? elias7 Apr 2014 #131

Who the fuck knows what kind of state "The New Russia" is today? Tarheel_Dem Apr 2014 #163

Snowden should love it in modern Russia. Libertarian paradise. Ikonoklast Apr 2014 #200

Dumbest Thread Ever billhicks76 Apr 2014 #48

...^ that 840high Apr 2014 #72

I live in the Washington, DC area... reACTIONary Apr 2014 #112

Your defense of the indefensible is laughable. BillZBubb Apr 2014 #114

Reasonable people may disagree... reACTIONary Apr 2014 #118

Glad that you know some of the good guys. They are anecdotal though. Indefensible GoneFishin Apr 2014 #141

The activites of the NSA... reACTIONary Apr 2014 #144

Total nonsense. Been down that road. Agree to disagree. Good evening. nt GoneFishin Apr 2014 #154

Not According To Russ Tice billhicks76 Apr 2014 #126

The United States government... reACTIONary Apr 2014 #135

Was Just Speaking Hyperbolically To Make A Point billhicks76 Apr 2014 #138

Since you mentioned him twice... reACTIONary Apr 2014 #152

Right on the MONEY! BillZBubb Apr 2014 #113

Then again, some of them may be reACTIONary Apr 2014 #128

What a laugh. BillZBubb Apr 2014 #132

Sez you... reACTIONary Apr 2014 #143

Good Money In Defending NSA billhicks76 Apr 2014 #129

You may have a good point. BillZBubb Apr 2014 #134

New York Times and The New Yorker billhicks76 Apr 2014 #137

Good Report On Bill Moyers billhicks76 Apr 2014 #142

Are you implying something? nt jazzimov Apr 2014 #196

Not With You But Yes It Exists Here Too billhicks76 Apr 2014 #199

It wasn't until you piped up. Tarheel_Dem Apr 2014 #162

I don't use pipes billhicks76 Apr 2014 #169

Well, because to about seven very loud DU'ers... Scootaloo Apr 2014 #179

Eddie also gave classified US intel to al qaeda.. Cha Apr 2014 #136

Hahaha billhicks76 Apr 2014 #168

So you just accused Cha of being a paid poster on DU? eom sheshe2 Apr 2014 #201

This message was self-deleted by its author oldhippie Apr 2014 #202

Snowden says he's defending the constitution... Cali_Democrat Apr 2014 #2

and he has boxes in his garage! arely staircase Apr 2014 #4

Yes, that and the Authoritareenz on DU are working for the Gubmint flamingdem Apr 2014 #102

Worse than the Gubmint... reACTIONary Apr 2014 #116

So you equate a right-wing newspaper with "the Chinese"? grasswire Apr 2014 #5

you have a good point arely staircase Apr 2014 #8

So the Chinese government people can't read the newspapers in their own country? pnwmom Apr 2014 #11

well it was in English arely staircase Apr 2014 #14

whooosh grasswire Apr 2014 #17

No,I got your point. Just thought it was very naive. n/t pnwmom Apr 2014 #20

Funny how the word "naive" Aerows Apr 2014 #73

If there was a document Aerows Apr 2014 #33

But, of course. Beneficiaries of the military-industrial complex, fat from feasting closeupready Apr 2014 #49

It has gotten so ridiculous Aerows Apr 2014 #174

I just think they are wasting their time here. This is a small website, closeupready Apr 2014 #194

Since I have actually dedicated my time Aerows Apr 2014 #195

And who exactly did this revelation harm? truedelphi Apr 2014 #6

I take it from your comment you are privy to all NSA and CIA operations globally. MohRokTah Apr 2014 #7

I take it from yours Aerows Apr 2014 #34

You're DAMNED straight I cheerlead the NSA spying on other nations. THAT'S THEIR JOB! MohRokTah Apr 2014 #38

MohRokTah Aerows Apr 2014 #42

And now when left with no valid argument, you resort to ad hominems and baiting. eom MohRokTah Apr 2014 #43

Would you like a transparent bag or a tranparent box? n/t Aerows Apr 2014 #67

So you believe in a black and white world, like fundies? MohRokTah Apr 2014 #75

Please continue to profess Aerows Apr 2014 #77

And again, you resort to ad hominems and baiting. MohRokTah Apr 2014 #81

Nor fact-based argument. nt SunSeeker Apr 2014 #120

Or wit. Number23 Apr 2014 #171

Glad I missed that thread. SunSeeker Apr 2014 #186

Did you know that when our spy apparatus went full time in the years after WW2... DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2014 #172

"Obama is the President of the United States Aerows Apr 2014 #177

No, it could harm actual US citizens treestar Apr 2014 #71

yeah I am sure the US was just looking at people's grades on the Chinese university server arely staircase Apr 2014 #10

