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AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
46. That's not what I said. At all.
Sat Mar 15, 2014, 08:50 PM
Mar 2014

What I (*clearly*, mind you!) said was, yes, *institutional* racism does remain a problem in this country, nor did I deny that it in particular does not affect white people due to its nature. However, though, intrapersonal racism, while it does indeed tie into the former, is not the same thing: People of Color can be racist on a personal level as well(though again, it is quite a bit rarer than racism coming from "white" folks).

And furthermore, this:

"

Is that what you're saying?

And you're also saying that, because you believe that Blacks or other people of color can somehow exert some kind of racialized cultural advantage over Whites… Am I getting this straight?

If this is what you're saying, perhaps you can cite what institutions in this country place the status of POCs over that of Whites. "


Honestly shows that, once again, you missed the point I was making. There remains a real issue with remnants of institutional racism in this country. Very few people here will argue against that. However, though, this position of "only whites can be racist" is not only nonsensical & totally illogical, but can even come across as prejudiced(and even racist) in some contexts. Now, to be fair, I am *not* accusing you, yourself, of doing that, just so you understand. But it does happen. And on the occasion it does become hurtful, I will speak up; I'm sure that many others, regardless of their ethnicity, would do the same.
Managing Privilege [View all] MrScorpio Mar 2014 OP
this could be pinned to the top of a few places around here Kali Mar 2014 #1
Like it, but I wish the stuff under 1 was just added to the stuff under 2. Gidney N Cloyd Mar 2014 #2
I'm sure you understand that I appreciate the power of "Shut the fuck up…" MrScorpio Mar 2014 #3
There's not a lot I understand around here. Gidney N Cloyd Mar 2014 #5
I agree. Well stated. AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #9
STFU is a part of it gollygee Mar 2014 #10
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2014 #61
Oh the poor, abused straight, white male… My heart bleeds for your dismay MrScorpio Mar 2014 #67
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2014 #69
+1 freshwest Mar 2014 #292
well, one has to stop talking before one can listen. too many people decide to jump in guns blazing geek tragedy Mar 2014 #20
Yes, It's a form of a monologue. Not a dialogue. n/t freshwest Mar 2014 #293
Mr. Scorpio, you are to be commended brush Mar 2014 #4
Damn good job Mr. scorpio! bravenak Mar 2014 #6
I'm KICKING this each and everyday ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #7
I'm kicking it with my afternoon tea. Heidi Mar 2014 #17
Now, we just need someone to KICK this with their evening adult beverage of choice. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #21
Hmmm... Heidi Mar 2014 #22
Its not a beverage I prefer, but before I "mellow and reflect" on my day and in my own way... Anansi1171 Mar 2014 #29
Your turn to kick it! Heidi Mar 2014 #90
11 PM west coast time. Not sure about the drink, unless you call Ensure an adult beverage... n/t freshwest Mar 2014 #294
I'm kicking it with my morning java. Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2014 #23
Morning', sunshine! Heidi Mar 2014 #24
and ... Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2014 #25
Here's a recipe. Heidi Mar 2014 #26
I never knew it by that name but, I have eaten this many times. Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2014 #27
:yum: Heidi Mar 2014 #30
CMW is a lucky man !! Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2014 #32
There are various kinds of speck. Heidi Mar 2014 #33
That sounds wonderfully delicious. Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2014 #35
You know, Heidi, that sounds pretty darn good. AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #205
Leather Britches title to one of my favorite fiddle tunes.. 2banon Mar 2014 #64
Tuesday Morning Privilege Kick for JustAnotherGen Mar 2014 #244
This is decent, but there are also some flaws. AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #8
#1 ties into the last panel... MrScorpio Mar 2014 #11
I'm afraid that you've missed my point here(no offense, but.....). AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #12
Well, Joe, this is where there's a problem. MrScorpio Mar 2014 #13
And you miss the point again. AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #14
Funny you should mention Manning... MrScorpio Mar 2014 #40
On reverse racism.....I don't believe in it. AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #44
So you're taking a position that racism in America is not systemic and institutional, right? MrScorpio Mar 2014 #45
That's not what I said. At all. AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #46
If you read early on, you'll notice that I said that POCs can exhibit prejudice or bigotry MrScorpio Mar 2014 #48
