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Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
78. Well, your selections don't tell the truth.
Mon Feb 24, 2014, 11:47 PM
Feb 2014

1) They establish that a hard-right party (Svoboda) is on board with the protests.

2) Svoboda's a real piece of work, but calling it "neo-nazi" is a bit of hyperbole.

3) That this small party is included among the rubric of "the opposition" does not characterize the opposition as a whole. That's the kind of logic that says all people participating in occupy protests are rapists because of some rapes that occurred.

And before you have a frothing fit, I'm not on a "side" - I have no idea what to make of these protests one way or another. But your assertion here is as silly as a thread from a few days ago asserting that Justin Bieber's haircut made him a hitlerjugend.

It appearts that ultra RW factions have successfully overthrown democratically elected governments kelliekat44 Feb 2014 #1
The neo-cons are having a field day malaise Feb 2014 #2
Damn Obama! AAO Feb 2014 #3
Wasn't that Nancy's job in the House n/t malaise Feb 2014 #4
No. It would have been the Attorney General, Eric Holder Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #6
Yes, - I was just imitating a teabagger response to anything going wrong. AAO Feb 2014 #137
The neo-cons were hired by Yunokovych's government. Anyone with half a brain has already okaawhatever Feb 2014 #25
John McCain met with the leaders of Svoboda: freshwest Feb 2014 #91
Of course the article doesn't mention that Arseniy Yatsenyuk is the member of the largest political okaawhatever Feb 2014 #103
I thought my links were good, Telegraph, BBC and Reutiers. But what are neo-cons and people that are freshwest Feb 2014 #140
What the hell are you talking about?? madinmaryland Feb 2014 #5
Well, apparently neo-nazis have seized control in Ukraine or something. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #13
I heard it was a carton of 'Neopolitan' ice cream. (yes, sic, I know.) nt Common Sense Party Feb 2014 #37
I'm always ready to mix neo-cons with neo-nazis and neo-feudalists like Rand. All the same to me. freshwest Feb 2014 #89
Who Coulda Known? The Syria Playbook? KoKo Feb 2014 #7
The protestors (led by that prime minister lady that didn't get re-elected) Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #8
Someone was feeding the frenzy malaise Feb 2014 #9
Yes, that prime minister that didn't get re-elected. Yulia whatever-her-name and her fans nt Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #14
Sweet Jesus, Yulia Timoshenko, not whats-her-name maxsolomon Feb 2014 #34
Yes, she. And her fans. They propelled this, with the aid of the EU and the U.S. Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #38
She propelled it from a prison hospital with an injured back? maxsolomon Feb 2014 #43
Of course. How do leaders propel things? By duplicating themselves into thousands? nt Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #45
I saw her speak from the wheelchair after her supporters got her out of jail/prison. freshwest Feb 2014 #139
it was in a report i read in the NYT maxsolomon Feb 2014 #143
This is a better video than the one I saw last night: freshwest Feb 2014 #144
I don't care for her, but some sources say she and Putin used to work well together. freshwest Feb 2014 #90
She wasn't re-elected. Then there was an issue of corruption. Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #135
Yes, much better if they just do whatever Uncle Pootie tells him. Adrahil Feb 2014 #16
Please translate n/t malaise Feb 2014 #19
Fixed. Stupid iPad. Adrahil Feb 2014 #23
Radical anarchists collaborating with Neo-Nazis? Throd Feb 2014 #17
A few started it, then the real nuts (fascists) got involved, and the rest is history and hell nt Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #18
Perhaps Ukrainians would rather have a functioning democracy versus Putin's vassal state. Throd Feb 2014 #27
Instead, they have Neo-Nazi chaos. nt Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #30
Perhaps you should try a more reliable source for your info. Any of the reputable international news okaawhatever Feb 2014 #20
Alternet, perhaps? Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #35
Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! malaise Feb 2014 #42
+1. nt. polly7 Feb 2014 #48
I don't consider Alternet a reliable source. Yes the ultra nationalists group is participating in okaawhatever Feb 2014 #49
No? What do you consider a reliable source? Any source that agrees with your premise? nt Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #54
No, Reuters, The Associated Press, New York Times, The Economist................nt okaawhatever Feb 2014 #107
The corporate entities whose intent is to hide what's really going? nt Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #134
They're fascists. And they're in coalition with two center-right parties, making them the majority El_Johns Feb 2014 #86
Svoboda is not the majority. They aren't the majority in the opposition even. The majority of the okaawhatever Feb 2014 #108
The coalition that includes Svobada is the majority. As was perfectly obvious/ El_Johns Feb 2014 #112
You don't consider Alternet a reliable source -- why is that? You think it's in bed with Putin? El_Johns Feb 2014 #114
