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Shouldn't that be followed by "AFAIK"? You don't know if it was accident or not. Tarheel_Dem Apr 2014 #1
Was the US government involved in this conspiracy? SolutionisSolidarity Apr 2014 #3
As has been pointed out, Snowie went missing a few days before he "surfaced" in Russia. Tarheel_Dem Apr 2014 #4
As opposed to you, who already knows... JackRiddler Apr 2014 #5
!!! Tarheel_Dem Apr 2014 #10
Thanks, Sen. McCarthy. JackRiddler Apr 2014 #11
You're welcome. Anytime! Tarheel_Dem Apr 2014 #34
McCarthy was an orator. JackRiddler Apr 2014 #49
Here's some more "electronic animation" for ya! Tarheel_Dem Apr 2014 #58
Well there's somebody who appears to be 100% convinced that Snowden was a Russian spy Number23 Apr 2014 #84
my, my flamingdem Apr 2014 #110
And who's in a better position to know Snowden's professional status than Vlad the Impaler? Tarheel_Dem Apr 2014 #120
Wouldn't a more likely translation be that he was saying that Snowden, working for the karynnj Apr 2014 #128
But that doesn't support the outlandish claims being made.. TroglodyteScholar Apr 2014 #133
Of course that is what he meant. Puglover Apr 2014 #142
That's entirely possible. But given the nature of what I've read about Snowden's position with the Number23 Apr 2014 #150
You are working too hard to parse this karynnj Apr 2014 #152
See my edit. Nothing I've read about Snowden's NSA position has ever even come close to equalling Number23 Apr 2014 #154
Not sure if you were aware, but Edward Snowden was in the (mostly subcontracted) employ of the NSA. DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2014 #143
...^ that 840high Apr 2014 #20
I am so sick of people falling for the character assasination of Edward Snowden& propaganda that's Rockyj Apr 2014 #141
the critics are outliers grasswire Apr 2014 #151
No, it shouldn't. It is a fact which apparently is known to the OP. The US Govt forced Snowden sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #44
Yup. And "50 million US households now watch RTTV"..... Tarheel_Dem Apr 2014 #55
Wrong, it's more than that now! That was years ago. Try to keep up! sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #60
Link? Tarheel_Dem Apr 2014 #63
she's right arely staircase Apr 2014 #67
I, and many others, have been waiting for a link since she made that ludicrous claim. Tarheel_Dem Apr 2014 #72
she won't give you a link, for obvious reasons arely staircase Apr 2014 #75
Ding! Ding! Ding! Tarheel_Dem Apr 2014 #78
Some people confuse RT with flamingdem Apr 2014 #112
!!! Tarheel_Dem Apr 2014 #122
tee hee TMZ not TZM I mean flamingdem Apr 2014 #126
You are conflating the amount of people who have the channel on their cable box with the amount who stevenleser Apr 2014 #89
Because he is a traitor and then wanted to stop him from moving to someplace else? theboss Apr 2014 #127
A traitor? Could you post some confirmation of that claim? A link to a conviction sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #129
I didn't realize this was a court of law theboss Apr 2014 #137
So he's not a traitor, that was just 'poo flinging'. Thank you, that clears things up. sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #138
Fact: She stole and disseminated classified data theboss Apr 2014 #139
Uh, no we don't. First Snowden is a HE not a SHE. sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #140
Alex....For $500... HipChick Apr 2014 #2
Snowden was probably moved by Putin's actions in this story Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 2014 #26
This ruins a perfectly good hate meme. nm rhett o rick Apr 2014 #6
I'm pretty sure that was the point :) Electric Monk Apr 2014 #8
The facts of this certainly ruined Republican Rep Rogers when he tried to push the lie that Snowden sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #48
