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nadinbrzezinski

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13. At this point elections are secondary

Sun Apr 20, 2014, 01:36 PM

Apr 2014

truly secondary.

People need to do more than just "hold their elected officials accountable." That is part of it, but a minor part since they dance to other interests.

It is in the streets, it is in union halls, it is in retaking the means of propaganda (that is what our media is these days) It means a lot more than just voting.

And while I agree with this

We need to accept responsibility for the degree to which the problem is that we have abdicated our responsibility to participate in the democratic process, and correct that issue. We need, as you suggest, to quit complaining about what is wrong and get out of our armchairs and get involved in the governance of our nation.

It goes far beyond that. In fact, the power structure HOPES you do that, and then get frustrated as you realize the wave is hitting the shoals and just that.

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Why voting is not the end all to oligarchy [View all] nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 OP

One vote in one election, no, but democracy is the answer JayhawkSD Apr 2014 #1

How often are they held accountable sorefeet Apr 2014 #6

Democracy is dead. Fuddnik Apr 2014 #8

At this point elections are secondary nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #13

"Navel grazing?" Slim pickings in the average navel, MineralMan Apr 2014 #2

We're all just tiny sheeple. /nt pintobean Apr 2014 #4

I suppose so. However, voters certainly changed MineralMan Apr 2014 #5

So there's no oligarchy in MN? nt ChisolmTrailDem Apr 2014 #12

I'm not exactly sure what you mean by that question. MineralMan Apr 2014 #16

Thanks for the detailed response. It's good you guys are doing it right up there. We could ChisolmTrailDem Apr 2014 #17

Propaganda works tabasco Apr 2014 #3

The assumption that everything else in the system is rigged but our elections? Conspiracy Craziness HomerRamone Apr 2014 #7

Exactly, we cannot have everything else rigged nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #10

it goes hand-in-hand with the Cold-War-vintage notion that elections are a perfect MisterP Apr 2014 #9

I know, and source watch is one of my favorite oversight group nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #11

Whomever owns the assets owns your freedom. They never give them up on request, only demand. n/t jtuck004 Apr 2014 #14

Correct nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #15

kick, cause it matters nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #18

If it is a mistake to look for a single magic bullet that will solve our problems, it is equally struggle4progress Apr 2014 #19

It is not the answer because they generally select betterdemsonly Apr 2014 #20

This is why people need to retake local party apparatus nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #23

I work my ass off betterdemsonly Apr 2014 #28

That is why I said we, not I. nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #29

people tried to march against the banking oligarchy betterdemsonly Apr 2014 #30

It took two generations for the Gilded Age to come under control. nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #31

I most certainly won't be alive betterdemsonly Apr 2014 #32

I do not give up nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #33

My local ows turned into a bunch Alex Jones people betterdemsonly Apr 2014 #34

Well each group is different. nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #35

I try and try betterdemsonly Apr 2014 #36

Sit back, get a few books on the history of labor nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #37

Voting is the foundation, and your argument undermines it. gulliver Apr 2014 #21

My argument is based on history. nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #22

Voting changes nothing. Vashta Nerada Apr 2014 #24

And don't forget to vote for practice sake. nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #25

K&R'd! snot Apr 2014 #26

This message was self-deleted by its author snot Apr 2014 #27

As Trotsky wrote in "The History of the Russian Revolution".... socialist_n_TN Apr 2014 #38

And that is not unique to 1917 Russia, though it is a characteristic of the culture nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #42

Well, to be fair about it, this statement applied to..... socialist_n_TN Apr 2014 #43

K & R !!! WillyT Apr 2014 #39

"We retook it from robber barons" We had FDR. L0oniX Apr 2014 #40

FDR came at the tail end. nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #41