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It does not matter...... Logical Mar 2012 #1
I'm totally talking out of my ass, because I'm not a lawyer, but... Bicoastal Mar 2012 #6
I agree with you that this is a tough case to prove...... Logical Mar 2012 #12
But...I've noticed over the years that many are willing to believe a man accused of rape... Honeycombe8 Mar 2012 #32
Yes, and he out weighed the kid by 100 pounds. Hard to believe he was worried about his.... Logical Mar 2012 #34
People make such a big deal out of weight. Honeycombe8 Mar 2012 #44
I realize size is not all that matters. But I have trouble believing Zimmerman felt scared. Logical Mar 2012 #50
Me, too. Esp since he was armed. nt Honeycombe8 Mar 2012 #64
Zimmerman is 28 starroute Mar 2012 #75
It's very likely Zimmerfuck did it to himself Taverner Mar 2012 #57
my thought too Broderick Mar 2012 #80
yes. he stated he was following. he was told not to and he did anyways seabeyond Mar 2012 #14
The 911 dispatcher told Zimmerman to not follow the victim rustydog Mar 2012 #33
Exactly. Noodleboy13 Mar 2012 #7
Wrong cthulu2016 Mar 2012 #41
A Knife? Well hell yes. Wow! But if someone parked in your spot and you get out of the car.... Logical Mar 2012 #47
What if they pull a bag of skittles and a can of iced tea on you? Shoot them? uppityperson Mar 2012 #69
Major Whole in your theory. Two witnesses called 911 reporting Zimmerman's actions. NOT only Justice wanted Mar 2012 #2
So hopefully it doesn't matter who threw the first punch, right? Bicoastal Mar 2012 #10
My guess: Zimmerman tried to "detain him until police arrived" arcane1 Mar 2012 #18
WHAT RIGHT DID ZIMMERMAN HAD TO DETAIN HIM?! Trayvon was on a PUBLIC street! I'm tired Justice wanted Mar 2012 #26
+1, there have been other stories with the premise that these "authorities" have the right uponit7771 Mar 2012 #51
Technically, it was a private street but that does not make a difference csziggy Mar 2012 #58
That's just it. The streets to get to the houses are really public because not just ONE person own Justice wanted Mar 2012 #61
He had no right whatsoever to detain him! n/t arcane1 Mar 2012 #53
+1 X_Digger Mar 2012 #28
+1. and he had no right to detain the kid, either. MADem Mar 2012 #37
That's what I thought about this story from day 1 too. chrisa Mar 2012 #39
THIS IS A CHILD being stalked by a man! but YOU ONLY SEE BLACK AND WHITE! Justice wanted Mar 2012 #24
Yes, I was very upset when they were calling him a man when this first started. This was a child. jwirr Mar 2012 #84
If some man approached me carrying a gun, I'd try to run. If he kept stalking me, I'd hit out too uppityperson Mar 2012 #70
Is there something that indicates Zimmerman was brandishing? X_Digger Mar 2012 #71
Well, he certainly had it out in his hand before he shot. "brandishing" is not specific enough, true uppityperson Mar 2012 #72
As far as I can recall, none of the witnesses who saw Zimmerman on top of Martin mentioned a gun. X_Digger Mar 2012 #73
It's the kid who was screaming for help in the 911 call background. aquart Mar 2012 #3
Self inflicted Politicalboi Mar 2012 #4
Maybe a family member hit him with a cast iron pan because he's an idiot. nt MADem Mar 2012 #38
They said he did have some calls on domestic violence from a former fiance. Maybe his wife gateley Mar 2012 #65
That's what I was thinking. vaberella Mar 2012 #89
But witnesses say there wasn't fight. Glimmer of Hope Mar 2012 #5
Perpetrators injure themselves more frequently Mariana Mar 2012 #68
Could be that Trayvon defended himself successfully and got away (almost) arcane1 Mar 2012 #8
The point is, there should have been a thorough police investigation. MoonRiver Mar 2012 #9
The girlfriend thing makes me so mad... Bicoastal Mar 2012 #11