Still doesn't disprove my point, TBH. Not at all. AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #49
Alright, then consider this: MrScorpio Mar 2014 #57
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2014 #58
So if Farrakhan and Kambon are bigoted to one White person, they're bigoted to all White people? MrScorpio Mar 2014 #60
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Well then, why are subjecting yourself to this abuse? MrScorpio Mar 2014 #68
"The Powah"? Really dude...really??? U4ikLefty Mar 2014 #70
He's gone now. MrScorpio Mar 2014 #71
Your OP is like flypaper Cirque du So-What Mar 2014 #72
I alerted to one too gollygee Mar 2014 #86
Oh thank goodness. U4ikLefty Mar 2014 #73
Yeah, this guy seems like he was a fucking idiot, TBH..... AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #209
You're not getting it, still. AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #77
"None." is the correct answer, which is precisely why they can't possible BE racist in America. MrScorpio Mar 2014 #78
"It's not a difficult concept to understand." Wasn't difficult to debunk, either. AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #79
As far as I'm concerned, they're confusing racism with bigotry and prejudice as well MrScorpio Mar 2014 #81
"The terms have become muddled." Yes, but not by who you think! AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #82
Well, lookie here... MrScorpio Mar 2014 #84
You have handled yourself well in the above dialogue, Bravo ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #184
"only to expose (if he were honest) that his own definition doesn't work for him." AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #192
No ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #196
"In this country" is a pretty critical distinction here eridani Mar 2014 #62
That is correct MrScorpio Mar 2014 #63
"Japanese people living in this country can't be racist." I'm sorry, but that is PURE baloney. AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #83
A woman who teaches anti-racism seminars gollygee Mar 2014 #87
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*Some* People of Color may. Certainly not all, though. Not even a majority. AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #91
Speaking for the majority of "people of color" now are we….maybe you should read the OP again? bettyellen Mar 2014 #93
Speaking from personal experience. AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #95
Seems you want to elevate personal bigotry as a concern higher than systemic racism? bettyellen Mar 2014 #97
"Seems you want to elevate personal bigotry as a concern higher than systemic racism?" Not at all. AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #106
It seems you didn't learn a single thing from the OP-w/your OT about personal bigotry against white bettyellen Mar 2014 #107
"It is a handy life skill- not imagining everything is about me me me." AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #108
You like to make claims about what most people think. gollygee Mar 2014 #110
"It's a Fox News talking point but not very convincing." How bloody ironic that is..... AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #112
Nobody said that black people are angry at all white people gollygee Mar 2014 #113
You are REALLY missing the point. AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #114
I am not in a small "fringe" of people gollygee Mar 2014 #117
"I am not in a small "fringe" of people" Yes, you are. No matter how many friends you claim to have. AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #118
Hold up- you haven't realized it's YOU with the fringe opinion here? Seriously? bettyellen Mar 2014 #152
Because it's true. AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #170
this is the kind of "nuance" that informs the teabagger woldview, and it is not mainstream liberal bettyellen Mar 2014 #182
Your opinion seems to quite strongly color your interpretation of what I have said. AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #183
oh dear, you really need this OP more than anyone here, LOL. bettyellen Mar 2014 #188
"since you think you know better than every African American on DU". Not true. AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #191
It's true… You should apologize MrScorpio Mar 2014 #198
I'm afraid there's really nothing else to say. AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #202
If I said it once, I've said it fifty times... MrScorpio Mar 2014 #217
all this boils down to is you want to use the words bigot and racist interchanagably.... bettyellen Mar 2014 #219
You still going at it? Wow. AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #241
What you seem to ignore is that if you have a minority opinion you must change it. AngryAmish Mar 2014 #247
Poor baby - so opressed by liberal group think! Maybe the PC police will come visit him, LOL. bettyellen Mar 2014 #260
your arguments are completely based on an non-issue, i.e. "kinda rare", yet you persist. bettyellen Mar 2014 #151
