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In reply to the discussion: "Let's work to end racial discrimination" is a better approach than "whites are so privileged". [View all]JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)345. You should check out
The Third Way website sometime! It's not really uh - reflective of us at all. Which is why it cracks me up when that gets thrown at black members. The last time I checked out the About Us section there was one black woman in an Administrative role.
I'm sorry but my 17 and 20 year old nephews have to have an "Authoritarian" mentality because they may have to survive being pulled over for a DWB.
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"Let's work to end racial discrimination" is a better approach than "whites are so privileged". [View all]
Nye Bevan
Feb 2014
OP
The example I used ("stop and frisk") probably results in a fair bit of unconscoious discrimination,
Nye Bevan
Feb 2014
#2
Who, in this thread said anything about there not being any jobs? Why are you insisting that this
Squinch
Feb 2014
#212
American Privilege is even more damaging, especially to all those countries where America,
sabrina 1
Mar 2014
#430
If you think that "every person in the country" says "I oppose racial discrimination"
Nye Bevan
Feb 2014
#21
Yeah, and bandying the term "male privilege" about doesn't usually help either (nt)
Nye Bevan
Feb 2014
#6
Naa, especially when I keep posting Women are people too, and everyone should have the same
RC
Feb 2014
#146
So you really believe there is some ulterior motive here for people posting in this thread, and it
Squinch
Feb 2014
#150
If more white people acknowledged the pervasive effects of white privelege, if we didn't
Squinch
Feb 2014
#116
Because frankly, "the general public" as a whole have shit for brains. And are racist as all hell
nomorenomore08
Feb 2014
#277
The only reason it "derails discussions" is because people's precious fee-fees are apparently more
nomorenomore08
Feb 2014
#275
People's feelings are important, of course. I didn't really mean to imply otherwise.
nomorenomore08
Feb 2014
#318
Frankly, I just don't see any other interpretation of that incident which doesn't in some way rely
nomorenomore08
Feb 2014
#363
What happened to Trayvon was a manifestation of discrimination and bigotry.
lumberjack_jeff
Feb 2014
#41
Right. There's really no substance to discussions about "white privilege" except snottiness.
Squinch
Feb 2014
#120
He didn't say there was no substance; he said that the discussions of 'white privilege' he's seen
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#177
that only tells us that you spend more time among "snotty white college kids" than many of us here.
bettyellen
Feb 2014
#203
I'm white and I have no problem accepting the fact that I have privileges that others do not
Whisp
Feb 2014
#26
To be brutally honest, I see nothing wrong with "tearing down" the ignorant and self-centered
nomorenomore08
Feb 2014
#279
here's my opinion on this. i live in a big city, and it's very diverse. in this context, you bet
dionysus
Feb 2014
#184
it most certainly exists, i am just positing that people who have never seen it, won't get it.
dionysus
Feb 2014
#197
Exactly. Privilege is more about the bad things that *don't* happen to you in life.
nomorenomore08
Feb 2014
#282
Maybe the reason for the difficulty is that the term is flawed. You could consider that.
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#367
Telling people of color how they are fighting racism wrong. Where have I seen that tactic before?
Squinch
Feb 2014
#119
Except the meme in its current manifestation comes out of the white ivy league and feminist studies
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#149
So questioning the meme of "white privilege" doesn't equal "telling black people they are fighting
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#164
That makes no sense at all. The term "democratic" comes from a french word that came from a greek
Squinch
Feb 2014
#168
If the originators of the term and the most visible promoters of the term are mainly white,
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#172
lol. the phenomenon you label as white privilege exists. questioning the label and its theoretical
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#175
...as those who will not see that white privilege is a fact of American life in 2014.
Squinch
Feb 2014
#409
well, what does it explain? and what are we supposed to do after accepting our "white privilege"?
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#251
It doesn't explain how our society works at all. That's one of the reasons I take exception to it.
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#259
How's that? His grandfather owned a chain of liquor stores and other properties.
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#160
Perhaps there have been "white privilege" threads that have been civilized and productive
Nye Bevan
Feb 2014
#15
And all the while, they insist their supposed hurt feelings be catered to, while not giving a
nomorenomore08
Feb 2014
#283
You care about the perspectives of blacks that slap you on the back and say amen.
TheKentuckian
Feb 2014
#382
I don't need an African American group to find out what black folks think.
TheKentuckian
Feb 2014
#387
Not at all. That would be a statistically false statement. I'm saying your sample is comprised of
TheKentuckian
Feb 2014
#395
"I would think you would want to have these discussions in the African American group".
