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Sheepshank

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53. So are we ato assume that the gov't the the big bad dog in this
Tue Feb 25, 2014, 02:08 PM
Feb 2014

and that Greewald, Koch, Fox, Beck, and any other hack doesn't hire a fleet of people to do the same type of character defamation? The outrage seems quite stupid in this case without invoking the bigger picture.

k&r thanks for posting. nm rhett o rick Feb 2014 #1
That of course could never ever happen here. nadinbrzezinski Feb 2014 #2
nope bobduca Feb 2014 #19
Well there was this from Salon Autumn Feb 2014 #30
This really has me thinking...are there covert agents here? Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #58
non-citizens may have some advantage here reddread Feb 2014 #64
I doubt one could ever know. If a republican were in office it Autumn Feb 2014 #66
I'd look for someone who is extremely well organized in his/her posts and never says JDPriestly Feb 2014 #166
Holy fucking shit!!11! Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #171
Glad you can appreciate. JDPriestly Feb 2014 #172
That is 100% creepy right there. arcane1 Feb 2014 #75
They're here! Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #79
I wonder if the Administration pays the same if Jackpine Radical Feb 2014 #104
They pay handsomely Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #105
Pay is based on the number of smilies used [n/t] Maedhros Feb 2014 #278
Psst...Glenn's book is out on Mar. 25th. Now he has a reason for all the mean Amazon reviews. nt msanthrope Feb 2014 #225
Here are a couple of very interesting paras from that Salon story: Jackpine Radical Feb 2014 #103
very interesting reddread Feb 2014 #106
Indeed. (nt) Jackpine Radical Feb 2014 #116
Sunstein's the guy who recc'd we forgive Bush war crimes. Octafish Mar 2014 #292
It's about time this piece of the horror story begins to get some exposure. woo me with science Feb 2014 #3
+1, well said. Marr Feb 2014 #16
Nice! Enthusiast Feb 2014 #21
But we must be grateful, at least, that we have a Dem rusty fender Feb 2014 #42
Woo, you said the same thiong as Greenwald, but... bvar22 Feb 2014 #92
No, thank *you.* woo me with science Feb 2014 #198
This is just what I see here when certain subjects come up Mojorabbit Feb 2014 #229
this response is wrong. frwrfpos Feb 2014 #107
If you haven't read Greg Palast's Vulture's Picnic, you should. JDPriestly Feb 2014 #170
True. Combine surveillance, record-keeping on every individual's whereabouts and activities JDPriestly Feb 2014 #169
We don't have concentration camps Aerows Feb 2014 #250
You make a good point. JDPriestly Feb 2014 #254
Maybe they'll just start treating us like email-- Jackpine Radical Feb 2014 #281
K&R'd! snot Feb 2014 #4
They really are not that hard to spot. And of course, Anonymous confirmed that Glenn Greenwald sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #5
"This SHOULD be illegal, but of course we have to be an actual Democracy..." woo me with science Feb 2014 #9
Things are moving fast. The privatization of everything is nearly complete. sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #13
funny how you have zero criticism of the Ukrainian despot who ordered snipers to murder geek tragedy Feb 2014 #35
You mean the protesters that are largely made up of neo-nazis and fascists? qwertyq Feb 2014 #55
if an army sniper suspects someone is a fascist, then it's okay to shoot them in the city street? geek tragedy Feb 2014 #56
No, of course not. Jackpine Radical Feb 2014 #282
inside the US, absolutely not nt geek tragedy Feb 2014 #283
True, we moslty just let the cops eliminate potential problems with their sidearms. Jackpine Radical Feb 2014 #284
a symptom , not the disease ... MindMover Feb 2014 #57
Funny you ignored everything and stuck to the talking point that is supposed to justify sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #87
your crocodile tears for a despot who ordered the murder of political protestors geek tragedy Feb 2014 #88
Your support for coup d'etats in democracies, is also noted. Btw, that 'duly noted' thing, sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #153
How many dead protestors in the US vs Ukraine? geek tragedy Feb 2014 #160
You aren't very fond of the 'left' are you? sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #162
Not an attack on the left, just those who embrace authoritarianism geek tragedy Feb 2014 #163
Like I said, not very fond of the Left, and you provide more of the same old 'commie' sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #167
Sabrina Aerows Feb 2014 #255
When our nation's leaders murder, it doesn't seem so bad. Vattel Feb 2014 #118
Have you read Vultures' Picnic by Greg Palast. It lays out some of the interesting details JDPriestly Feb 2014 #173
I was going to quote the same. It's certainly quote worthy. Enthusiast Feb 2014 #22
+1 jsr Feb 2014 #33
+1 a whole bunch! Enthusiast Feb 2014 #23
then name names. if you have identified government agents posting at DU geek tragedy Feb 2014 #34
If the poster were to name name's..... go west young man Feb 2014 #54
if they named my name, I'd have a good chuckle at their stupidity nt geek tragedy Feb 2014 #62
Then don't invite naming names. JDPriestly Feb 2014 #174
As much as it bothers me to say it Aerows Feb 2014 #259
I've seen it. JDPriestly Feb 2014 #261
Not the first time, Skinner admitted to this during the transition from DU2 to DU3 mrdmk Feb 2014 #287
Go straight to the admins ... tell them who's on your "list". JoePhilly Feb 2014 #109
"Call outs" used to be against the rules on DU BuelahWitch Feb 2014 #61
so observing DU rules is secondary to resisting efforts by the security state to spy on us? nt geek tragedy Feb 2014 #63
This website is privately owned BuelahWitch Feb 2014 #65
So you'd rather "stay here" than fight the security state deploying govt agents to post on DU? Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #76
They don't need government agents on the internet. All they need are willing participants sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #67
Greenwald's personality is really besides the point. geek tragedy Feb 2014 #69
Of course, that is the reason why we need journalists like Greenwald and sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #72
some are agents, some are that agents "personas" questionseverything Feb 2014 #94
The thing about RWers is that they are never conscious enough to realize how transparent Zorra Feb 2014 #41
+1 & LOL. Egalitarian Thug Feb 2014 #46
So you maintain a "list", right? JoePhilly Feb 2014 #110
Who needs any list? I go by the talking points, not the messengers. sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #134
Upton Sinclair 1935 bobduca Feb 2014 #145
Lol, I like that quote ... sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #147
B,but he's a NARCISSIST!!!!!! nt Bonobo Feb 2014 #119
And they also train people to do it for them zeemike Feb 2014 #6
Busted, but no repercussions; like O'keefe and the Acorn fiasco... dougolat Feb 2014 #11
Oh, yeah. It was highly effective. Enthusiast Feb 2014 #25
Effective.... only because the Democratic Party Leadership... bvar22 Feb 2014 #95
Exactly. Enthusiast Feb 2014 #96
Astute post. Really interesting. Thanks. JDPriestly Feb 2014 #175
Well there are a few obvious ones Tumbulu Feb 2014 #7
freedom of the press is a benefit conferred to those who own a press bobduca Feb 2014 #20
That's what is setting off the NSA's efforts to do surveillance and propagandize. JDPriestly Feb 2014 #176
If it's so obvious, then you should have no trouble outing these government agents nt geek tragedy Feb 2014 #37
only a matter of time reddread Feb 2014 #38
It is really not a good idea Aerows Feb 2014 #260
well, well, well. nt grasswire Feb 2014 #8
thank you again, Edward Snowden. nt grasswire Feb 2014 #10
keep this pinned to the top of page 1 reddread Feb 2014 #12
