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VanillaRhapsody

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53. that was Branch Davidians....

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WTF Is Going On At Bundy Ranch? Video of Dangerous Standoff With Authorities. Snipers too! [View all] Skip Intro Apr 2014 OP

Illegal grazing on Federal lands Spider Jerusalem Apr 2014 #1

Haven't they been grazing on the land for 200 years? yeoman6987 Apr 2014 #62

No-one has been doing anything there for 200 years. Spider Jerusalem Apr 2014 #72

So if Bundy gets to take over that public land what is stopping my family (Native Americans) from jwirr Apr 2014 #110

I 'm pretty sure it has to do with grazing rights for his cattle oneofthe99 Apr 2014 #2

There should be some clear documentation of who owns the land. Doesn't make sense to me. Skip Intro Apr 2014 #4

It's public land to which his permit to graze was revoked 21 years ago, FWIU. Gravitycollapse Apr 2014 #7

Yup , I remember reading that , he was allowed before oneofthe99 Apr 2014 #9

Hey I just wanted to tell you at first I read your thread title quickly and I oneofthe99 Apr 2014 #11

Well, now I want to know that too... Skip Intro Apr 2014 #15

There's clear documentation of who owns the Gaze Strip, too! The Bible! randome Apr 2014 #32

It is scrub land and it takes quite a lot of it to support one cow Warpy Apr 2014 #54

The point about the drought is very good. A lot of SW ranchers are selling their cattle because the jwirr Apr 2014 #111

And they finally took some action 2naSalit Apr 2014 #3

What he's been doing is blatantly illegal. But the police presence seems over the top. Gravitycollapse Apr 2014 #5

Try reading this... 2naSalit Apr 2014 #14

That's basically what I figured. He's been making threats. Gravitycollapse Apr 2014 #17

he's been making threats 2naSalit Apr 2014 #21

Yeah, I'm not so happy about those. beevul Apr 2014 #23

Well 2naSalit Apr 2014 #30

"First Amendment Zones" are the "best thing to do." What? Skip Intro Apr 2014 #52

Yeah...no tkmorris Apr 2014 #59

Not my point 2naSalit Apr 2014 #151

Wow, you must read some crazy wingnut sources if thats what you picked up. LeftyMom Apr 2014 #6

Yeah, I noticed this is making the rounds at infowars. Gravitycollapse Apr 2014 #8

yep. sounds like the feds & atf are gonna have to go in there orleans Apr 2014 #16

I would not put that outside the realm of possibility. Although, as with the Branch Davidians... Gravitycollapse Apr 2014 #19

that was Branch Davidians.... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #53

Sorry that was a typo. Gravitycollapse Apr 2014 #153

I am not particularly sure that Julio (?) Gonzalez was handled right either. yeoman6987 Apr 2014 #64

"target of the state"? You mean like every other person ever arrested for breaking the law? hedgehog Apr 2014 #85

Well, given that militias everywhere are using this story as an excuse to start a civil war Downtown Hound Apr 2014 #76

Friends, co-workers, family - I get stuff. Skip Intro Apr 2014 #12

No. He's in direct violation of a court order jberryhill Apr 2014 #78

Bunch of wingnuts are fighting with cops Egnever Apr 2014 #10

Didn't realize it had been through the courts. That makes a big difference. n/t Skip Intro Apr 2014 #13

It's been ongoing for years now Egnever Apr 2014 #18

Bundy is the last rancher standing. Funny, he has no rights but if one has snappyturtle Apr 2014 #38

Yea cause his refusal to pay his fees had nothing to do with it. Egnever Apr 2014 #47

It isn't about the fees either. I spent a lot of time yesterday afternoon snappyturtle Apr 2014 #84

"Agenda 21"? You say that like that's a bad thing - hedgehog Apr 2014 #87

Sounds perfect, I know. Watch the best explanation of Agenda 21: snappyturtle Apr 2014 #105

I followed your link to the source - hedgehog Apr 2014 #117

Source? This is ONE youtube channel....this video is other places too. snappyturtle Apr 2014 #121

RW lunatics on YouTube seem to be dumbing down America maddezmom Apr 2014 #123

Its easy to knock down the messenger or cognitive dissonance has set in. snappyturtle Apr 2014 #131

What pings my radar are the people who are defending this asshat maddezmom Apr 2014 #137

Thank you. jwirr Apr 2014 #125

Baloney, it's about a trespassing welfare king refusing to obey the law. MohRokTah Apr 2014 #91

