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Token Republican

(242 posts)
69. The point being
Sat Mar 8, 2014, 06:27 PM
Mar 2014

if you were living in the Soviet Union or Nazi German, in the 1930s to 1940s and openly opposed the leaders, you would have been shot, liquidated, missing, and your family would have paid a price too, to teach others not to disobey.

Voting meant nothing.

You would have the right to confess of course. Soviets were very good at getting to the truth they wanted.

The Great Purge of the 1930s is a classic example of a government just slightly out of control.

If you were an enemy of the state, you had the absolute right to confess your guilt. Occasionally people tried to say they were tortured into pleading guilty, but often they changed their mind, as illustrated by this example.

Bukharin's confession

On the first day of trial, Krestinsky caused a sensation when he repudiated his written confession and pled not guilty to all the charges. However, he changed his plea the next day after "special measures", which dislocated his left shoulder among other things.


Voting and opposing your government is not always an option and is something we should never take for granted here.


Amazing pictures. The contrast is unreal. I found another link. madfloridian Mar 2014 #1
um, no. Afghanistan was controlled by the Taliban at that time cali Mar 2014 #3
Uh, here are two links that show time frame. madfloridian Mar 2014 #5
Your links are referencing the 50s, 60s and 70s. PRE TALIBAN cali Mar 2014 #8
My point is how they are dressed today. madfloridian Mar 2014 #35
You said this: cali Mar 2014 #38
Whoa, women of course are worse under Taliban rule. madfloridian Mar 2014 #51
Again, you said this cali Mar 2014 #55
Read that paragraph of mine again. madfloridian Mar 2014 #63
He meant the POSTS were pre-invasion. Not the pictures. The pictures were from before. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2014 #67
You might be thinking of Iraq before the invasion in 2003. CJCRANE Mar 2014 #11
My claim was that there were posts here at time of invasion. Having trouble why I am called wrong. madfloridian Mar 2014 #29
I think you were probably thinking of Iraq as it was a secular country CJCRANE Mar 2014 #34
because that wasn't your claim and because you are confusing Iraq and Afghanistan cali Mar 2014 #50
"Pre-War" here refers to the Afghan Civil War and the Russian intervention therein Scootaloo Mar 2014 #20
Sadly, a fact the was lost on much of this thread etherealtruth Mar 2014 #22
Not what I said. We have been there since 2003...look how they dress now. madfloridian Mar 2014 #36
It read like you were saying it was a consequence of the US' 2002 invasion Scootaloo Mar 2014 #39
I wasn't. Thank you for understanding. Neither was the OP. madfloridian Mar 2014 #45
and they were even more restricted by the Taliban cali Mar 2014 #53
Perhaps you should read what the women themselves have to say about their situation. They have sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #81
There were no women dressed as professionals after the 1990s. NutmegYankee Mar 2014 #30
Right. As in none. zero. cali Mar 2014 #56
This was before the Russian invasion that we helped WhiteTara Mar 2014 #78
You are looking for DU limks posted pre-invasion of past times? uppityperson Mar 2014 #91
Although not as fast... awoke_in_2003 Mar 2014 #2
no, it's not. cali Mar 2014 #4
Reproductive rights are incredibly significant. And the TRAP laws are funded by the religious right. PeaceNikki Mar 2014 #9
didn't say they weren't, but the trends are clear cali Mar 2014 #15
Yes but religious anti-choicers are winning that one with secular arguments... Hippo_Tron Mar 2014 #19
yeah, well, the fucking asterisk of *except reproductive rights doesn't cut it for me. PeaceNikki Mar 2014 #23
I know it's fucking huge. and you know that I've said here that it's of major importance cali Mar 2014 #32
I'm not trying to diminish the importance of reproductive rights Hippo_Tron Mar 2014 #33
Half of the politicians in this country... awoke_in_2003 Mar 2014 #73
This message was self-deleted by its author Skip Intro Mar 2014 #42
Kabul, 1972. That was before forty years of imperialist war. Comrade Grumpy Mar 2014 #6
yep. cali Mar 2014 #10
Is today one of the days where Western values are good? mathematic Mar 2014 #7
That depends. Is President Obama involved? nt msanthrope Mar 2014 #12
Yeah etherealtruth Mar 2014 #17
today is the day where we ackowledge historical reality cali Mar 2014 #13
Funny how that "clash of civilizations" crap keeps popping up Scootaloo Mar 2014 #44