It is coming out, but watch out for the 'explainers' who should be along anytime now. sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #14
We see the results of their work here every day, and it's quite obvious. Marr Feb 2014 #15
put the swooners on Ignore Skittles Feb 2014 #18
better read the comments section. nt grasswire Feb 2014 #17
+1000000000 woo me with science Feb 2014 #26
Yes...interesting read and some nice refresher links from commenters... KoKo Feb 2014 #60
K&R. Of Course we would "never" have them here... Katashi_itto Feb 2014 #24
Yeah, totally ridiculous Puzzledtraveller Feb 2014 #28
DDDD – Deny, Disrupt, Degrade, Deceive Octafish Feb 2014 #27
someone on the comments section.. grasswire Feb 2014 #100
No one's going to get the "Dude" anymore. JackRiddler Feb 2014 #102
Expert professional opinions always have the best facts to guide us jsr Feb 2014 #29
K&R Coyotl Feb 2014 #31
The more you go through it, the uglier it is. nt woo me with science Feb 2014 #32
K&R deutsey Feb 2014 #36
But,but,but....Greenwald and Snowden are jerks, therefoe this doesn't matter Armstead Feb 2014 #39
So you think groups like Anonymous should be free to attack the Internet whenever they wish. randome Feb 2014 #40
Who is a legitmate target of such tactics? rusty fender Feb 2014 #43
That is an excellent question. About time someone asked it. randome Feb 2014 #44
No, nor do I think the giovernment should be able to either Armstead Feb 2014 #49
according to the original leaks questionseverything Feb 2014 #93
up up and away reddread Feb 2014 #45
Kick. /nt Marr Feb 2014 #47
Not quite seeing where the "illegal" part is in all of this... Blue_Tires Feb 2014 #48
Isn't that bad enough? Armstead Feb 2014 #50
So are we ato assume that the gov't the the big bad dog in this Sheepshank Feb 2014 #53
typical false equivalence bobduca Feb 2014 #150
of course I'm stating the possibility exists....did you not read it properly? Sheepshank Feb 2014 #194
Koch, Fox and Beck maybe. But Greenwald? You way overestimate or underestimate him. JDPriestly Feb 2014 #178
THERE IS ALWAYS people out there willing to volunteer for their precious cause Sheepshank Feb 2014 #197
Yes Greenwald has hired HBGary to infiltrate forums and post on his behalf bobduca Feb 2014 #201
Depending on how it is done and for what purpose, it could be fraud, defamation (in the case JDPriestly Feb 2014 #177
Gee, I wonder why they were keeping that secret? Thank you, Edward Snowden. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2014 #51
k&r for exposure. n/t Laelth Feb 2014 #52
HUGE K & R !!! WillyT Feb 2014 #59
Project much, Glennie Glenn? We know that your "disciples" dominate the web. Tarheel_Dem Feb 2014 #68
Too funny. Discredit everyone who criticizes Greenwald. ProSense Feb 2014 #71
Are you saying these documents are fake, and the government isn't actually doing this? /nt Marr Feb 2014 #78
No, ProSense Feb 2014 #80
To borrow a phrase... Marr Feb 2014 #81
LOL! ProSense Feb 2014 #83
Do you think that any of the people posting on DU get paid to do it? JDPriestly Feb 2014 #190
Indeed. I am saying that the U.S. government (including the NSA) isn't actually doing this. ConservativeDemocrat Feb 2014 #140
So... Greenwald just made those documents up? Marr Feb 2014 #143
You actualy will *acknowledge* a fact? ConservativeDemocrat Feb 2014 #154
Look, if this kind of diversionary dissembling is all you're going to offer... Marr Feb 2014 #158
The problem with taking any side for or against Anonymous is that the moniker JDPriestly Feb 2014 #179
And this is a quite excellent post that truly explains Greenwald. This is merely a ramp up to the msanthrope Feb 2014 #209
I keep wondering when the world will figure out that GG is Alex Jones with a better hair stylist. Tarheel_Dem Feb 2014 #86
smear by association :fail bobduca Feb 2014 #149
Right back atcha, big boy. Tarheel_Dem Feb 2014 #196
I made no such attempt to associate Greenwald with a screaming picture of Alex Jones. You did that. bobduca Feb 2014 #202
Fuck Glenn Greenwald & Alex Jones, brothers from another Mother. Tarheel_Dem Feb 2014 #230