Clark county is controlled by their 'unincorporated Clark County' casino companies. Sunlei Apr 2014 #94

Thank you. nt snappyturtle Apr 2014 #102

Bundy leased the land for years, and now thinks he owns it CanonRay Apr 2014 #96

It's still federal land, and Bundy owes more than 20 years of grazing fees on it. Paladin Apr 2014 #99

What took the government (BLM) so long? 20 years! The time is right for putting snappyturtle Apr 2014 #103

Never too late. Most of the 20 years were controlled by rw politicians. jwirr Apr 2014 #130

even if he is a RW rancher /w a sense of entitlement to our public lands..He still has the right to Sunlei Apr 2014 #107

And of course this has nothing to do with the drought conditions in both areas? By the way please jwirr Apr 2014 #120

More to the story. Thanks. n/t Skip Intro Apr 2014 #50

Thanks for the link Renew Deal Apr 2014 #26

1993? Sheesh, good thing BLM has been right on top of this . . . hatrack Apr 2014 #29

Thank you. The aerial cattle count explains what the rw are talking about helicopters being used jwirr Apr 2014 #112

I don't know a lot about this, Blue_In_AK Apr 2014 #146

He is a soverign citizen.. gerogie2 Apr 2014 #20

Oh he made more than veiled threats 2naSalit Apr 2014 #22

Yes, Sovereign Citizen Nutjob Leith Apr 2014 #34

Looks like a bunch of idiot rednecks attacking police RandiFan1290 Apr 2014 #24

Attacking police? Armed with cameras and cell phones; avoided Free snappyturtle Apr 2014 #104

Our Gov charges some very cheap rate, its like 1.50 a month to graze on our public lands. Sunlei Apr 2014 #25

Puts it in perspective n/t rumdude Apr 2014 #49

Bundy's ranch area is 578,000+ acres. nt snappyturtle Apr 2014 #106

Twenty fucking years he's been breaking the law Nevernose Apr 2014 #27

Those cops don't look prepared for the action they're seeing. Renew Deal Apr 2014 #28

It's government land. He does not have a permit to graze his cattle on it. Autumn Apr 2014 #31

I think that they've been recalcitrant in paying fees for use of BLM land. NYC_SKP Apr 2014 #33

Snort, doesn't appear as though they eva wanna pay. They appear to believe they are owed more than lonestarnot Apr 2014 #98

Jerks. (n/t) Iggo Apr 2014 #35

Reacting in a violent way doesn't help the situation… Amaya Apr 2014 #36

21years? How much longer should the Feds wait? nt Logical Apr 2014 #63

Another teabagging asshole and his buddies Tsiyu Apr 2014 #37

The Bundys have a ranch?! KamaAina Apr 2014 #39

exactly what I was thinking when PCIntern Apr 2014 #41

Cattle interfering with Chinese(?) solar farm deal? ManiacJoe Apr 2014 #40

Solar farm? Wow. From your link: Skip Intro Apr 2014 #44

No it really doesnt Egnever Apr 2014 #57

" . . . are in the way of some solar farm investment?" siligut Apr 2014 #135

That deal is dead maddezmom Apr 2014 #138

Solar power more expensive than fossil-fuel? siligut Apr 2014 #141

no cattle have been there for decades CreekDog Apr 2014 #158

There is no China deal MohRokTah Apr 2014 #93

Cordon off the area, sit back and let them stew in the heat under their tinfoil hats Ex Lurker Apr 2014 #42

Is it just me or does it seem like the government puts on the kid gloves for violent right wingers? Taitertots Apr 2014 #43

Should they just mow them down? n/t Skip Intro Apr 2014 #45

No, but they should probably arrest the guy that is kicking police dogs. Taitertots Apr 2014 #97

Kicking police dogs KansDem Apr 2014 #139

It's pretty simple, Wingnutjobs itching for a civil war are trying to provoke violent encounter. MohRokTah Apr 2014 #46

a fantasy based persecution rumdude Apr 2014 #48

He gave out and posted his phone number. VScott Apr 2014 #51

Southern Poverty Law Center information about Cliven Bundy, right wing extremist csziggy Apr 2014 #55

I think there might be more to it. n/t Skip Intro Apr 2014 #56

Why? Egnever Apr 2014 #58

Because others are saying the family has claim to the land. Skip Intro Apr 2014 #65