Could that be because ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #259
Yep, it's a completely selfish POV, that so easily dismisses the knowledge and experiences of bettyellen Mar 2014 #261
That is the chief complaint that POC ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #264
Hell yes, we see folk here who have absolutely no knowledge or experience with the stuggles of bettyellen Mar 2014 #265
In the late 80's ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #273
I came across the sexist version of this crap working in local politics, it was hard for me to see bettyellen Mar 2014 #277
I think what has many so shook ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #279
And this. bravenak Mar 2014 #285
Wow ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #286
It is a game of "me first", and I keep saying "what about someone else?" I think part of the reason bettyellen Mar 2014 #287
And that's exactly it ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #288
yep, I worked with one exceptional personal who was radically different, truly open minded..... bettyellen Mar 2014 #289
Does that mean that David Duke would stop being a racist shaayecanaan Mar 2014 #96
Yes, because he would have no social, political or economic advantages there n/t eridani Mar 2014 #100
Really? shaayecanaan Mar 2014 #104
he'd be a bigot every moment of every flight,hope that helps. bettyellen Mar 2014 #105
"Racist" isn't really a noun gollygee Mar 2014 #111
So David Duke's not a racist at all? shaayecanaan Mar 2014 #115
He's a bigot gollygee Mar 2014 #116
Golly! shaayecanaan Mar 2014 #187
Dictionaries simply reflect public usage gollygee Mar 2014 #190
Wowzee! shaayecanaan Mar 2014 #197
Whatamabobs, perhaps? I dunno. AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #203
Those aren't parallel to "racist" gollygee Mar 2014 #246
Grammatically they are shaayecanaan Mar 2014 #290
Racism is not about personal attitudes, but about institutional structures. eridani Mar 2014 #119
It's about both, actually.(yes, that is a fact, btw) AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #193
Absolutely not. Because that's not how non-structural versions of racism work. nt AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #194
I think you really should 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #157
You are still equating "privilege" with "wealth". VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #208
Which makes sense, TBH. nt AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #210
No it doesn't unless you are redefining the word... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #212
That mentally ill, queer, non-normative internally gender identified person, Nye Bevan Mar 2014 #15
Kick, kick, kick! Heidi Mar 2014 #16
Holy crap! Baitball Blogger Mar 2014 #18
1-5 are things that are pretty good practices in general geek tragedy Mar 2014 #19
Can't argue with that, at least. I just wish it had been done better, that's all. nt AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #50
Finally, the perfect mix of sanctimony and self-congratulatory gallantry. Dreamer Tatum Mar 2014 #28
There was absolutely nothing about the graphic that suggested you should hate yourself. Heidi Mar 2014 #31
My what an interesting reply! Rex Mar 2014 #34
Look, you're my friend, and that kind of hostility is not cool. Nye Bevan Mar 2014 #47
I don't think that was quite the intention..... AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #53
Many people who enjoy martyring themselves for fun often infer self-hatred from where none exists... LanternWaste Mar 2014 #144
I honestly don't think she is.....not the impression I got, anyway. nt AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #204
"cisgender"? Lady Freedom Returns Mar 2014 #36
Never mind! Found it! Lady Freedom Returns Mar 2014 #37
It's a term used for people who identify themselves by their outward gender appearance MrScorpio Mar 2014 #38
Thanks! Lady Freedom Returns Mar 2014 #39
So cisgender... JJChambers Mar 2014 #41
That's correct MrScorpio Mar 2014 #42
Makes sense. Thanks. JJChambers Mar 2014 #43
hey Skittles Mar 2014 #51
And you are absolutely correct! MrScorpio Mar 2014 #52
I do know, however Skittles Mar 2014 #59
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HAHAHAH!!!! MrScorpio Mar 2014 #75
awwwwwwwww Skittles Mar 2014 #80
Back so fast? U4ikLefty Mar 2014 #76
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2014 #89
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2014 #54
I've hired a privilege manager to handle this for me. n/t Silent3 Mar 2014 #55
are you part of the 1%, Silent3? Skittles Mar 2014 #66
Had to get a couple of chuckles off at that. n/t AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #92
Good post Nikia Mar 2014 #56
Lunchtime (UTC +1) kick! Heidi Mar 2014 #85
Everyone has some sort of privilege over someone else. Vashta Nerada Mar 2014 #94
Nope, the dead are no longer people. bettyellen Mar 2014 #98
My point is, everyone is privileged to some degree. Vashta Nerada Mar 2014 #102