Alternet is an often unreliable / iffy source. Quantess Feb 2014 #132
Articles on Alternet are only as good as their authors. The article in reference doesn't provide okaawhatever Feb 2014 #152
Good points there! What is Alternet's angle in promoting Russian PR, though? freshwest Feb 2014 #159
If you dont consider Alternet a reliable source, what do you consider? CNN? ABC? nm rhett o rick Feb 2014 #146
According the the Alternet article.... Jeff In Milwaukee Feb 2014 #53
But would 30% be neo-Nazis? El_Johns Feb 2014 #83
The article pretty much lumped them together Jeff In Milwaukee Feb 2014 #105
The alternet article has zero credibility and I think your pointing out that they're saying the same okaawhatever Feb 2014 #109
I generally like Alternet... Jeff In Milwaukee Feb 2014 #110
because you say so? El_Johns Feb 2014 #122
Why would western powers back any kind of Nazi? FFS, WW2! And we're accused by the RWNJs of freshwest Feb 2014 #153
Because sometimes you don't get the luxury of picking your friends...(nt) Jeff In Milwaukee Feb 2014 #155
I don't see the analogy between Ukrainians fighting it out and Americans invading freshwest Feb 2014 #161
For those that dream of revolution to throw off the chains of oppression, take notice. rhett o rick Feb 2014 #10
Kafka... Jeff In Milwaukee Feb 2014 #51
Those who confuse democracy and chains of oppression deserve what they get. Coyotl Feb 2014 #127
You must be responding to the wrong post. "when you cheer on anarchy destroying a stable nation." rhett o rick Feb 2014 #141
This malaise Feb 2014 #148
We wish to tear down all governments that we dont have in our pocket and replace them with rhett o rick Feb 2014 #149
.......... Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #11
Isn't that second pic The Cat from Red Dwarf? Loved that series. n/t freshwest Feb 2014 #150
Great, but I saw some duers cheering this on quinnox Feb 2014 #12
No, some of us have bothered to learn the truth. I suggest you do the same. nt okaawhatever Feb 2014 #22
I just did a google search "neo-nazis" and "ukraine" and got tons of hits quinnox Feb 2014 #26
I just did a google search of "neo-nazis" and "Democratic Underground." Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #29
"Neo-nazis" and "Olive Garden": Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #36
Neo-Nazis + Diapers = 8,570,000 hits Throd Feb 2014 #47
Brilliant. I wonder what would happen if you did neo-Nazi and Republican party.........nt okaawhatever Feb 2014 #50
Aw, c'mon fuckin' nazi! Dr. Strange Feb 2014 #71
Well, he is a skinhead. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #76
Neo-Nazi and Pepperoni Pizza Vinnie From Indy Feb 2014 #84
Just goes to show how hard Putin's propaganda machine is working. I noticed most of the claims about okaawhatever Feb 2014 #46
Neo-nazis and African Traditional Music turns up nearly 2 million results. Kurska Feb 2014 #63
As a Jew, I find it incredibly offensive that you throw that term around with zero understanding. nt Kurska Feb 2014 #15
I select my own words malaise Feb 2014 #24
Opposing Russian Hegemony doesn't make you a neo-nazi Kurska Feb 2014 #28
For some around here it does. Throd Feb 2014 #32
What term? Neo-Nazi? Is there another term that should be used perhaps? nt Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #55
Yeah this guy is totally a Neo-Nazi what was I thinking Kurska Feb 2014 #59
Um, no, he's not. But there are Neo-Nazis going crazy on the streets of Ukraine... Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #65
Please find me a single credibly link detailing how the Neo-Nazis have seized control in the Ukraine Kurska Feb 2014 #68
I've posted two already, but your side doesn't like my selections. nt Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #69
Yeah Ukraine just absolutely crawlin with Nazis right now. Kurska Feb 2014 #72
And you're right in the thick of that wonderful wonderland, right? That's how you know so much Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #73
Well, your selections don't tell the truth. Scootaloo Feb 2014 #78
Actually, many people agree with me. The net is filled with this info., so why would you think Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #79
Truth is not a popularity contest Scootaloo Feb 2014 #82
No, you're right about that. But truth is somewhere, right? And who has it? Is it you? Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #136
I dunno, but it's not the people screaming that Ukraine has been taken over by neo-nazis Scootaloo Feb 2014 #147
Say you, claiming that *you* are the correct one. Didn't work. Try again. nt Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #154
Yulia Tymoshenko was accused of being a secret Jew in the last election. EmilyAnne Feb 2014 #87
As a Jew, you should be aware that the Ukranian collaboraters helped massacre Ukranian Jews by Warren Stupidity Feb 2014 #56
I wasn't aware Nazism was genetically transferred n/t Kurska Feb 2014 #57
You should be aware that there is a long history fascist sympathy in the region. Warren Stupidity Feb 2014 #58
I'm actually a minor scholar on the eastern front of world war II Kurska Feb 2014 #61
so had I said "all of the ukranian opposition are neo nazis" you might have a point. Warren Stupidity Feb 2014 #64