repeat the lie, repeat the lie, repeat the lie! bobduca Feb 2014 #231
Ooohhh. Looks like a touched a nerve with one or both of your heroes? Tarheel_Dem Feb 2014 #236
Here's a clue. bobduca Feb 2014 #240
!!! Tarheel_Dem Feb 2014 #249
Lol, right on cue. Am I psychic or what? I love it when I make predictions and they arrive, right sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #244
Quick! Tell us how many US households watch the Kremlin sponsored Russia Today? Tarheel_Dem Feb 2014 #246
So what do you think of the US Government spying on every single American? sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #251
I thought not! Don't ever change sabrina. You are nothing, if not 100% consistent. Tarheel_Dem Feb 2014 #257
I haven't changed. Remember when Dems were OUTRAGED over Bush spying on the American people?? sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #262
Until you can back this up, I'll refrain from taking your interrogation seriously. Tarheel_Dem Feb 2014 #263
Spying on the American People is a crime. Which is why Dems were so outraged sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #264
And "consistently" wrong! Tarheel_Dem Feb 2014 #265
Then you agree NOW with the Government spying on the American people. sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #266
If I say okay, YOU WIN, will that make you go away? Tarheel_Dem Feb 2014 #267
They are alllll up in this thread, aren't they? As usual Number23 Feb 2014 #268
You can't make this shit up! Tarheel_Dem Feb 2014 #270
It's unfortunate that people such as myself who know very little about these topics LanternWaste Feb 2014 #276
Rationalize to who? You? My, my someone's feeling mighty self important today. Talk about "Waste". Tarheel_Dem Feb 2014 #277
Careful, you're going to end up on some one's "list" of JoePhilly Feb 2014 #111
or put on ignore reddread Feb 2014 #112
When they ignore you ... you win. JoePhilly Feb 2014 #127
I don't have anyone on ignore. I am here to exchange information, ideas and points of view, JDPriestly Feb 2014 #180
The fact that the same paranoid clueless crowd lap up these types of threads is proof they wouldn't Number23 Feb 2014 #121
Are you saying you think the documents Greenwald cited are fakes? Marr Feb 2014 #122
I will say the same thing to you that I say every single time you respond to me despite REPEATED Number23 Feb 2014 #123
In other words, you haven't got an answer. Marr Feb 2014 #125
You have been asked REPEATEDLY to leave me alone. You refuse for reasons only you understand Number23 Feb 2014 #126
I will respond to anyone I choose. Marr Feb 2014 #128
You could ask me what the time was and my answer would still be the same Number23 Feb 2014 #136
Again, thank you for your non-answer on the subject of the authenticity of Greenwald's Marr Feb 2014 #137
Spin it as desperately and stupidly as you'd like Number23 Feb 2014 #138
Here's a thought-- don't respond. Marr Feb 2014 #142
Yet ANOTHER request to you to Leave Me Alone. Yet ANOTHER jury verdict that did not go your way Number23 Feb 2014 #155
Are you accusing me of alerting on you? Marr Feb 2014 #156
I am not trying to get you banned. I don't give a damn about anything that you say Number23 Feb 2014 #157
Actually, at this point I'm just wondering if you're constitutionally capable Marr Feb 2014 #159
The only thing "disingenuous" is you trying to pretend that you have anything intelligent to say Number23 Feb 2014 #161
More paranoid accusations. Marr Feb 2014 #164
So "boring" that you WILL NOT leave me the hell alone Number23 Feb 2014 #269
Wow. Not rude and insulting in the least. cui bono Mar 2014 #294
Wow. Not needless, a week late and remarkably pitiful in the least either. Number23 Mar 2014 #295
Just pointing out your hypocrisy. cui bono Mar 2014 #296
Your own hypocricy (not to mention obvious boredom) should be more than enough to keep you Number23 Mar 2014 #297
Your post #15 is pretty clear. JoePhilly Feb 2014 #129
Did I say that? Marr Feb 2014 #131
