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In reply to the discussion: Managing Privilege [View all]Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #159)
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Like it, but I wish the stuff under 1 was just added to the stuff under 2.
Gidney N Cloyd
Mar 2014
#2
well, one has to stop talking before one can listen. too many people decide to jump in guns blazing
geek tragedy
Mar 2014
#20
Now, we just need someone to KICK this with their evening adult beverage of choice. eom.
1StrongBlackMan
Mar 2014
#21
Its not a beverage I prefer, but before I "mellow and reflect" on my day and in my own way...
Anansi1171
Mar 2014
#29
11 PM west coast time. Not sure about the drink, unless you call Ensure an adult beverage... n/t
freshwest
Mar 2014
#294
So you're taking a position that racism in America is not systemic and institutional, right?
MrScorpio
Mar 2014
#45
If you read early on, you'll notice that I said that POCs can exhibit prejudice or bigotry
MrScorpio
Mar 2014
#48
So if Farrakhan and Kambon are bigoted to one White person, they're bigoted to all White people?
MrScorpio
Mar 2014
#60
"None." is the correct answer, which is precisely why they can't possible BE racist in America.
MrScorpio
Mar 2014
#78
"It's not a difficult concept to understand." Wasn't difficult to debunk, either.
AverageJoe90
Mar 2014
#79
As far as I'm concerned, they're confusing racism with bigotry and prejudice as well
MrScorpio
Mar 2014
#81
"only to expose (if he were honest) that his own definition doesn't work for him."
AverageJoe90
Mar 2014
#192
"Japanese people living in this country can't be racist." I'm sorry, but that is PURE baloney.
AverageJoe90
Mar 2014
#83
*Some* People of Color may. Certainly not all, though. Not even a majority.
AverageJoe90
Mar 2014
#91
Speaking for the majority of "people of color" now are we….maybe you should read the OP again?
bettyellen
Mar 2014
#93
Seems you want to elevate personal bigotry as a concern higher than systemic racism?
bettyellen
Mar 2014
#97
"Seems you want to elevate personal bigotry as a concern higher than systemic racism?" Not at all.
AverageJoe90
Mar 2014
#106
It seems you didn't learn a single thing from the OP-w/your OT about personal bigotry against white
bettyellen
Mar 2014
#107
"It's a Fox News talking point but not very convincing." How bloody ironic that is.....
AverageJoe90
Mar 2014
#112
"I am not in a small "fringe" of people" Yes, you are. No matter how many friends you claim to have.
AverageJoe90
Mar 2014
#118
Hold up- you haven't realized it's YOU with the fringe opinion here? Seriously?
bettyellen
Mar 2014
#152
this is the kind of "nuance" that informs the teabagger woldview, and it is not mainstream liberal
bettyellen
Mar 2014
#182
Your opinion seems to quite strongly color your interpretation of what I have said.
AverageJoe90
Mar 2014
#183
"since you think you know better than every African American on DU". Not true.
AverageJoe90
Mar 2014
#191
all this boils down to is you want to use the words bigot and racist interchanagably....
bettyellen
Mar 2014
#219
What you seem to ignore is that if you have a minority opinion you must change it.
AngryAmish
Mar 2014
#247
Poor baby - so opressed by liberal group think! Maybe the PC police will come visit him, LOL.
bettyellen
Mar 2014
#260
your arguments are completely based on an non-issue, i.e. "kinda rare", yet you persist.
bettyellen
Mar 2014
#151
Yep, it's a completely selfish POV, that so easily dismisses the knowledge and experiences of
bettyellen
Mar 2014
#261
Hell yes, we see folk here who have absolutely no knowledge or experience with the stuggles of
bettyellen
Mar 2014
#265
I came across the sexist version of this crap working in local politics, it was hard for me to see
bettyellen
Mar 2014
#277
It is a game of "me first", and I keep saying "what about someone else?" I think part of the reason
bettyellen
Mar 2014
#287
yep, I worked with one exceptional personal who was radically different, truly open minded.....
bettyellen
Mar 2014
#289
Yes, because he would have no social, political or economic advantages there n/t
eridani
Mar 2014
#100
Absolutely not. Because that's not how non-structural versions of racism work. nt
AverageJoe90
Mar 2014
#194
Can't argue with that, at least. I just wish it had been done better, that's all. nt
AverageJoe90
Mar 2014
#50
Finally, the perfect mix of sanctimony and self-congratulatory gallantry.