Um you are aware you're posting in a thread that claims the Neo-nazis seized control? Kurska Feb 2014 #66
Again, is it your claimn that there are no fascist groups in the opposition? Warren Stupidity Feb 2014 #67
There are Neo-Nazis opposed to smoking. Kurska Feb 2014 #70
So you agree that there are neo-nazi groups in the opposition. Warren Stupidity Feb 2014 #95
Are you a white American? Scootaloo Feb 2014 #80
Yeah well I don't deny we have a sordid history and a problematic present. Warren Stupidity Feb 2014 #96
I find your lack of understanding history in Ukraine offensive frwrfpos Feb 2014 #75
You mean like this guy? Kurska Feb 2014 #77
As others have noted, probably referring the Svoboda party Scootaloo Feb 2014 #85
recommend frwrfpos Feb 2014 #21
Can I inquire as to your source for this? Because while I know that there are some TwilightGardener Feb 2014 #31
Peace-loving Government troops firing on the "neo-Nazis' brooklynite Feb 2014 #33
Why should the Ukraine not be in trade zones with both the EU and Russia? I'm sure that applegrove Feb 2014 #39
I'm not sure why the two trade markets can't work together. They have to iron this out. Russia's gas freshwest Feb 2014 #145
Sudstream... go west young man Feb 2014 #158
Thank you, that was very informative and I checked out Gasprom as well. I try to take such factors freshwest Feb 2014 #160
Is the U.S. Backing Neo-Nazis in Ukraine? Zorra Feb 2014 #40
Um.....no. You're extremely wrong. jeff47 Feb 2014 #41
Wrong (nt) bigwillq Feb 2014 #44
ROFLMAO. Brickbat Feb 2014 #52
Source nadinbrzezinski Feb 2014 #60
Pravda comrade Kurska Feb 2014 #62
Several sources malaise Feb 2014 #92
Thanks nadinbrzezinski Feb 2014 #133
Radio Armenia Bad Thoughts Feb 2014 #99
You apparently don't read anything. kwassa Feb 2014 #74
Wow, I only belatedly realized this thread wasn't satire. tritsofme Feb 2014 #81
The stupid is strong with many here Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #88
They want to discredit the uprising so they invent reasons why we shouldn't like it. stevenleser Feb 2014 #113
Thankfully....your incessant insults... go west young man Feb 2014 #162
As I understand it, the interim President is a member of the All-Ukrainian Union "Fatherland" party justiceischeap Feb 2014 #93
Facts. Acting president/PM, finance minister, interior minister - none are from Svoboda muriel_volestrangler Feb 2014 #94
bzzt. fail. simplistic and uniformed. and I'm someone who has posted cali Feb 2014 #97
Svoboda Warren Stupidity Feb 2014 #98
Doesn't change the fact they're not even close to the majority party in the country. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #101
"No one's denying Svoboda's there" Warren Stupidity Feb 2014 #102
They're not a major factor in the opposition. And they certainly haven't "seized power". Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #104
They're in a formal coalition with two centre right parties and the coalition IS the majority El_Johns Feb 2014 #115
Right, but they're not even the bulk of the coalition. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #117
They're in formal coalition and have been since 2012. El_Johns Feb 2014 #119
Do you understand parliamentary politics? Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #123
I understand very well. It does mean that there's quid pro quo, however. El_Johns Feb 2014 #125
But the insinuation that fascists and neo-nazis are leading the shots is just not documented. nt Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #131
We don't really know who's calling the shots, do we? El_Johns Feb 2014 #156
I'm forced to conclude that person does not understand parliamentary politics. stevenleser Feb 2014 #129
That is not Svoboda: okaawhatever Feb 2014 #106
Yankees OilemFirchen Feb 2014 #111
I love it when the argument goes from "there are no nazis, that's just stupid" to Warren Stupidity Feb 2014 #142
Posts 93 and 94 for the win. The interim President is not from Svoboda. NeoNazis are not in charge stevenleser Feb 2014 #100
They're in a formal political coalition with the party of the interim president and Tymoshenko's El_Johns Feb 2014 #116
There are several big problems with your assertion. stevenleser Feb 2014 #121
My assertion is a fact. It's also a fact that 'pro-west' sections of Ukraine are also the sections El_Johns Feb 2014 #124
No, it's not. It WAS a fact. Everything is changing now. nt stevenleser Feb 2014 #126
What are the 'new' facts? El_Johns Feb 2014 #128
I reiterate Carcetti's question to you above. Do you understand Parliamentary politics? stevenleser Feb 2014 #130
I believe I already answered that question. El_Johns Feb 2014 #157
He's a Baptist according to the Southern Baptist Convention. Lars39 Feb 2014 #165
The communist view is that this TBF Feb 2014 #118
The west is also the stronghold of Svoboda. El_Johns Feb 2014 #120
Only in John McCain's wet dreams. bullwinkle428 Feb 2014 #138
If that is true, and Ukraine can't push them out, I do not think Russia will just sit by lostincalifornia Feb 2014 #151
Well it's not actually true. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #163
I was skeptical, and didn't think it was true, thanks. Also, unfortunately, looking at what Putin lostincalifornia Feb 2014 #164
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