See, that's how I see some of the disgruntled left OPs here. JoePhilly Feb 2014 #132
It's a reasonable thing to wonder. Marr Feb 2014 #133
The other one is not just idle speculation. The article on another link above JDPriestly Feb 2014 #182
This is the Democratic Underground. It is for opinions of different kinds. We can't learn JDPriestly Feb 2014 #181
They are so fuckin' pathetic, I can't help but scoff at 'em. They don't even know they're being.... Tarheel_Dem Feb 2014 #195
Exactly, Tarheel Bobbie Jo Feb 2014 #223
I have my own definition, but the "Paulites" are here, and they boast about "stoking it up". Tarheel_Dem Feb 2014 #232
+1. The irony is a bit much, IMO. nt ecstatic Feb 2014 #215
He needs a reason for the negative reviews---his book is out on the 25th of March. nt msanthrope Feb 2014 #226
Ask Sibel Edmonds about his loony ass followers. They are the "lunatic fringe". n/t Tarheel_Dem Feb 2014 #238
Sibel got the best of Greenwald. So did Sarah Harrison. msanthrope Feb 2014 #242
Kudos to Sibel Edmonds. She is persistent, and she's not letting up. "Checkbook Journalism".... Tarheel_Dem Feb 2014 #245
Omidyar is going to co-opt Greenwald. Bet on it. nt msanthrope Feb 2014 #271
This post deserves Greatest post status... go west young man Feb 2014 #70
it is THE story of THIS DECADE reddread Feb 2014 #85
Deserves Greatest Page...and lots of daylight... bvar22 Feb 2014 #101
+10000000 woo me with science Feb 2014 #205
So far as reputation, I do not respect big money. hunter Feb 2014 #73
I love your story about your mom! Good for her. She spoke what she felt was right. JDPriestly Feb 2014 #183
again, I urge reading the comments section after that article. grasswire Feb 2014 #74
I Did... it Was a Real Eye-Opener! fascisthunter Feb 2014 #90
Greenwald. LOL...nt SidDithers Feb 2014 #77
SidDithers. LOL... nt hootinholler Feb 2014 #98
Love it! Puglover Feb 2014 #286
Keep quacking.... grasswire Feb 2014 #99
Der Spiegel covering this story. go west young man Feb 2014 #82
After reading the complete article, it occurs to me that all MineralMan Feb 2014 #84
I think that's the point. Not all are so well read as You and I and others who KoKo Feb 2014 #135
It is incompatible with democracy to have the government doing it. JDPriestly Feb 2014 #184
Well, Well, Well... most kinda Knew Something Was Up! fascisthunter Feb 2014 #89
woo me with science.... said the same thing, but so much better: bvar22 Feb 2014 #91
It is surprising to me, sadoldgirl Feb 2014 #97
Yes. As it became evident that the OWS might be shut down perhaps with police brutality, JDPriestly Feb 2014 #185
recommend frwrfpos Feb 2014 #108
this explains the outbreak of snowden lynchings. Warren Stupidity Feb 2014 #113
But we don't have any of those here. pa28 Feb 2014 #114
How would one identify a paid poster? Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #120
That would be difficult. pa28 Feb 2014 #124
Eventually, other DUers would catch on to them. JDPriestly Feb 2014 #187
"Eventually, other DUers would catch on to them" Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #216
You seem upset about the wrong thing LondonReign2 Feb 2014 #239
I seem upset? Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #243
There's this LondonReign2 Feb 2014 #247
I wasn't upset at all Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #252
Goes back to my original point LondonReign2 Feb 2014 #253
Very telling... Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #256
We agree LondonReign2 Feb 2014 #258
An individual violating the law is an unconscionable travesty. Maedhros Feb 2014 #279
I agree. JDPriestly Feb 2014 #186
What a shock! Who knew? Zorra Feb 2014 #115
Fuck our government Vattel Feb 2014 #117
Fuck poor readers... ConservativeDemocrat Feb 2014 #141
Rec,d, those propagandists are right here in this thread too Corruption Inc Feb 2014 #130
Exactly. The ones I suspect of being paid posters don't respond to questions about why JDPriestly Feb 2014 #188
In DC it's called "bipartisanship." blkmusclmachine Feb 2014 #139
