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JackRiddler

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76. So? This is true of most governments.

Reply to Tommy_Carcetti (Reply #28)

Thu Feb 20, 2014, 04:09 PM

Feb 2014

Does it justify a violent overthrow by a movement that includes neo-Nazis at its head?

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What the Mainstream Media isn't telling you about the situation in Kiev. [View all] MattSh Feb 2014 OP

Thanks for the info. octoberlib Feb 2014 #1

This message was self-deleted by its author kag Feb 2014 #13

According to Victoria Nuland, US State Dept MattSh Feb 2014 #21

The oil sheiks are behind the fascist turn to the right across the globe. loudsue Feb 2014 #36

Welcome to the new "Cold War" newthinking Feb 2014 #59

Smells like the BFEE... greytdemocrat Feb 2014 #2

Once McCain got involved I knew something was wrong uponit7771 Feb 2014 #3

"Smirk. Sneer" - Johnny McC (RepugliCrank) Berlum Feb 2014 #4

McCaincer standing next to NeoNazi leader Oleh Tyahnybok kenny blankenship Feb 2014 #32

When I saw that as a news source 2naSalit Feb 2014 #53

Yep, that's always been a dead give away for me as well. n/t freshwest Feb 2014 #37

k&r Puzzledtraveller Feb 2014 #5

Paul Craig Roberts, co creator of Reanomics and Alex Jones Show guest.... Bluenorthwest Feb 2014 #6

had exactly the that impact on me. cali Feb 2014 #14

Agreed. For one, there's an analysis of what joining the EU does to the country, but not a okaawhatever Feb 2014 #43

Paul Craig Roberts writes for Rense and Are_grits_groceries Feb 2014 #7

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! malaise Feb 2014 #8

Exactly! Sssh! this is a Democratic site! kenny blankenship Feb 2014 #33

Don't polls show that a plurality of Ukrainians prefer a closer association with the EU rather than pampango Feb 2014 #9

It's about 50/50 MattSh Feb 2014 #15

"A poll conducted October 2-15, 2013 by GfK Ukraine showed three times as many Ukrainians favoring pampango Feb 2014 #24

How about you present the numbers without the spin? JackRiddler Feb 2014 #65

The "3-to-1 slam-dunk" I presented clearly compared those favoring an EU agreement (44%) to those pampango Feb 2014 #66

You're deflecting. JackRiddler Feb 2014 #69

That's your interpretation. I posted the actual poll results which shows that less than 50% support pampango Feb 2014 #72

Same deflection, second time. JackRiddler Feb 2014 #75

Deflection is apparently a two-way street. You're not contradicting anything I posted. pampango Feb 2014 #80

Yes, but at this point it is against the anti-protest law. joshcryer Feb 2014 #56

Paul Craig Roberts is a batshit crazy bigot. geek tragedy Feb 2014 #10

But, clocks! And I rec'd it for the part prior to the Father of Reaganomics there... n/t freshwest Feb 2014 #38

This is pure bullshit. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #11

Quite frankly, if you want to argue against someone who is arguing that a protest is fascist Fred Sanders Feb 2014 #12

With Yanukovych, anything legitimate is suspect. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #16

Of course, they're not exactly MY claims. MattSh Feb 2014 #17

You have to understand I have family members who have been involved in the protests. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #22

Thailand, Venezuela and Ukraine protestors ALL cite "corruption" to overthrow recently elected Fred Sanders Feb 2014 #27

Corruption in the Ukrainian government is very well-documented. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #28

Exactly my point. It is also well documented in Thailand and Venezuela and in Egypt, but the Fred Sanders Feb 2014 #29

Um, it didn't become violent until they passed the anti-protest law. joshcryer Feb 2014 #55

It's documented in the US government too. Tell me a government that doesn't have well documented El_Johns Feb 2014 #47

So? This is true of most governments. JackRiddler Feb 2014 #76

At its head? Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #77

Do you read English? JackRiddler Feb 2014 #81

And you clearly are ever so versed in charm and interpersonal skills. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #82

I wrote what I wrote... JackRiddler Feb 2014 #83

You are quite possibly the most insufferable (jerk) I have met in all my years at DU. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #84

Shoot. I can't get it to load. Don't know what's wrong. Is it for subscribers only? n/t freshwest Feb 2014 #40

Should work. Try again. nt Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #68

I smelled a rat when the EU terms came out. Demeter Feb 2014 #18

Thank you for some much needed information and for the other posts on this thread.. mountain grammy Feb 2014 #19

I'm with you, mountain grammy. This situation is incomprehensible. JDPriestly Feb 2014 #26

Thanks for this post. redqueen Feb 2014 #20

+1 JVS Feb 2014 #34

I think that is a very wise way to begin assessing things these days. nt stillwaiting Feb 2014 #45

+1. The only protesters who aren't 1) ignored or 2) framed as lawless malcontents are the ones the El_Johns Feb 2014 #48

Maybe they aren't actually lawless malcontents. nt Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #67

I've already read about this BS PatrynXX Feb 2014 #23

tell this BS to the Baltic peoples. quadrature Feb 2014 #25

And then there is this... Adrahil Feb 2014 #30

Valuable perspective pscot Feb 2014 #31

informative thread. I have another viewpoint to share because I know nothing about this situation. libdem4life Feb 2014 #35

No -- sometimes things get worse. Witness Iraq; witness the mafia state of Kosovo; etc. El_Johns Feb 2014 #50

Indeed. In fact most of the time. I was trying not to be hyperbolic. libdem4life Feb 2014 #73

"Manifest Destiny has been re-directed to the entire globe." factsarenotfair Feb 2014 #51

Thanks for sharing your perspective. MadrasT Feb 2014 #39

Interesting. Thanks. (no text) Quantess Feb 2014 #41

There is a lot of mis information out there... Xolodno Feb 2014 #42

Thank you for the backgrounder. El_Johns Feb 2014 #44

Well done... MysticHuman Feb 2014 #46

Matt I do hope you do not mind I copy paste, for reading at leisure nadinbrzezinski Feb 2014 #49

I'm not sure I would classify it as a revolution, not in the classical sense... MattSh Feb 2014 #60

Kicked and rec'd Bennyboy Feb 2014 #52

Oh, there's definitely a strong anti-Yanukovich thing going on... MattSh Feb 2014 #61

Excellent work thanks Bennyboy Feb 2014 #62

Thanks for sharing 2naSalit Feb 2014 #54

One thing is missing from this, the truth that Progressive dog Feb 2014 #57

Thank you, another one of our and our Western Imperial Allies' 'proxy wars'. Hillary explained it sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #58

From CNN and please read the comments Bennyboy Feb 2014 #63

You're ignoring the elephant in the room of ethnic Ukranian nationalism. Spider Jerusalem Feb 2014 #64

Yeah, because partition works so well, see Yugoslavia. JackRiddler Feb 2014 #71

People without the proper context are misreading the EU issue. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #70

I think ultimately there is no ONE reason people are getting involved, and Blue_Tires Feb 2014 #74

Thanks for this thread gwheezie Feb 2014 #78

+1 truebrit71 Feb 2014 #79