Snowden's no "hero".. Cha Apr 2014 #64
lol@Terrorists AgingAmerican Apr 2014 #109
Yeah, think of all the terrorist attacks that he has enabled since the leaks progressoid Apr 2014 #134
Dude - don't you know that Snowden being a Russian spy is the ONE AND ONLY conspiracy djean111 Apr 2014 #7
I know it is crazy arely staircase Apr 2014 #40
"US secrets" - oh my stars! JackRiddler Apr 2014 #50
Of course it's crazy, which is why the only morons who have tried, and failed, to spread that lie sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #52
yeah he's the only one. every one else loves Snowden. nt arely staircase Apr 2014 #54
Uh, no, I already said he's not the only one. The far right almost unanimously want to believe. sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #62
How about he 'might be a US Spy that the US managed to force into Russia so he could sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #174
what I posted is not a CT arely staircase Apr 2014 #176
Thank you. Just want you to know that I appreciate your OP. scarletwoman Apr 2014 #9
Looks like the bat signal went out. They are here en masse. nt Mojorabbit Apr 2014 #36
Glad I hit a nerve. JackRiddler Apr 2014 #51
So that friendly meeting at the Russian consulate in Hong Kong never happened? Blue_Tires Apr 2014 #12
Would you expect him to travel through Russia... JackRiddler Apr 2014 #18
To be honest, I'd have expected him to already be where he wanted to defect to Blue_Tires Apr 2014 #24
I think he was. I also think he wasn't smart enough jeff47 Apr 2014 #35
HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Apr 2014 #13
Putin Admits Early Snowden Contact ProSense Apr 2014 #14
Let them stick to their little bullshit meme.. snowden fans need something to cling to Cha Apr 2014 #17
Excellent documentation. JackRiddler Apr 2014 #39
Ah...those, for Snowden-fans, inconvenient truths...OR... BlueCaliDem Apr 2014 #29
Some more good ones: Blue_Tires Apr 2014 #125
except he did Egnever Apr 2014 #15
Snowden needs a map then. With a beefy compass. Whisp Apr 2014 #16
Don't you love the "he didn't have a choice!!!111!11!" routine? Of course he had a choice. stevenleser Apr 2014 #19
He also chose to leak the info the way he did — publically brush Apr 2014 #53
Perhaps you have a map you can share? Capt. Obvious Apr 2014 #96
k/r 840high Apr 2014 #21
So you're saying Russia has made him a prisoner? randome Apr 2014 #22
This goes without saying, but the OP won't say it. joshcryer Apr 2014 #82
I need to add this to my list. randome Apr 2014 #104
So you are claiming that Snowden can exit Russia... ljm2002 Apr 2014 #165
"He's certainly not in a good position to criticize the Russian government..." ProSense Apr 2014 #23
Excellent quoting there... JackRiddler Apr 2014 #41
K&R bobduca Apr 2014 #25
LOL liberal N proud Apr 2014 #27
He must be getting use to the food by now. Historic NY Apr 2014 #28
IOW, Snowden tore his life apart without a plan BeyondGeography Apr 2014 #30
Do you take veterans seriously? JackRiddler Apr 2014 #42
Has a veteran ever wound up in Russia because he feared losing Internet access? BeyondGeography Apr 2014 #85
I forgot about that statement flamingdem Apr 2014 #114
Heroes generally do tear their own lives apart for the benefit of others. I'm not sure we here in sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #69
He should have thought of maintaining JackRiddler Apr 2014 #144
Yes, this country, imho, doesn't deserve people like him or Greenwald or anyone else who has sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #146
Sure he did. Igel Apr 2014 #31
Yes, you would have chosen the Hole over Moscow? JackRiddler Apr 2014 #43
American Prison vs. Russia. Maedhros Apr 2014 #47
No, he did not choose Russia... ljm2002 Apr 2014 #166
Good thing Snowden didn't hitch a ride with the President of Bolivia. stone space Apr 2014 #32