Nye Bevan
Mar 2014
#432
Honestly, this is one of the most eloquent and thoughtful responses I've seen on here.
AverageJoe90
Feb 2014
#406
And maybe -no definitely - the people denying white privilege and not those pointing it out are the
Squinch
Feb 2014
#124
The only one I can see is "We need to be more gentle talking about these things."
nomorenomore08
Feb 2014
#284
"Privilege". If you really, truly think this is a helpful educational tool.....
AverageJoe90
Feb 2014
#154
you cant end discrimination if those who benefit from it dont acknowledge it. nt
La Lioness Priyanka
Feb 2014
#13
Well, if you think that it's productive to accuse others of "internalizing" their racism,
Nye Bevan
Feb 2014
#32
Yes, and what could possibly matter more than some white people's personal feelings on the subject?
nomorenomore08
Feb 2014
#314
NO. You are pretending that people who take exception to the white privilege meme do it because
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#127
Look, many people on these threads have expressed what it's about. The objections are various.
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#246
1. I've told no "members of color" they shouldn't raise issues of concern to them.
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#276
"What is most essential is that you never be confronted with the reality of the world around you."
nomorenomore08
Feb 2014
#316
How often are you pulled over by cops for no reason but the color of your skin?
BainsBane
Feb 2014
#92
Exactly. Even putting aside past injustices, there are still plenty in the present. n/t
nomorenomore08
Feb 2014
#319
You're kidding, right? As if the response to "institutional racism" can or should be met by
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#82
Again, with the what have *I* done, as if my individual response to racism were the linchpin
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#95
If the diagnosis of the problem is that individuals do not accept the reality of their white
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#102
"Work to end discrimination" is empty cant, especially when all the energy of those
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#130
If people would stop derailing discussions about white privilege because they object to the term
Squinch
Feb 2014
#142
So start the discussion, what specific actions do you propose to combat racism?
Bjorn Against
Feb 2014
#210
The job isn't completed when the mechanic agrees that the car is broken.
lumberjack_jeff
Feb 2014
#55
Really? I have experienced plenty of white people who deny the very concept of "privilege"...
YoungDemCA
Feb 2014
#106
So long as even one person persists in saying "privilege isn't the right way to think about this"...
lumberjack_jeff
Feb 2014
#176
I think you are confusing overt government actions such as Affirmative Action,
Baitball Blogger
Feb 2014
#380
People said Malcom X and Martin Luther King were going about it the wrong way back then
gollygee
Feb 2014
#68
I have. And it's very interesting that the person who coined the term did so in Marxist terms, in
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#93
I've read "Unpacking". In comparison with Theodore Allen's work, it's a child's scribble.
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#117
Because he was a working class scholar unaffiliated with institutional power, and a Marxist.
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#151
"White people have a definite self-interest in changing things." I agree with this much anyway.
nomorenomore08
Feb 2014
#321
No one "jokes" about reducing the welfare rolls by murdering "white thugs."
nomorenomore08
Feb 2014
#322
The logical problem with the term "white privilege" means that we're all privileged
LittleBlue
Feb 2014
#123
The other problem is that it disappears real privilege: the privilege of the ruling class that
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#137
But a middle- or upper-class black man is still more likely to be hassled by cops
nomorenomore08
Feb 2014
#325
"white privilege" is a blanket term. I & george are both white, thus we are equal in our "white
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#163
They ARE equal in their white privilege, they are not equal in their total personal privilege.
kwassa
Feb 2014
#198
Yes, George & I are equal in our white privilege. But that really doesn't explain anything, does it
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#213
That was explained long ago. "white privilege" is just slapping another label on it.
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#253
They are not equal in their privilege. There's a tremendous difference in social class.
nomorenomore08
Feb 2014
#324
Yes, intersectionality etc. Which leads, in these discussions, to people toting up all their
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#338
I don't think of this as a "game" with a "score," and I doubt many people who are actually
nomorenomore08
Feb 2014
#341
I don't know about that; I'm just saying that there always seems to be a few in these
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#346
OK. So what I don't understand is that if you start from the proposition that whites as a category
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#365
OK. So you're not saying that whites as a category are racist. That wasn't apparent from your
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#370
"But suddenly everyone who hasn't experienced sexual abuse is privileged to have avoided that
nomorenomore08
Feb 2014
#323
The problem is, this same attitude has been rather prevalent with certain sets.........
