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In reply to the discussion: Torture Whistleblower: I got 30 months in prison. Why does Leon Panetta get a pass? [View all]msanthrope
(37,549 posts)43. Waterboarding is never okay--this was the man who said it was--it was effective. nt
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Torture Whistleblower: I got 30 months in prison. Why does Leon Panetta get a pass? [View all]
cali
Mar 2014
OP
I'm having a hard time finding where Kirikou lied cited in that Wikipedia entry
dballance
Mar 2014
#4
Leon Panetta went from the CIA to the DoD, which conveniently gave his staff
TwilightGardener
Mar 2014
#2
If the Senate feels it would be appropriate, the Senate has options for action against Clapper
struggle4progress
Mar 2014
#9
The Senate lies in a different branch of government from the Executive, and so
struggle4progress
Mar 2014
#21
Do we possess (say) any official act of the Senate indicating that the Senate is outraged somehow?
struggle4progress
Mar 2014
#28
The Senate's outrage is to be gauged by the actual outrage expressed by the Senate itself:
struggle4progress
Mar 2014
#33
That stand will leave you entirely without any firm ground under your feet,
struggle4progress
Mar 2014
#56
It's standard Washington baseball: something important is happening at third base,
struggle4progress
Mar 2014
#88
You wouldn't know--neither would I--if he wrote a classified letter to the committee.
MADem
Mar 2014
#121
It seems to be your view, that a hundred Senators together with their staffs cannot parse Clapper,
struggle4progress
Mar 2014
#115
This is another example of Washington baseball, and once again you've been distracted
struggle4progress
Mar 2014
#129
Very well put. Wouldn't it be easier to face facts? I couldn't do the contortions it takes to try
sabrina 1
Mar 2014
#125
Why? To satisfy Senators Rand Paul and Lindsey Graham? Or to satisfy Republican Representatives
struggle4progress
Mar 2014
#127
How about because it's the right thing to do? Do you refrain from doing what is right just to stick
sabrina 1
Mar 2014
#128
Translation: you consider yourself the final arbiter of what's right
struggle4progress
Mar 2014
#132
Lying to Congress ISN"T wrong? No my idea regarding firing liars, and prosecuting war criminals who
sabrina 1
Mar 2014
#133
Who in Congress says Clapper lied? In the Senate, I find Rand Paul; in the House, I find
struggle4progress
Mar 2014
#134
There's no statute of limitations on lying to Congress that I know of. And Ron Wyden is
sabrina 1
Mar 2014
#136
Ron Wyden has never to my knowledge described Clapper's testimony as a lie
struggle4progress
Mar 2014
#137
Nope. It is the responsibility of Congress to hold people accountable--or not--for contempt.
MADem
Mar 2014
#65
"Clapper should have said he can't answer in an unclassified forum, but he chose to lie."
ProSense
Mar 2014
#13
Eh...not really. Lying is not itself a crime, unless the elements of perjury are met. nt
msanthrope
Mar 2014
#16
Kiriakou pled guilty to violating the Intelligence Identities Protection Act
struggle4progress
Mar 2014
#8
Same reason PFC Manning rots in prison instead of war criminals Bush and Cheney.
Octafish
Mar 2014
#10
Is that really what you are asserting? Manning is the same as a torture defender? See #8 nt
stevenleser
Mar 2014
#14
You said the treatment of this torture defender is the same as Manning. So you are comparing the two
stevenleser
Mar 2014
#59
Um...John Kiriakou thought waterboarding was a good thing. I'm betting Chelsea Manning
msanthrope
Mar 2014
#17
You are the one who brought up Manning. Not me. Frankly, I'm puzzled why you
msanthrope
Mar 2014
#38
Yes, he was a proponent of waterboarding. If you didn't know that, that is on you, but you have the
stevenleser
Mar 2014
#62
YES!!! HE WAS TOTALLY OKAY WITH IT!!! He lied to the American people about the
msanthrope
Mar 2014
#94
The truth was going to come out. Kiriakou served to blunt the impact of the real revelations
CJCRANE
Mar 2014
#39
How gauche! All good Americans know that it is impolite to look and/or lean backward.
xocet
Mar 2014
#19
My momma always told me that my bad manners was why we couldn't have nice things.
bvar22
Mar 2014
#22
The original leaker was Richard Armitage, from the State department, and technically,
hughee99
Mar 2014
#120
That Armitage "confession" was just muddying the water as part of the cover-up
struggle4progress
Mar 2014
#135
Waterboarding is never okay--this was the man who said it was--it was effective. nt
msanthrope
Mar 2014
#43
There are acts that protect whistleblowers. You seem rather upset and have resorted to personal
msanthrope
Mar 2014
#41
Indeed--in the other thread, it was quite clear who you were referencing with this post--
msanthrope
Mar 2014
#67
"Look, I get that you are upset with your mother" <--- is that wimpy personal insult all you got?
L0oniX
Mar 2014
#73
I don't personally insult DUers--particularly those who are exhibiting as much pain and distress as
msanthrope
Mar 2014
#89
My DU betters? Look, it's pretty obvious you are upset with me. And, that you
msanthrope
Mar 2014
#91
"you have conflated with problems with your mother" LMAO ...imagination is all you got.
L0oniX
Mar 2014
#93
And once again, you assert argumentum ad hominem as a valid practice. Noted again. nt
stevenleser
Mar 2014
#61
It amazes me that we have posters here that consistently disparage whistle-blowers
rhett o rick
Mar 2014
#68
Kiriakou shilled for the neocons. He was a torture apologist. I know which side I'm on.
CJCRANE
Mar 2014
#70
I respect your dislike of Kiriakou but that should be beside the point. The point as I see it is
rhett o rick
Mar 2014
#71
i think this is because obama is in charge, if the same thing happened under bush
La Lioness Priyanka
Mar 2014
#72
Kiriakou was a propagandist for Bush. People are re-writing history to make a point.
CJCRANE
Mar 2014
#80
yes, the Feds get mad at employees who "whistle-blow" over their heads or by-pass official channels
Sunlei
Mar 2014
#97
He was pally with the corporate media. He did friendly interviews extolling the virtues of torture.
CJCRANE
Mar 2014
#110
I wasn't clear, I was talking about how the corporate media treated him after
Catherina
Mar 2014
#111
All the alleged "nuance" is there from the very beginning. Review the actual Brian Ross interviews
struggle4progress
Mar 2014
#130