What was he waiting for? BklnDem75 Apr 2014 #33
Nonsense. Ecuador... JackRiddler Apr 2014 #45
so who made him go to China? arely staircase Apr 2014 #37
How do you know he didn't plan that path from the beginning? If he had, it wouldn't pnwmom Apr 2014 #38
O mi gahd! JackRiddler Apr 2014 #46
Right. And Russia has never manipulated Americans into spying. n/t pnwmom Apr 2014 #65
Why the insults? joshcryer Apr 2014 #83
Because OP knows the facts don't back up their memes. No one forced Snowden to do anything up stevenleser Apr 2014 #90
Russia was to have been a stopover... ljm2002 Apr 2014 #167
so who made him go to china? nt arely staircase Apr 2014 #177
Non-responsive. n/t ljm2002 Apr 2014 #183
it is quite relevant to your post. arely staircase Apr 2014 #185
Didn't you know? AgingAmerican Apr 2014 #113
That's Hannity level material AgingAmerican Apr 2014 #111
Strictly speaking, a passport is not required for international travel: struggle4progress Apr 2014 #56
Hong Kong had refused to turn him over to the US but made no offer to allow him to remain in Hong sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #66
You're not making any sense. There's simply no right to travel under the protection of the US struggle4progress Apr 2014 #70
He was not fleeing 'justice' he was fleeing INJUSTICE. See the US record on the sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #76
He was not fleeing 'justice' he was fleeing INJUSTICE. See the US record on the sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #76
Thank you for your continued efforts on this issue... ljm2002 Apr 2014 #169
Now now SFP treestar Apr 2014 #100
Hong Kong was the mistake. Not Russia. joshcryer Apr 2014 #81
He's made multiple mistakes, many of which seem to flow from his libertarian tendencies, struggle4progress Apr 2014 #87
The passport is not the main issue... ljm2002 Apr 2014 #168
Perhaps, but one thing for certain if that was so he would have gone to the country that he wanted lostincalifornia Apr 2014 #57
Ha. Vashta Nerada Apr 2014 #59
History was already written. JackRiddler Apr 2014 #61
Simple solution. Give him back his passport and let him go where he pleases. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2014 #68
Propose it to the State Department. JackRiddler Apr 2014 #71
He doesn't need a passport to enter any country that is willing to take him. pnwmom Apr 2014 #148
The US has not seized his passport: presumably he is still in possession of those papers. The US has struggle4progress Apr 2014 #74
Oh gee. 99Forever Apr 2014 #95
Hey, revocation only counts JackRiddler Apr 2014 #118
Why do I have about the same amount of ... 99Forever Apr 2014 #161
ironically the only country that would take him is the US. NT arely staircase Apr 2014 #79
Again the rules do no apply to him treestar Apr 2014 #93
Any of the countries that have offered him asylum could take him without pnwmom Apr 2014 #147
Sure, that would be easy as pie... ljm2002 Apr 2014 #170
It would be completely up to Russia and Venezuela, or whatever other pnwmom Apr 2014 #172
But the US seems to be able... ljm2002 Apr 2014 #182
And you think that the US spy system in Russia is so amazing pnwmom Apr 2014 #189
And you think the US government wouldn't try... ljm2002 Apr 2014 #190
I think the whole trip to Hong Kong was just a charade pnwmom Apr 2014 #191
It's your prerogative to think that, of course... ljm2002 Apr 2014 #192
I have as much evidence as you do for your theory. pnwmom Apr 2014 #193
What, exactly, is "my theory"?? ljm2002 Apr 2014 #194
I'm pretty sure he did choose. Drunken Irishman Apr 2014 #73
There are five to ten decisions he chose to make that got him where he is. All choices. stevenleser Apr 2014 #92
True, he could have kept domestic spying a secret AgingAmerican Apr 2014 #115
Some level of domestic spying was known, was it not? I take it you knew about FISA before this? stevenleser Apr 2014 #124
