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Tue Mar 27, 2012, 02:26 AM

101. jus sanguinis was part of established English law at the time

Under English law, people born to a father who was the king's subject was a "natural born" subject even if he was born outside the king's realm. That had been true for centuries by the drafting of the constitution. I think the act of 1790 also illuminates the framer's intent, since many of the framers were in that first congress and since the term natural born citizen had never been explicitly defined in U.S. law prior to that. I don't see any distinction in "natural born" between that which is bestowed by blood or by geography. I don't buy the arguments that the distinction holds weight wrt "natural born." Naturalization is a process which by definition confers citizenship to someone who was not a citizen at birth.

"Minority of framers wanted jus sanguinis, outvoted"

I'm not sure that's accurate, and at any rate it still doesn't specify jus soli in the finished document. But Congress had the authority to determine citizenship, and in the very first congress they defined natural born citizen to include jus sanguinis.

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