K&R DeSwiss Feb 2014 #144
K&RRRR Little_Wing Feb 2014 #146
They're not that covert to me. They're not hard to spot if they're talking, like here on DU. nt ChisolmTrailDem Feb 2014 #148
Blue links n/t Pastiche423 Feb 2014 #151
Woops! No names please. JDPriestly Feb 2014 #189
"YOU MAKE NO SENSE". sibelian Feb 2014 #191
I think a significant chunk of my IGNORE list has just been explained..... mike_c Feb 2014 #152
K&R bobduca Feb 2014 #165
Why does this surprise anyone? davekriss Feb 2014 #168
it doesnt reddread Feb 2014 #193
They are certainly flailing. woo me with science Feb 2014 #208
6. Accusing Greenwald of hiring astroturfers / HBGary to "character asassinate" his critics. bobduca Feb 2014 #234
Bwah! woo me with science Mar 2014 #310
Pretty limited repertoire. What a crappy singing school. jsr Feb 2014 #241
K&R woo me with science Feb 2014 #192
At least he is finally admitting whi he is! whistler162 Feb 2014 #199
I'm not following you. Maedhros Feb 2014 #280
This same thing is posted on DU every 8-12 months. nt stevenleser Feb 2014 #200
link reddread Feb 2014 #203
Here's proof. And you understand the difference between predicting and disproving something, right? stevenleser Feb 2014 #204
so is it ct or is it old news? questionseverything Feb 2014 #206
Both. As I proved, the suggestion keeps getting posted here, and the idea is ridiculous. stevenleser Feb 2014 #210
what provocateurs? reddread Feb 2014 #224
please be exact questionseverything Feb 2014 #227
staking it all right through the heart of the matter reddread Feb 2014 #211
Yep, like anti-vax it's old AND it's ct. stevenleser Feb 2014 #221
predictable reddread Feb 2014 #207
It's either been posted before or it hasn't. It's predictability is irrelevant. nt stevenleser Feb 2014 #219
Wait a minute. So before there was documentary evidence, it was paranoia, and now that there IS Marr Feb 2014 #272
perceptive n/t reddread Feb 2014 #273
Gotta love the dismissal of the evidence in the defense of neverforget Feb 2014 #285
There are all kinds TBF Feb 2014 #214
When something is asserted to be new or special or unique? Yes. nt stevenleser Feb 2014 #220
Where is the commentary making those assertions? TBF Feb 2014 #228
Right there. In Steve's comments. Romulox Feb 2014 #233
Proving what, exactly? Romulox Feb 2014 #217
Damage control. nt Zorra Feb 2014 #248
Pssst.....Glenn's book is out March 25th. He's trying to innoculate himself from criticism. nt msanthrope Feb 2014 #212
Sort of like the attempts to destroy Pres. Obama's reputation? ecstatic Feb 2014 #213
Shhhh, only posts in favor of Obama can be bad. Didn't you get the memo? stevenleser Feb 2014 #222
Never! True, our gov't secretly kills US citizens with drones. But disrupt the internet? Never! nt Romulox Feb 2014 #218
there is a big difference between stopping lies, vs. spreading false information JPZenger Feb 2014 #235
WMD's n/t reddread Feb 2014 #237
kick woo me with science Feb 2014 #274
another........! KoKo Feb 2014 #275
Important. woo me with science Mar 2014 #288
I have here in my hand a LIST! nt Bobbie Jo Mar 2014 #289
Kick for a reminder of the propaganda in our midst. woo me with science Mar 2014 #290
warmongering, overthrowing, assassinating machinery reddread Mar 2014 #291
Thank you. woo me with science Mar 2014 #293
This slide from the GG piece is exemplified by the tactics/behavior of the likely parties. hedda_foil Mar 2014 #298
kick woo me with science Mar 2014 #299
up up and away reddread Mar 2014 #300
Kicking for paranoia-fueled hilariy Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #301
ever been spied upon? reddread Mar 2014 #302
kicking for scaredy cats reddread Mar 2014 #306
There's a word for this: psyops TroglodyteScholar Mar 2014 #303
except in CNN reddread Mar 2014 #304
You can spot them by their shared emoticon Capt. Obvious Mar 2014 #305
kick woo me with science Mar 2014 #307
Recommend! KoKo Mar 2014 #308
kick woo me with science Mar 2014 #309
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