Hi Steve DURHAM D Apr 2014 #179
I knew it happened under Bush, yes AgingAmerican Apr 2014 #201
FISA has been on the books since Carter. And we don't know one way or the other stevenleser Apr 2014 #202
I think this is obvious. joshcryer Apr 2014 #80
So much mixing up of reality and your speculation! JackRiddler Apr 2014 #97
I say there may have been. joshcryer Apr 2014 #149
As if you'd ever contemplate doing anything so courageous. JackRiddler Apr 2014 #155
You don't know me or my activism. joshcryer Apr 2014 #158
I see how you treat this case. JackRiddler Apr 2014 #164
What contempt? joshcryer Apr 2014 #173
and in other news the moon is made of cheese! whistler162 Apr 2014 #86
Except he did...nt SidDithers Apr 2014 #88
Yes he did treestar Apr 2014 #91
O/U for :rofl: emoticons on this thread is 27.5 Capt. Obvious Apr 2014 #94
What's O/U? JackRiddler Apr 2014 #98
Over/Under - a gambling term Capt. Obvious Apr 2014 #99
Oh of course! Sorry... JackRiddler Apr 2014 #101
God that is brilliant. Puglover Apr 2014 #135
I thought about suggesting it in ATA a long time ago Capt. Obvious Apr 2014 #136
But then we would never ever see Sid again... DU's best writer Dragonfli Apr 2014 #204
There are nine including two by you and one by Jack Riddler. Guess you were wrong. nt stevenleser Apr 2014 #199
The truth. 99Forever Apr 2014 #102
I don't buy it. MohRokTah Apr 2014 #103
Recommend... KoKo Apr 2014 #105
If Ecuador wants him and he wants to go, their embassy could issue him travel documents. tarheelsunc Apr 2014 #106
Even after the Bolivia thing ? jakeXT Apr 2014 #107
There's no way for the US to know who is on an Aeroflot plane flamingdem Apr 2014 #119
But that's not the story we want to believe! randome Apr 2014 #121
Every bit of imperialism has its excuse. JackRiddler Apr 2014 #145
"was never proven to be an operation"... ljm2002 Apr 2014 #171
There was never solid proof. Evo used it as an opportunity flamingdem Apr 2014 #187
"Nothing to see here"... ljm2002 Apr 2014 #188
This was already litigated on DU flamingdem Apr 2014 #195
We agree on one thing... ljm2002 Apr 2014 #196
In other words you have done no research flamingdem Apr 2014 #198
What a steaming, condescending load... n/t ljm2002 Apr 2014 #200
Yes, he was parked there by the US, the question is why /nt jakeXT Apr 2014 #108
Good question. JackRiddler Apr 2014 #116
He was able to leave via Cuba to Ecuador or Venezuela flamingdem Apr 2014 #117
If Snowden wanted to go to South America Adrahil Apr 2014 #197
He's trapped in Russia isn't he? nilesobek Apr 2014 #123
Oh Oh... bvar22 Apr 2014 #130
I tried to "Like" your post! JackRiddler Apr 2014 #131
When Putin is done with him he will be sent to a country willing to take him. NCTraveler Apr 2014 #132
there you go again... grasswire Apr 2014 #153
With Putins latest little play with Snowden.... NCTraveler Apr 2014 #180
"...no one at this point can see it any other way." 99Forever Apr 2014 #181
If you do a search you will find there are flights from Hawaii to Ecuador, there was not any need Thinkingabout Apr 2014 #156
Arrrrrrrrrgh get the story straight... JackRiddler Apr 2014 #157
Arrrrrrrrrgh get the story straight Thinkingabout Apr 2014 #159
Yeah, he should have flown from HK to Ecuador via Hawaii. JackRiddler Apr 2014 #160
He had already outed himself before he flew to Moscow. Thinkingabout Apr 2014 #162
Where do these talking points come from? JackRiddler Apr 2014 #163
Simple, Snowden has put himself where he is, his choice, he may not have thought Thinkingabout Apr 2014 #178
He made his bed, he can lay on it. Beacool Apr 2014 #175
Well said. nt Zorra Apr 2014 #184
But his girlfriend danced on a pole! DirkGently Apr 2014 #186
oops bump JackRiddler Apr 2014 #203
& oops bump JackRiddler May 2014 #205
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