No credible others are Egnever Apr 2014 #66

I'm not sure that's true. Skip Intro Apr 2014 #67

You seriously buy into the idea this is about solar panels? Egnever Apr 2014 #68

Dude... Skip Intro Apr 2014 #69

It isn't suddenly actionable Egnever Apr 2014 #71

Heres the recent ruling Egnever Apr 2014 #73

Care to share your sources to what others are saying? maddezmom Apr 2014 #86

Sources? Read the thread. Click the links. Skip Intro Apr 2014 #100

It means he is trespassing and has been for a long time maddezmom Apr 2014 #101

You bet it factors in. Bundy has been his own worst enemy. He's making it snappyturtle Apr 2014 #108

Here is an article linking the Reid's to the solar plant land grab: snappyturtle Apr 2014 #115

But that deal is dead and it isn't even in the same area maddezmom Apr 2014 #119

Thanks for this but....I thought it was a different area too until..... snappyturtle Apr 2014 #126

You seem to have your mind made up. maddezmom Apr 2014 #129

Oh, I wouldn't say that! I know Bundy has not paid up and has put himself in snappyturtle Apr 2014 #134

Why now? Because BLM was going to be sued to enforce previous court decisions maddezmom Apr 2014 #136

I'm sorry but this is almost laughable. The BLM has neglected its 'duty' UNTIL snappyturtle Apr 2014 #144

Okay. So I will go a bit further....the RW wants the land use issue to be a state issue not federal maddezmom Apr 2014 #147

Here is a link to a some good Q&A's maddezmom Apr 2014 #140

I will read all your link but I have to take a break from reading...anterior uveitis... snappyturtle Apr 2014 #148

I believe it is only to 3000 feet as to not interfer with BLM helicopters maddezmom Apr 2014 #150

Been to federal court twice LynnTTT Apr 2014 #92

In what way? BLM, the courts, the SPLC, law enforcement, and other sources csziggy Apr 2014 #60

Yeah, but there's more to it! Kingofalldems Apr 2014 #79

Awesome post... Skip Intro Apr 2014 #81

! csziggy Apr 2014 #82

Please tell us more.... Cali_Democrat Apr 2014 #61

the tactic is not good tiny elvis Apr 2014 #70

"it got a little pushy-dog bitey " Skip Intro Apr 2014 #74

uh huh Jim Warren Apr 2014 #75

WTF is a "First Amendment Area" ???? Did BLM actually designate a 1st amendment area? Isn't kelly1mm Apr 2014 #77

The BLM doesn't want photos of their round-ups because a lot of animals are run to death. Sunlei Apr 2014 #88

Here is a link to the Federal Register. It consists of two pages regarding the snappyturtle Apr 2014 #118

Ok just so I understand this, BLM has closed a part of the public lands, and set aside kelly1mm Apr 2014 #143

I know....and now a no fly zone posted at the FAA over the Bundy area: snappyturtle Apr 2014 #149

here's a pretty good summary DrDan Apr 2014 #80

Rightwingnuts trying to provoke a violent comfrontation. 99Forever Apr 2014 #83

Waco Puzzledtraveller Apr 2014 #89

round up his cattle rdking647 Apr 2014 #90

Those socialist cows could feed a lot of homeless folks. nt adirondacker Apr 2014 #95

Well said. Louisiana1976 Apr 2014 #152

Been in their family for generations - NO. Public land they have rented for a long time but then jwirr Apr 2014 #109

I think they're also trying to instigate another "Ruby Ridge". GoCubsGo Apr 2014 #113

Yes, but if they succeed I have already said that I will not blame law enforcement. That land does jwirr Apr 2014 #114

You won't blame them, and I won't blame them. GoCubsGo Apr 2014 #116

I hear you. I am hoping that the BLM has cautioned the officers regarding the political implications jwirr Apr 2014 #122

I'm sure they have. GoCubsGo Apr 2014 #127

BREAKING NEWS: Major development in Bunkerville cattle battle pinboy3niner Apr 2014 #128

They keep saying Bundy ranch. Does he own land he is calling his ranch or are they calling the jwirr Apr 2014 #132

RWNJBS. n/t librechik Apr 2014 #124

4/11/14 the Federal DOI/BLM had FFA declare the ranch area a "No Fly Zone" Sunlei Apr 2014 #133

Yo, 3000 feet up is the no-fly zone MohRokTah Apr 2014 #142

BLM stopped the round-up today, when " Hundreds of people arrived". Sunlei Apr 2014 #154

They et armed terrorists win. eom MohRokTah Apr 2014 #155

Oh, reminds me of Chicago, summer 2012 WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2014 #145

Eyes steady Jim Warren Apr 2014 #156

It's pretty insance Tassadar Apr 2014 #157