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ProgressiveProfessor

(22,144 posts)
17. You are incorrect in your points
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 07:58 PM
Mar 2012
Where do you think a law like "Stand your ground" comes from?

Questionable prosecutions for not retreating were the cited cause.

What kind of person would want it to exist?

Those who understand that being second guessed by people not there and often with little similar experience over action taken in a potentially life and death is not particularly helpful. In other words DAs who have never been mugged telling someone who just has been what they should have done.

Given the underlying fears and prejudices that exist in our society, from whom is the stand-your-grounder supposed to be protecting themselves from?

Legitimate self defense has nothing to do with fears and prejudices.

That law is simply Carte Blanche for people to shoot others that piss them off. The vast majority of people shot were unarmed, that's a fact.

Stand Your Ground has NOTHING to do with if deadly force was appropriate in any given circumstance. Those statutes remained unchanged, requiring a reasonable fear of great bodily injury or death.

What is the basis for your claim that "vast majority of people shot were unarmed"?

Add fear, prejudice and happy trigger fingers without consequence and you'll end up with dead people, killed for no reason at all.

Fear and prejudice have killed a lot of people over the centuries, firearms are one of many methods. There are serious consequences for killing without a legally justified reason, as I hope Zimmerman soon finds out.



Stand Your Ground is not the real issue here. It is just noise and nonsense. The key point is whether or not Zimmerman had reasonable fear of GBI or death. I cannot see how that can be true, based on what has been released so far.
It hasn't yet been proven that either the 'stand your ground' law, or overt racism was the main sikorsky Mar 2012 #1
NOTHING has been proved, true, because ... SamG Mar 2012 #2
But your conclusion denies your premise (that we don't yet know. Isn't that confusing?) sikorsky Mar 2012 #3
My "conclusion" ? That we are OUTRAGED ! SamG Mar 2012 #31
Um, it kinda has... Taverner Mar 2012 #4
"Stand your ground" is also the reason the killer wasn't taken in and questioned n/t arcane1 Mar 2012 #5
I believe he was handcuffed, taken to the station and questioned, *then* released. n/t X_Digger Mar 2012 #8
Good, I missed that part arcane1 Mar 2012 #9
Factually incorrect ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #14
Yep, X_Digger corrected me earlier arcane1 Mar 2012 #30
No it does not. If you think that, you do not understand the law. sikorsky Mar 2012 #6
What the law says, and how the public interpret it are two different things Taverner Mar 2012 #12
Anyone who has taken FL firearms training knows better ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #15
You're correct...I don't respect the laws that say I can't marry my partner. sikorsky Mar 2012 #16
Obviously you're not getting my point MrScorpio Mar 2012 #7
Anyone who can look at the facts we know in this case: 1) The shooter was a self appointed Vincardog Mar 2012 #13
You are incorrect in your points ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #17
I'd like to see some examples of "questionable prosecution." Hoyt Mar 2012 #23
Obviously, there's a difference of opinion here MrScorpio Mar 2012 #25
I had no idea that Stand Your Ground laws were ALEC sponsored. shcrane71 Mar 2012 #32
I'm certainly inclined to think Trayvon would like to have had the -option- to exercise it. sikorsky Mar 2012 #18
Oh… So, you're saying that he shouldn't have brought Skittles to a gun fight, right? MrScorpio Mar 2012 #21
I won't laugh because you might actually be serious. sikorsky Mar 2012 #22
So what *were* you saying then? Chorophyll Mar 2012 #34
Exactly, that's the NRA's dream dmkinsey Mar 2012 #36
It strangely reminds me of the Soviet NKVD under Beria Taverner Mar 2012 #28
By the preponderance of the available evidence, it has. baldguy Mar 2012 #27
I hope something good can come out of this tragedy. siligut Mar 2012 #10
So very, very true -- Hell Hath No Fury Mar 2012 #11
Chilling. n/t EmeraldCityGrl Mar 2012 #20
Taking a huge risk to post this here sikorsky Mar 2012 #19
Not sure I fully understand your point... EmeraldCityGrl Mar 2012 #24
I didn't explain it well at all because I didn't differentiate between tawdry and unlawful acts. sikorsky Mar 2012 #26
To set your mind at ease... MrScorpio Mar 2012 #29
Very well said, MrScorpio. Chorophyll Mar 2012 #33
This tragic incident has forced this country to examine itself lunatica Mar 2012 #35
Open carry is better than concealed carry; people with guns should not grapple with others. FarCenter Mar 2012 #37
Thanks. This is a thought-provoking post. shcrane71 Mar 2012 #38
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