Except the one lone person at the bottom of your own theoretical totem pole? And how does that bettyellen Mar 2014 #103
There's nothing theoretical about it. Vashta Nerada Mar 2014 #109
Interesting opinion... will certainly give it all the consideration it's actually worth. LanternWaste Mar 2014 #145
What is your point - exactly why is it important in terms of this discussion? bettyellen Mar 2014 #153
I've made my point. Vashta Nerada Mar 2014 #156
it's not a "point" unless you establish it's actually relevant here. It appears you cannot. bettyellen Mar 2014 #161
I have shaayecanaan Mar 2014 #99
Opinion and assertion phil89 Mar 2014 #101
Wow, thoughtful response. LOL. bettyellen Mar 2014 #155
This sums up some reactions here Capt. Obvious Mar 2014 #120
! Heidi Mar 2014 #125
Good morning Capt. Obvious Mar 2014 #130
Me, too! Heidi Mar 2014 #132
It drives me nuts Capt. Obvious Mar 2014 #134
Yep. Heidi Mar 2014 #136
kinda contradicts that whole first point there hfojvt Mar 2014 #168
It's fine with me if you disagree. Heidi Mar 2014 #171
LEAVE WHITE GUYS ALONE Capt. Obvious Mar 2014 #172
That's poking fun at the people who DON'T GET IT, not at people who have privilege. cyberswede Mar 2014 #180
people who love to tell other people they have privilege hfojvt Mar 2014 #240
For the last time, it's not about individual people. cyberswede Mar 2014 #256
you probably should make up your mind hfojvt Mar 2014 #257
The "them" is white people, collectively, in society. Regardless of individual situation. cyberswede Mar 2014 #258
so, again, it IS about individuals hfojvt Mar 2014 #263
Funny how you think this is all about you as an individual. bravenak Mar 2014 #267
As someone recently wrote, mockingly, in a thread ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #268
That is like, one of my favorite jokes!! bravenak Mar 2014 #269
Oh ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #274
OMG! He was being serious?? Pobrecito. bravenak Mar 2014 #275
stole MY job? hfojvt Mar 2014 #282
Thats how you made it sound sweetie. bravenak Mar 2014 #284
it's not all about me hfojvt Mar 2014 #281
I cannot believe you said that. Mitt Romney said someting similar. bravenak Mar 2014 #283
Oh my! cyberswede Mar 2014 #135
well I always wondered hfojvt Mar 2014 #165
Having the same shitty job while being a person of color is worse. nt cyberswede Mar 2014 #177
but that still ignores 60% of the data hfojvt Mar 2014 #242
Wow. Imagine how much more your life might suck Heidi Mar 2014 #179
it might hfojvt Mar 2014 #243
As long as we never have to talk about CLASS, the PTB approve of this message. nt Romulox Mar 2014 #121
There's nothing in the graphic that excludes any discussion about class privilege MrScorpio Mar 2014 #122
I guess the cartoonist just "forgot" to mention it. Ooops! nt Romulox Mar 2014 #123
I took it as piece about privilege in general MrScorpio Mar 2014 #124
But class isn't mentioned? It's a MAJOR "oversight", made time and again. nt Romulox Mar 2014 #126
But you're doing your part to bring attention to class privilege right now MrScorpio Mar 2014 #127
LOL. First off is to even acknowledge the concept. That is rarely done, and this isn't the first Romulox Mar 2014 #128
Good observation. And what else? MrScorpio Mar 2014 #129
Uh-huh. It sounds like you'd like to have a respectful exchange on the matter. Romulox Mar 2014 #138
I apologize that I've given you that impression MrScorpio Mar 2014 #158
It seems some folks feel entitled to a higher "class" Heidi Mar 2014 #176
What an odd statement. "Class" applies to People of Color as well. Things that benefit the lower Romulox Mar 2014 #255
The graphic IS missing a HUGE part of the discussion. And I believe it's not an accident. Romulox Mar 2014 #248
So, do you think that class privilege trumps race, gender or sexual orientation privilege? nt MrScorpio Mar 2014 #250
Nope. I think they work concurrently and reinforce one another. Like I've said all along. nt Romulox Mar 2014 #252
"We can't pay any attention to racism until there are no poor white people." gollygee Mar 2014 #131
Ding Capt. Obvious Mar 2014 #133
Bullshit. I never said anything like that. I said "privilege" should include class. Romulox Mar 2014 #137
In every thread about racism gollygee Mar 2014 #139
Ummm, this thread is about PRIVILEGE, not "racism". This is the problem. Romulox Mar 2014 #140
They are flip sides of the same thing gollygee Mar 2014 #141
And class is central in the same way. That wasn't expressed in the cartoon. nt Romulox Mar 2014 #142
Class is an overreaching problem that is not directly related gollygee Mar 2014 #143
Again, this is a discussion of *privilege*, and therefore a discussion of class is appropriate. Romulox Mar 2014 #146
Yes there is class privilege and it is huge gollygee Mar 2014 #147
This thread is about *PRIVILEGE*. It is appropriate to discuss class privilege here. Romulox Mar 2014 #148
If you brought it up as a discussion rather than an attempt gollygee Mar 2014 #149
You make a good point. nt Romulox Mar 2014 #150
Please re-read Point 1, re: dominating the discussion and dictating the language, etc. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #159