Dreamer Tatum
Mar 2014
#28
There was absolutely nothing about the graphic that suggested you should hate yourself.
Heidi
Mar 2014
#31
Many people who enjoy martyring themselves for fun often infer self-hatred from where none exists...
LanternWaste
Mar 2014
#144
It's a term used for people who identify themselves by their outward gender appearance
MrScorpio
Mar 2014
#38
Except the one lone person at the bottom of your own theoretical totem pole? And how does that
bettyellen
Mar 2014
#103
Interesting opinion... will certainly give it all the consideration it's actually worth.
LanternWaste
Mar 2014
#145
What is your point - exactly why is it important in terms of this discussion?
bettyellen
Mar 2014
#153
it's not a "point" unless you establish it's actually relevant here. It appears you cannot.
bettyellen
Mar 2014
#161
That's poking fun at the people who DON'T GET IT, not at people who have privilege.
cyberswede
Mar 2014
#180
The "them" is white people, collectively, in society. Regardless of individual situation.
cyberswede
Mar 2014
#258
As long as we never have to talk about CLASS, the PTB approve of this message. nt
Romulox
Mar 2014
#121
There's nothing in the graphic that excludes any discussion about class privilege
MrScorpio
Mar 2014
#122
LOL. First off is to even acknowledge the concept. That is rarely done, and this isn't the first
Romulox
Mar 2014
#128
Uh-huh. It sounds like you'd like to have a respectful exchange on the matter.
Romulox
Mar 2014
#138
What an odd statement. "Class" applies to People of Color as well. Things that benefit the lower
Romulox
Mar 2014
#255
The graphic IS missing a HUGE part of the discussion. And I believe it's not an accident.
Romulox
Mar 2014
#248
So, do you think that class privilege trumps race, gender or sexual orientation privilege? nt
MrScorpio
Mar 2014
#250
Nope. I think they work concurrently and reinforce one another. Like I've said all along. nt
Romulox
Mar 2014
#252
Bullshit. I never said anything like that. I said "privilege" should include class.
Romulox
Mar 2014
#137
And class is central in the same way. That wasn't expressed in the cartoon. nt
Romulox
Mar 2014
#142
Again, this is a discussion of *privilege*, and therefore a discussion of class is appropriate.
Romulox
Mar 2014
#146
This thread is about *PRIVILEGE*. It is appropriate to discuss class privilege here.
Romulox
Mar 2014
#148
Please re-read Point 1, re: dominating the discussion and dictating the language, etc. eom.
1StrongBlackMan
Mar 2014
#159
Yep. Controlling the narrative about others' experiences, or feeling entitled to control it,
Heidi
Mar 2014
#162
Unfortunately, the majority of the controlling of the narrative in this case.....
AverageJoe90
Mar 2014
#207
" But i have been reading you dominate this entire thread." A significant number of comments.....
AverageJoe90
Mar 2014
#215
This thread is about PRIVILEGE. Is it dominated by voices of the lower class? I think not.
Romulox
Mar 2014
#249
whatever class you are in will ALSO be effected by your gender, race, orientation etc....
VanillaRhapsody
Mar 2014
#229
And whatever race you are, you will ALSO be affected by class. Where is the contradiction or
Romulox
Mar 2014
#253
and more adversely so if you are a woman and or a minority and or homosexual.....
VanillaRhapsody
Mar 2014
#262
How come you think white people should get to do all the talking about Racism?
bravenak
Mar 2014
#201
"You're the one that knows more about racism than black people." Never implied such.
AverageJoe90
Mar 2014
#214
You are trying to do all the talking and all the deciding. And you come from a place of privilege.
bravenak
Mar 2014
#216
Oh, yeah. I'm just sure that one is a lifelong "democrat". I don't believe he's got a grandmother,
Squinch
Mar 2014
#185
Wait until he finds out that some of the people who work at the nursing home
Capt. Obvious
Mar 2014
#189
apparently there are parts of that choir that still need some preaching to...
VanillaRhapsody
Mar 2014
#233
"White men of all classes benefit from a system based on racial and gender inequality."
Number23
Mar 2014
#228
It is a truth that makes them very uncomfortable. That it has been slowly slipping away is why so
bettyellen
Mar 2014
#266