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In reply to the discussion: do people today understand what war with Russia would mean? [View all]Douglas Carpenter
(20,226 posts)mean - so you say crazy things like this. NO THEY WERE NOT DUPES. The U.S. and the U.K. never promised war with Russia. The agreement was certifying a Russian promise. NOBODY in the Ukraine expected America and the British to go to war with Russia and you certainly don't hear anyone from Ukraine claiming that America and Britain let them down be not launching a World War that would likely kill millions of them. The leaders of Ukraine certainly knew that the U.S and the U.K were OBVIOUSLY not going to launch a war that would likely cost millions of lives to defend Russia sovereignty over a region that has almost a two to one majority of ethnic Russians. THERE ARE OTHER METHODS OF COERSION BESIDES WAR OR NUKES , YOU KNOW. You do know that, don't you? So no the Ukrainians were not so stupid that they thought that America and Britain were going to launch World War III to defend Ukrainian control over Crimea. They were not that dumb - nobody is.
There was never any question that at the end of the cold war that the former Soviet Republics other than Russia would not be maintaining a nuclear arsenal. That was never going to happen.
The whole conversation about whether or not to launch a war or provoke a war with Russia by providing the Ukraine with nukes is so kooky. I can't believe I'm having it with anyone - especially on a liberal website. But, I guess a lot of kids these days are just jaw droppingly naive about life and just don't know very much about the world.