Criminally negligent and maybe worse. MoonRiver Mar 2012 #15
Whose blood was on Zimmerman's clothes? mysuzuki2 Mar 2012 #13
So many balls dropped here XanaDUer Mar 2012 #16
Yes, Zimmerman's clothes should have been forensically examined csziggy Mar 2012 #60
This is what Chief Bill Lee said. Life Long Dem Mar 2012 #17
That dog don't hunt. Bicoastal Mar 2012 #20
Yeah it doesn't make sense. Life Long Dem Mar 2012 #21
Hmmm problem with that statement is that Trayvon's girl friend -who was on the phone with Trayvon Justice wanted Mar 2012 #29
+1 uponit7771 Mar 2012 #52
the 911 tapes completely disprove that theory frylock Mar 2012 #35
Trayvon seems to have lost Zimmerman Life Long Dem Mar 2012 #76
If Zimmerman laid hands on Martin to detain him, or took the first swing- no. X_Digger Mar 2012 #78
zimmerman was clearly the instigator therefore losing any right to claim self defense.. frylock Mar 2012 #93
Isn't this a gated community? Where are the surveillance tapes? Seems such a paranoid area would Mnemosyne Mar 2012 #19
If they was never medically examined it could have been Trayvon's blood. alphafemale Mar 2012 #22
Or it could have been from hitting his head on a cupboard the day before. uppityperson Mar 2012 #27
how do we know there was a wound ? JI7 Mar 2012 #23
Exactly KT2000 Mar 2012 #25
Bingo. Police normally photograph that stuff. savalez Mar 2012 #36
True, the police dept isn't on the up and up uponit7771 Mar 2012 #54
so, he hit his head bigtree Mar 2012 #30
Go ask Zimmerman. Major Hogwash Mar 2012 #31
It bothers me too... Joseph8th Mar 2012 #40
The hobby argument doesn't fly either... Joseph8th Mar 2012 #42
REPEAL THE 2ND AMENDMENT. nt Joseph8th Mar 2012 #43
If Trayvon hit his sorry racist ass hard enough, be could have hit his head on the way down. morningfog Mar 2012 #45
Did you also happen to hear the police recording, where Zimmerman was told Th1onein Mar 2012 #46
A good prosecutor would rip apart a wound defense. bluestate10 Mar 2012 #48
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The shooting took place more than a few yards from where a vehicle could be csziggy Mar 2012 #55
Was this "noticeable wound" a backwards B? n/t gkhouston Mar 2012 #56
I think it was a backwards N. nt gateley Mar 2012 #59
I'm not a lawyer. But say you initiate a fistfight, because you're a racist. Nye Bevan Mar 2012 #62
In Florida? Maybe.. X_Digger Mar 2012 #66
The 911 tapes record the sounds of a young person screaming for his life. yardwork Mar 2012 #77
Right, which means he can't avail himself of this defense. X_Digger Mar 2012 #79
So far he hasn't been asked to defend his actions. The police chose not to press charges. yardwork Mar 2012 #83
Have you ever been on a grand jury? X_Digger Mar 2012 #87
I hope you're right. yardwork Mar 2012 #88
Someone fighting for their life can exhibit amazing strength Canuckistanian Mar 2012 #63
If a hospital admittance report shows up ... frazzled Mar 2012 #67
Finally sonmeone in this thread spouts the obvious... trumad Mar 2012 #90
Just a thought - would any of us not defend ourselves if some guy stalks us and does not identify jwirr Mar 2012 #74
I dont suppose they tested the blood on his head.... Evasporque Mar 2012 #81
Let me simplify it for you. Ganja Ninja Mar 2012 #82
That's why we have trials. n/t DefenseLawyer Mar 2012 #85
Police are saying Zimmerman wasn't confronting Trayvon when Trayvon attacked Zimmerman. Life Long Dem Mar 2012 #86
That makes no sense. vaberella Mar 2012 #91
the police look like they're either covering or derelict, which is it? newspeak Mar 2012 #94
Trayvon was on the phone with this girlfriend when the girl heard a scuffle before it went dead. vaberella Mar 2012 #92
The longer this murderer remains loose EmeraldCityGrl Mar 2012 #95
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