What's your opinion? Do you prefer religious law or secular law? CJCRANE Mar 2014 #14
Cultural appropriation has nothing to do with this and women's rights aren't a western value... Hippo_Tron Mar 2014 #24
The Taliban hasn't been in power in Kabul for more than a decade. Comrade Grumpy Mar 2014 #59
The Taliban is the reason you see the number of women wearing them today that you do... Hippo_Tron Mar 2014 #71
When "Western values" dovetail with human rights for all people, they're good. nomorenomore08 Mar 2014 #80
You cannot support Women's Rights and support War! That is a perfect demonstration sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #16
What about WWII and the jewish men and women who were liberated? CJCRANE Mar 2014 #18
Are you asking me if I supported Hitler's war machine? Not sure what was unclear in my comment sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #25
There are usually two sides to a war. In WWII it was Hitler vs FDR/Churchill etc. CJCRANE Mar 2014 #27
What is a good reason for a country to go to war? sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #48
Sure, if you're willing to make an indefinite commitment... Hippo_Tron Mar 2014 #41
You are speaking of the Soviet invasion .... etherealtruth Mar 2014 #21
The neocons claimed to be spreading "liberal democracy" CJCRANE Mar 2014 #26
Hope springs eternal etherealtruth Mar 2014 #28
I thought my comment was clear. If I had been a citizen of the Soviet Union, or since someone else sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #31
It was the seeming conflation of the US invasion and the rapid decline of women's rights etherealtruth Mar 2014 #37
The OP only had 2 pics. It implied nothing like that at all. madfloridian Mar 2014 #43
Many readers understood your posts and those of Sabrina's etherealtruth Mar 2014 #54
Isn't it true the Taliban went out of power in 2001. Regrouped in Pakistan? madfloridian Mar 2014 #61
No one (or at least not me) is asking you to defend anything etherealtruth Mar 2014 #64
And many people did understand it. As for how Bush's invasion of Afghanistan affected women there sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #90
I follow the plight of women all over the world. We haven't invaded the Congo yet I know for a fact sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #70
+1000000000000000000000 nt. polly7 Mar 2014 #72
The point being Token Republican Mar 2014 #69
Historical correction Scootaloo Mar 2014 #52
You are very correct about the mujihadeen and the Taliban etherealtruth Mar 2014 #57
The consequences of religion. nt valerief Mar 2014 #40
The consequences of a particular religion. n/t Skip Intro Mar 2014 #47
Have you paid attention to Texas recently? nt valerief Mar 2014 #49
What, that place where women aren't forced to cover their faces? Donald Ian Rankin Mar 2014 #76
Texas--Where they can't get legal abortions. nt valerief Mar 2014 #79
Really? Donald Ian Rankin Mar 2014 #92
A particular brand of religion: Fundamentalism. nt CJCRANE Mar 2014 #62
The Taliban ruined Afghanistan... Drunken Irishman Mar 2014 #46
huh? Afghanistan was a fucking ruin before the Taliban came to power cali Mar 2014 #58
You're right. I meant more the Afghan Mujahideen. Drunken Irishman Mar 2014 #66
Things have regressed for women in Libya too... bvar22 Mar 2014 #60
Same thing for the women of Iraq ... who used to have something we still don't have here, equal pay sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #82
Reagan's Freedom fighters! The Taliban! MysticHuman Mar 2014 #65
Wow jamzrockz Mar 2014 #68
Some Iranain neighbors showed me some pictures when I was a kid Sen. Walter Sobchak Mar 2014 #74
The late ConsAre Liars traveled in Afghanistan extensively in the late '60s/early '70s Blue_In_AK Mar 2014 #75
I remember his posts on Afghanistan, they were a wonderful resource for the history of that country sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #83
It was one of the more inexplicable bannings. Blue_In_AK Mar 2014 #84
I found his archived journal. madfloridian Mar 2014 #85
I wondered why he wasn't posting every once in a while, but thought he was probably sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #88
That journal of his is a treasure, Blue_In_AK. So many good posts. madfloridian Mar 2014 #86
He was one of my best friends here. Blue_In_AK Mar 2014 #87
Fucking Cold War get the red out Mar 2014 #77
That's not exactly true Separation Mar 2014 #89
Interesting- but one contestant killed for showing her hair. ErikJ Mar 2014 #93
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