Yep. Controlling the narrative about others' experiences, or feeling entitled to control it, Heidi Mar 2014 #162
And to explain why that is so offensive ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #164
Unfortunately, the majority of the controlling of the narrative in this case..... AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #207
But i have been reading you dominate this entire thread. bravenak Mar 2014 #213
" But i have been reading you dominate this entire thread." A significant number of comments..... AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #215
Then re read it. bravenak Mar 2014 #218
Opposing and debunking you is NOT controlling you... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #230
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This thread is about PRIVILEGE. Is it dominated by voices of the lower class? I think not. Romulox Mar 2014 #249
whatever class you are in will ALSO be effected by your gender, race, orientation etc.... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #229
And whatever race you are, you will ALSO be affected by class. Where is the contradiction or Romulox Mar 2014 #253
and more adversely so if you are a woman and or a minority and or homosexual..... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #262
BINGO ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #163
Lunchtime (UTC +1). Heidi Mar 2014 #245
"every thread about racism" hfojvt Mar 2014 #167
How come you think white people should get to do all the talking about Racism? bravenak Mar 2014 #201
That's not the impression I've been getting from him, TBH. AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #206
You're the one that knows more about racism than black people. bravenak Mar 2014 #211
"You're the one that knows more about racism than black people." Never implied such. AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #214
You are trying to do all the talking and all the deciding. And you come from a place of privilege. bravenak Mar 2014 #216
If I may chime in... Zenlitened Mar 2014 #220
I hope it is performance art. bravenak Mar 2014 #222
THIS! thank you, B! bettyellen Mar 2014 #224
No problem. bravenak Mar 2014 #225
"We're probably at about seven bucks worth of your fifteen centses." Number23 Mar 2014 #227
Poor guy. Nobody lets him finish. bravenak Mar 2014 #236
Look below. Better make that $7.15 worth of his fifteen centses Number23 Mar 2014 #237
I thought he was done, but hell naw! bravenak Mar 2014 #239
..... AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #235
You do not always HAVE to say something, honey. bravenak Mar 2014 #238
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2014 #221
Really Darcy, i think you are in the wrong place to spread your bile. bravenak Mar 2014 #223
He has been escorted from the premises. Behind the Aegis Mar 2014 #226
So ugly. bravenak Mar 2014 #231
Very much so, but your response was excellent. Behind the Aegis Mar 2014 #232
A lot of name removed's on this one. bravenak Mar 2014 #234
sometimes it would be nice if we did talk about racism hfojvt Mar 2014 #166
I can't believe he called you a racist Capt. Obvious Mar 2014 #169
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2014 #173
Welcome to DU Capt. Obvious Mar 2014 #174
Oh, yeah. I'm just sure that one is a lifelong "democrat". I don't believe he's got a grandmother, Squinch Mar 2014 #185
Wait until he finds out that some of the people who work at the nursing home Capt. Obvious Mar 2014 #189
"As a lifelong democrat . . . " gollygee Mar 2014 #186
Agreed. AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #195
apparently there are parts of that choir that still need some preaching to... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #233
Big K&R... daleanime Mar 2014 #154
KnR. nt tblue37 Mar 2014 #160
k&r the flypaper thread uppityperson Mar 2014 #175
LOL cyberswede Mar 2014 #178
"Racial and gender entitlement knows no class system..." Zenlitened Mar 2014 #199
"Privilege is a fact, not an insult" MrScorpio Mar 2014 #200
"White men of all classes benefit from a system based on racial and gender inequality." Number23 Mar 2014 #228
It is a truth that makes them very uncomfortable. That it has been slowly slipping away is why so bettyellen Mar 2014 #266
But understand ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #270
Winner winner chicken dinner!! bravenak Mar 2014 #276
Class is the most overriding, all-encompassing privilege that exists in America. Denial is strong! Romulox Mar 2014 #251
True ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #271
I think maybe your sentence could be edited to read... Zenlitened Mar 2014 #272
+1 ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #278
Perfectly said Number23 Mar 2014 #291
Says a white man. kwassa Mar 2014 #280
K&R Lunacee_2013 Mar 2014 #254
Always a thought-provoking post, Mr Scorpio. Sorry I'm late to the party, but here's a KnR anyway. Hekate Mar 2014 #295
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