It could easily have an effect on US-Chinese relations treestar Apr 2014 #68

DU rec...nt SidDithers Apr 2014 #9

You lap dog you!! Peacetrain Apr 2014 #12

Thanks for the reminder. nt pnwmom Apr 2014 #13

For the Record...YOU got it wrong again. bvar22 Apr 2014 #15

lol arely staircase Apr 2014 #16

You dodged the point...You posted BOGUS claims. bvar22 Apr 2014 #18

you seem extremely confused about a point of law.... msanthrope Apr 2014 #24

Is the Washington Post writer a traitor? Otelo Apr 2014 #40

Welcome to DU... SidDithers Apr 2014 #99

uh ok arely staircase Apr 2014 #21

Did you READ the atricle YOU linked to, arley? bvar22 Apr 2014 #25

name's arely arely staircase Apr 2014 #27

Start saying Edward Snowden and maybe elias49 Apr 2014 #63

Annnnnd......There we have it. bvar22 Apr 2014 #76

actually your funniest pic is in post 25 nt arely staircase Apr 2014 #185

Don't waste your time with them. Soylent Brice Apr 2014 #46

Hmmm, considering you did not counter his points at all makes me think they are correct. nt Logical Apr 2014 #101

Your thread is now over despite the rolling on the floor smilie. nt Mojorabbit Apr 2014 #155

what? arely staircase Apr 2014 #158

Your op has been debunked. :) nt Mojorabbit Apr 2014 #159

nope arely staircase Apr 2014 #160

Because the Chinese government doesn't read the newspaper? Your illogical msanthrope Apr 2014 #19

They have no less access to the Washington Post. TheKentuckian Apr 2014 #197

Ok....to your first assertion, yes. It matters not to whom or how it is disseminated.... msanthrope Apr 2014 #198

No, reading the article Aerows Apr 2014 #36

Great analysis on the constitutionality of NSA programs Otelo Apr 2014 #22

oh yeah, prove it! Helen Borg Apr 2014 #23

well played nt arely staircase Apr 2014 #26

Actually he gave it to the American People. The other countries just read it too. on point Apr 2014 #28

hey I wouldn't be surprised if someone tried to argue that for real nt arely staircase Apr 2014 #29

for the record... Soylent Brice Apr 2014 #30

I know, right arely staircase Apr 2014 #31

Or from Putin, either. Hekate Apr 2014 #35

I agree with your point about our intel community arely staircase Apr 2014 #58

That's "Snowden" with a capital "S" elias49 Apr 2014 #70

Seriously? (nt) Control-Z Apr 2014 #150

I like it with a lower case S. bravenak Apr 2014 #181

derp. Soylent Brice Apr 2014 #44

KnR Good luck. It's just barely possible that he is the most naive person who ever got entangled.... Hekate Apr 2014 #32

You're missing the whole damned point. And that's a fact. n/t DeSwiss Apr 2014 #37

I heard Snowden once went to the bathroom and DIDN'T WASH HIS HANDS!!! Vashta Nerada Apr 2014 #39

and had boxes in his garage! arely staircase Apr 2014 #51

The Pulitzer voters have clearly ruffled some feathers around here. marmar Apr 2014 #45

this^ Soylent Brice Apr 2014 #47

Well, That Pulitzer certainly provoked a regular Two Minutes of HATE from the NSA protectors. bvar22 Apr 2014 #88

HE DIDNT WIN THE PULITZER!!!!1!!!111! DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2014 #175

If i had not committed any crimes (like espionage or theft), I would never have left Thinkingabout Apr 2014 #50

If I thought I could get a legal trial Aerows Apr 2014 #52

Perhaps it would be best not to make the choice to commit crimes in which would Thinkingabout Apr 2014 #66

so? bowens43 Apr 2014 #53

Domestic US spying is still sleazy and uncalled for AgingAmerican Apr 2014 #54

The NSA, like the CIA, has always been incredibly corrupt, inept, and respects no laws at all Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2014 #55

It just makes them angry Aerows Apr 2014 #60

True. Meantime, they're doing lots of harm. They've been doing harm since forever, and nobody Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2014 #83

He revealed crimes and misconduct Aerows Apr 2014 #56

Telling The Chinese That They Are Being Attacked Is Not The Same As Collected Intelligence Information cantbeserious Apr 2014 #57

he told them how we spy on them arely staircase Apr 2014 #59

He Told The World How The USA Is Spying On All Countries - That Is Whistle Blowing cantbeserious Apr 2014 #61

no it isn't nt arely staircase Apr 2014 #62

Only In Your World - Most Of Us Are Grateful To Know How Corrupt The US Government Has Become cantbeserious Apr 2014 #64

do you disaprove of all US spying? arely staircase Apr 2014 #69

Many Disapprove What The NSA Has Become After 9/11 - Authorized By George Bush And Justified By John Yoo cantbeserious Apr 2014 #79

gotcha but what kind of spying should the US be doing? if any nt arely staircase Apr 2014 #82

You Gotcha Nothing cantbeserious Apr 2014 #87

so nothing. we should never spy on anyone ever arely staircase Apr 2014 #90

Ah The Rhetorical Putting Words In Others Mouths Approach cantbeserious Apr 2014 #95

I asked you what spying we should do and you wrote "nothing" arely staircase Apr 2014 #100