AverageJoe90
Feb 2014
#179
the wword is not derailing discusision- people are. Oversensitive, self involved people who do not
bettyellen
Feb 2014
#181
If the communication is not effective toward the audience that needs to receive it
TheKentuckian
Feb 2014
#302
I don't think anyones making PSAs about the privilege- are they? Just having an honest discussion
bettyellen
Feb 2014
#304
It doesn't offend me in the slightest. I'm not sure where you got that from.
Nye Bevan
Feb 2014
#193
"The goal is to discuss racial issues in a non-contentious, productive manner."
nomorenomore08
Feb 2014
#326
Believe me (or not), at my age it takes an awful lot more to offend me than a phrase
Nye Bevan
Feb 2014
#234
I'm offended that you have the nerve to tell black people which terms they should use to make you
bravenak
Feb 2014
#238
I'm sorry that you think that observing that a particular phrase tends to be unhelpful
Nye Bevan
Feb 2014
#240
The old way of saying it nicely hasn't been effective. It hasn't been productive. It's just talk.
bravenak
Feb 2014
#258
When a black guy took North Carolina and Virginia in the 2008 presidential election,
Nye Bevan
Feb 2014
#261
OK. And other people presumably state what they think is plain as well. The term doesn't make
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#292
I don't propose anything like "fixing the economic issues first". But I don't see much of
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#300
So politicians recruit black support and fail to follow through on their promises? Obviously.
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#305
I don't disagree, except with the usefulness of the term. As I've stated before. Ta da!
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#312
I can't tell that your comments aren't intended personally either, but I take you at your word in
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#354
"The real cause of racism" is WHITE PEOPLE. PERIOD. White people INVENTED that shit!
nomorenomore08
Feb 2014
#327
I didn't ask for a get out of jail card or anything of the sort. And yelling doesn't get your point
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#333
But I'm not talking about a hypothetical world in which white people don't exist.
nomorenomore08
Feb 2014
#336
Maybe, maybe not. But that's kind of beside the point, for the purposes of this discussion.
nomorenomore08
Feb 2014
#342
The reason I ask is, I feel the hidden assumption of meritocracy in these discussions and can't help
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#351
Maybe. Just as some have a blind spot RE: race, others have one RE: class.
nomorenomore08
Feb 2014
#356
"Let's work to end racial discrimination" is a better response to white privilege than complaining
fishwax
Feb 2014
#204
i own white privilege. it doesnt derail, it enhances and enlightens conversation. to deny
seabeyond
Feb 2014
#219
people DENY white privilege. it is a reality for those not white. they are denying a quiet form of
seabeyond
Feb 2014
#223
As long as they keep denying obvious realities, the rest of us will keep "hectoring" them!
nomorenomore08
Feb 2014
#329
thank you. but, it truly makes no sense to me that white people cannot see it. it is so fuggin
seabeyond
Feb 2014
#228
"It's the hyperbole I object to". I think that we are approaching a meeting of minds here.
Nye Bevan
Feb 2014
#256
Of course you pride yourself on being just offensive enough to not get hidden.
morningfog
Feb 2014
#268
It is a necessary step for real change to occur. You are an obstructionist, charitably.
morningfog
Feb 2014
#272
In what way is it a necessary step for "real change"? If it's necessary, why wasn't it necessary
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#278
Oooh, nine recs out of 300. Would that any of you nine would think about that.
bettyellen
Feb 2014
#310
Tell me Betty, what are the achievements of 20+ years of the "white privilege" meme?
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#313
are you fucking kidding me? why would you think that is quantifiable movement or PSA or something?
bettyellen
Feb 2014
#317
Again, "people who work in anti-racism campaigns all the time" are not the target for your supposed
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#320
I don't much care about your opinion of how I sound. And you don't know anything about what I have
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#334
Oops. I thought it linked to mine. In which case I would have had every reason to take it personal
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#371
Nye, I'm telling you that there is a subtly here that is creating the confusion for a lot of people.
Baitball Blogger
Feb 2014
#384
When I write my story, they will have something to hang their hat on.
Baitball Blogger
Feb 2014
#415
Because reducing a nuanced argument to a simplistic strawman makes it easier
nomorenomore08
Feb 2014
#413
Nothing wrong with that sentiment, in and of itself. But it requires the assumption that the OP
nomorenomore08
Feb 2014
#414
In general I agree with that. Where we may disagree is on the source of said "division."
nomorenomore08
Feb 2014
#422
I don't think it's "ostracizing people who disagree" to suggest that their posts don't come off
nomorenomore08
Mar 2014
#426