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26. It Also Wholly Ignores The Economic Factors, Sir

Thu Mar 22, 2012, 01:02 PM

Mar 2012

German need for raw materials, and a way around English blockade, were the leading benefits sought by Hitler in the pact, along with seeing to it the war remained a 'one front' rather than a 'two front' affair.

Fighting on the ground at Nomonhan was over by the start of September, though there were still some clashes in the air, if recollection serves.

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If Hitler hadn't attacked the USSR, would the USSR have maintained its secret pact with the Nazis? [View all] Boojatta Mar 2012 OP

Definitely, at least in the medium-term. hifiguy Mar 2012 #1

Zhuov was far off in the east. OPOS Mar 2012 #14

Ah, that explains a few things. hifiguy Mar 2012 #15

Kiev mackattack Mar 2012 #19

He was In Charge At Nomonhan, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2012 #21

Stalin Planned To Break It Late In '42, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2012 #2

Hitler was terribly naive and cthulu2016 Mar 2012 #5

Try Messers. Reed And Fisher's 'The Deadly Embrace: Hitler, Stalin, And The Nazi-Soviet Pact' The Magistrate Mar 2012 #7

The point is that "Deadly Embrace" is cthulu2016 Mar 2012 #54

So What, Sir? The Magistrate Mar 2012 #55

Whatever "much of" modern scholarship is, cthulu2016 Mar 2012 #57

Does the earlier book still parrot the belief that winter saved Moscow? ieoeja Mar 2012 #60

No, Sir, It Is Hardly A Reprise Of Carroll's 'Hitler Strikes East' The Magistrate Mar 2012 #65

That's not a correct assessment of the Polish campaign RZM Mar 2012 #23

It Also Wholly Ignores The Economic Factors, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2012 #26

I believe the campaign was formally over by Sept. 15 RZM Mar 2012 #30

Thank You, Sir: I Am Away From My Books At Present, and Cruising On Memory The Magistrate Mar 2012 #32

It doesn't ignore them cthulu2016 Mar 2012 #44

Oddly, we are not disagreeing much cthulu2016 Mar 2012 #33

England And France Did Regard Soviet Russia as An Enemy Power Prior To Barbarossa, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2012 #39

Yes, but they were not at war cthulu2016 Mar 2012 #46

There Were Serious Plans A-Foot To Attack Soviet Territory, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2012 #47

Of course, sir, but would not have preferred to fight both cthulu2016 Mar 2012 #50

Indeed, Sir, Not So Much Arguing as Providing Complementary Views And Supplementary Facts The Magistrate Mar 2012 #53

All one has to do with England is neutralize the navy cthulu2016 Mar 2012 #56

Air Forces, Circa 1940s, Sir, Trump Navies, and Decisively The Magistrate Mar 2012 #58

I would have hated to mount the invasion of Sicily with air power cthulu2016 Mar 2012 #59

This Sort Of Thing Cannot Be Settled, Sir, Obviously, But Here Are a Few Further Thoughts The Magistrate Mar 2012 #64

Is that some kind of Eastern thing? Son of Gob Mar 2012 #16

Part of the reason Germany advanced so far so fast cthulu2016 Mar 2012 #3

Soviet Russia, Sir, Was In Nothing Remotely Resembling An Offensive Posture In The Summer Of '41 The Magistrate Mar 2012 #8

But it is true that Soviet military doctrine was offensive in nature RZM Mar 2012 #40

Everyone's was, Sir, and Just About Always has Been The Magistrate Mar 2012 #41

Of course 'posture' and 'doctrine' aren't the same thing RZM Mar 2012 #43

Von Moeltke The Elder, Sir, Was One Of the Few To Riddle the Matter Properly In the Modern Era The Magistrate Mar 2012 #45

I have read... cthulu2016 Mar 2012 #52

As you wish cthulu2016 Mar 2012 #51

Probably, at least until the Soviets saw an advantage in stabbing Hitler in the back. razorman Mar 2012 #4

probably not, based on what I've read DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2012 #6

Nazi Germany would have won the war and conquered Europe hifiguy Mar 2012 #9

Stalin wasn't surprised that Hitler invaded, he was surprised that he did so in 1941 RZM Mar 2012 #17

Well Put, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2012 #20

Yes cthulu2016 Mar 2012 #48

I remember reading once RZM Mar 2012 #49

The great battle was always going to be between Facism and Communism FarCenter Mar 2012 #10

If there had been no Soviet Union, would the U.S. have saved & imported so many Nazi war criminals? WinkyDink Mar 2012 #11

Never. The OSS scooped up so many top Nazis hifiguy Mar 2012 #18

Stalin knew that the pact wouldn't last forever RZM Mar 2012 #12

Stalin did indeed trust Hitler brentspeak Mar 2012 #22

That is completely false RZM Mar 2012 #25

With all due respect, I think you are mistaken brentspeak Mar 2012 #29

Actually RZM Mar 2012 #35

Are we so sure that Stalin expected to be fighting Nazi Germany? brentspeak Mar 2012 #38

He did envision a possible confrontation with the West RZM Mar 2012 #42

Trust Is Not Quite The Right Word, Sir, Certainly Not In the Sense Of having Faith In His Word The Magistrate Mar 2012 #34

Probably. However, was the alliance really secret? Cleita Mar 2012 #13

Michael Parenti said USSR was forced into the non-aggression pact with Germany... Octafish Mar 2012 #24

Just A Friendly Note, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2012 #27

Stalin offered to join the Axis in November 1940 RZM Mar 2012 #28

What if Britain and France had not declared war on Germany after the invasion of Poland? FarCenter Mar 2012 #31

It was Hitler's annexation of Bohemia and Moravia in 1939 RZM Mar 2012 #37

The Tsar abdicated in March 1917, so the Eastern Front was pretty much over by then FarCenter Mar 2012 #61

Russian troops were still fighting when the February Revolution happened RZM Mar 2012 #63

I've truly enjoyed reading this thread. Thank you!! Solly Mack Mar 2012 #36

Hitler needed the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact to stab Stalin in the back MrScorpio Mar 2012 #62