How Deep Down This NonSense Rabbit Hole Do You Want To Go - I Have Eternity - Do You cantbeserious Apr 2014 #104

what? nt arely staircase Apr 2014 #105

Right - What? cantbeserious Apr 2014 #106

You spy on your neighbors? GeorgeGist Apr 2014 #164

no, but then I am not a nation state nor being spied on myself arely staircase Apr 2014 #167

What happens at that University that could have an effect on national security of the US treestar Apr 2014 #65

"Comrade Eddie" Hissyspit Apr 2014 #85

Meh, I think it's funny treestar Apr 2014 #94

Channeling McCarthy won't win you any arguments here. BillZBubb Apr 2014 #125

Don't worry about it treestar Apr 2014 #145

He did not go to China. He shared the files with the POST.One of the media Snowden shared info with Sunlei Apr 2014 #74

he didn't go to China? nt arely staircase Apr 2014 #80

Kinda weird since everybody everywhere reported he went to China. MohRokTah Apr 2014 #92

Unrec for misleading headline. 840high Apr 2014 #78

George W. Bush gave the Chinese and the Russians one of our spy planes gratuitous Apr 2014 #84

Thanks for the Record of history, arely. They're getting sick of Cha Apr 2014 #86

It's amazing how bothered they are by that treestar Apr 2014 #96

For the record, Mi$$ RobMe and others of his ilk sold the Chinese our jobs. For profit. And of the jtuck004 Apr 2014 #89

He gave info to a newspaper. Like the Chinese don't already know their servers are being hacked. harun Apr 2014 #91

all old news huh? nothing to see here huh? arely staircase Apr 2014 #97

The 1950's called, they want their red scare name calling back. (n/t) harun Apr 2014 #170

the 40s called, they want Tokyo Rose back nt arely staircase Apr 2014 #184

The 1930's called, they want their whatever back. closeupready Apr 2014 #192

Good for him. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2014 #93

It wasn't just a university creeksneakers2 Apr 2014 #110

What the... Let me shove a little reality to your myopic view...most people know by now what I do Drew Richards Apr 2014 #98

sounds like a place we should have been hacking arely staircase Apr 2014 #103

I see what you did there bravo!...i agree but then again they already knew we are fighting back so Drew Richards Apr 2014 #107

There is a difference between them knowing we are trying and knowing we are succeeding. nt arely staircase Apr 2014 #108

You know the whole Cyber Command we built that everyone is upset about because the DIA has Drew Richards Apr 2014 #109

Again that would only be true if you pre-supposed they are stupid and dont know they have been Drew Richards Apr 2014 #111

well, regardless of which of us is right...and I will admitt you seem to know a lot more about arely staircase Apr 2014 #119

I totally understand how you feel...now let me blow your mind... Drew Richards Apr 2014 #123

I considered that in the early days. Could still be true. Unlikely, but now out of the question. nt arely staircase Apr 2014 #124

No shit, Sherlock... Democracyinkind Apr 2014 #115

so what was the point of telling them about it? nt arely staircase Apr 2014 #122

He was telling it to the Post, hence the audience was you, me and our Chinese equivalents. Democracyinkind Apr 2014 #133

Well if you tell the press you tell the Chinese government treestar Apr 2014 #146

Yes! Exactly!! Democracyinkind Apr 2014 #151

Whatever Comrade Snowden did... SoapBox Apr 2014 #117

So now it's the McCarthy-ite "Comrade" ad hominem BillZBubb Apr 2014 #121

Nyet comrade! We need no stinking McCarthy...we have the arts de politic of MAO-MAO Drew Richards Apr 2014 #130

This begs the question: which Mao? DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2014 #182

LOL OMG that was good...Grumpy kitty says there is only one MAO... Drew Richards Apr 2014 #183

As I read all these comments, one thing becomes clear WHEN CRABS ROAR Apr 2014 #139

Sadly true... BillZBubb Apr 2014 #156

WTF are you on about? For The Record: Snowden Gave Classified US Intel to Newspaper Readers cthulu2016 Apr 2014 #140

He should have incorperated first, Then he would only be looking at a fine. Nobel_Twaddle_III Apr 2014 #147

+1 nt arely staircase Apr 2014 #149

My heart bleeds for the poor, beleaguered, NSA and CIA. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2014 #148

I love how all these Edward Snowden hate threads elias49 Apr 2014 #153

It is certainly hard to understand the motivation of the Snowden attackers. BillZBubb Apr 2014 #157

because the only thing being discussed on DU arely staircase Apr 2014 #161

Emmanuel really is getting under your skin Fumesucker Apr 2014 #165

... arely staircase Apr 2014 #166

For the record Aerows Apr 2014 #173

Or... gcomeau Apr 2014 #176

In China Aerows Apr 2014 #178

HAIL HYDRA! whatchamacallit Apr 2014 #180

If that is your source Aerows Apr 2014 #187

my source is snowden arely staircase Apr 2014 #189

I have a question Aerows Apr 2014 #190

it is the name the agency gave me nt arely staircase Apr 2014 #193

K Cha Apr 2014 #188

At least he didn't give them our jobs. JEB Apr 2014 #191